This kind of thing has to stop...

Guys guys guys.

I am a senior moderator at a website no one give a shit about.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

Just type　おはよ　when you join.

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I think for most people that will have to say "just copy paste おはよ" lol only a few would know how to type that - and of those who know, less would actually have it set.

What does it mean, and how do I know it's not a trap?

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I think for most people that will have to say "just copy paste おはよ" lol only a few would know how to type that - and of those who know, less would actually have it set.

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Its not always morning.

and おはようございます　would be better

even better, よろしくおねがいします, or よろしくー

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

What does it mean, and how do I know it's not a trap?

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its spelled wrong anyways

Unfortunately there is really nothing that SE, GMs or any authority can do about this.

The best we can do is...

1. Accept that we do not live in a perfect or necessarily even a fair world, and there are close-minded people in every society.

2. Know that they are also foolishly depriving themselves of the opportunity for friendship and the good experiences that can come out of mixed language parties.

3. Not give up.

4. And when you do get into Japanese parties (or any party for that matter):
- Be respectful, helpful, and courteous.
- Set a good example that will hopefully leave a lasting positive impression so they will want to play with you again.

It's morning for you though, you're not saying it to pretend to be JP, just to pretend to understand JP (a little).

Also why it is misspelled. That way, if you are a bit slow or someone in the party speaks some english, they can help you out. All you have to do is get in the door.

Yorosiku is better than goodmorning

People have the right choose who they party with. Stop being uptight about it and party with people you like.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

It's morning for you though, you're not saying it to pretend to be JP, just to pretend to understand JP (a little).

Also why it is misspelled. That way, if you are a bit slow or someone in the party speaks some english, they can help you out. All you have to do is get in the door.

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Could at least add the う at the end >.>. just one extra letter/character will make it all better.

SE Said that 2.0 would support Player Add-ons correct? Would it be possible to create an automatic translation Add-on? Would love to see something like that.

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Originally Posted by Enyce

SE Said that 2.0 would support Player Add-ons correct? Would it be possible to create an automatic translation Add-on? Would love to see something like that.

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Would be the best add-on to make.

Well it can be done already... Logs from the game can be read. Then it's only a matter of having the logs being translated in real time by Google or w/e other instant translation service you want to use.

This process is already heavily used for non-Japanese speakers so they can "enjoy" their Visual Novels.

AGTH + Translation Aggregator does the trick. For XIV, AGTH is not even needed.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

Guys guys guys.

I am a senior moderator at a website no one give a shit about.

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I have 8 billion posts and don't even play the game, but my opinion is above all.

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Originally Posted by Antipika

Well it can be done already... Logs from the game can be read. Then it's only a matter of having the logs being translated in real time by Google or w/e other instant translation service you want to use.

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Sure, but I mean, is it even worth it? If someone tells me JP ONLY I'd rather just not play with them and save both of us the hassle of auto translations and misunderstandings.

I won't take it personally or cry about it on the forums and get on with my day.

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Originally Posted by Enyce

SE Said that 2.0 would support Player Add-ons correct? Would it be possible to create an automatic translation Add-on? Would love to see something like that.

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Entirely possible, the problem is it could take awhile to make because it would need a huge dictionary to work efficiantly, I really hope someone does make one, so I hit a button that says JP, I type English, and it translates to Japanese, depending on the scope of the add-ons, it could even see what language your game is and translate accordingly, so you have a JP, EN, GR, FR players in a party, you just type "Melee stand at his back, and move when cracks appear" it would then translate it into all languages and send the correct translations to the correct players.

This however will take a long time to make with all the different dictionaries used but it will be a huge help to all of us.

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Originally Posted by Colino

Sure, but I mean, is it even worth it? If someone tells me JP ONLY I'd rather just not play with them and save both of us the hassle of auto translations and misunderstandings.

I won't take it personally or cry about it on the forums and get on with my day.

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Oh I know it doesn't worth it, it's just an answer to people thinking they need a special add-on for that.

The game already export the log in an easily readable format, so that's not hard :)

There is already a stand-alone that takes FFXIV log and translates it using google translator. Someone could put that into in-game addon form.

If only I knew what that standalone was called...

You have to consider variables in parties that is one-language-only situation.

When you think of events like Garuda fights, United we Stand or To Kill a Raven, there's constant changes in strategies/ roles for players. Unless you can convince a JP party you understand your role(have more than one job) and have experience in the battle, they'll kick ya!

You might have to take into consideration that maybe JP prefer voice chat servers like Ventrilo or Team Speak when doing events. There's no other quicker form of communication than that.

Yes there is already a google translate from log. If the addons are powerful enough that creator has plans to make an official addon when its possible - so lets hope SE gives them the power (also hope there is some way to only allow addons you trust to access the net, otherwise I could see some evil addons in our future...)

Also we could really make do with what we have now if SE only added a strategy auto translate section and fill in the blank translates.

[ if boss casts ____ then, _______ ] Would get people so far. In 2.0 it would be easier to implement a smooth fill in the blank.
I imagine the only way in 1.0 would be to have the auto translate sentence and then send it two parameters like [ if _ then _ ] ([dogs fall], [its raining])

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

You have to consider variables in parties that is one-language-only situation.

When you think of events like Garuda fights, United we Stand or To Kill a Raven, there's constant changes in strategies/ roles for players. Unless you can convince a JP party you understand your role(have more than one job) and have experience in the battle, they'll kick ya!

You might have to take into consideration that maybe JP prefer voice chat servers like Ventrilo or Team Speak when doing events. There's no other quicker form of communication than that.

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I dont know any of my friends using Voice chat services for this game. They have macros set up for certain things that happen in boss fights. And dungeon runs and strategies are explained with nice pictures in blogs

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Originally Posted by Reika

I dont know any of my friends using Voice chat services for this game. They have macros set up for know any of my friends using Voice chat services for this game. They have macros set up for certain things that happen in boss fights. And dungeon runs and strategies are explained with nice pictures in blogs

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My whole LS uses mumble, it makes everything so much easier, like on the fly strat changes, long events where there's just too much info to go through at the start, warning party members of things while running etc etc etc I could go on.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

My whole LS uses mumble, it makes everything so much easier, like on the fly strat changes, long events where there's just too much info to go through at the start, warning party members of things while running etc etc etc I could go on.

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We're talking JP friends here. And its better if you just learn what to do without every instruction being called out to you . . .

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Originally Posted by Reika

I dont know any of my friends using Voice chat services for this game. They have macros set up for know any of my friends using Voice chat services for this game. They have macros set up for certain things that happen in boss fights. And dungeon runs and strategies are explained with nice pictures in blogs

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Same here. I am only in Japanese Linkshells and none of us use voice chat. We use the chat log and macros for certain events just as your friends do.

The other day I saw someone shouting in Ul'dah about forming a party, and he said English-only. Other people proceeded to call him a racist even though I'm pretty sure they were just being sarcastic trolls.

Point is, it's not just restricted to Japanese people doing this sort of thing.. however, I for one am not bothered by it at all. The Auto-Translate system is dodgy at best, with only very basic communication possible. If given the chance, I would jump at a party that was English-only.. sorry if that is upsetting to people or what have you, but I enjoy just being able to type and have other people understand what I'm saying. I'm sure the Japanese feel similar, we're all just human after all.

What I hate is when I get purely auto-translated party invites randomly when I'm out on my WHM, they contain what must be half of the auto-translate words in the entire dictionary sometimes.. it makes me nervous and sometimes I ignore them outright because I'm afraid the person doesn't speak any English. Someone mentioned a few pages in that they like the way shouts "look" with the neat and colored brackets.. well trust me, there's a better chance of convincing me to party or help you or what have you if you just speak English.

I guess it's unfortunate if you're playing at a time of day where your language group isn't prevalent, but ultimately I just don't see an issue with people wanting to party with their own language group, and there still should be parties available out there where people are mingling so I don't think it should be any sweat off people's back.

I would never go out in World of Warcraft and party with a bunch of people I couldn't communicate with extensively (even if there was a basic auto-translate function), so maybe that impacts the way I see it. I just want to be able to speak to the other people I play with, I don't think that's entirely unreasonable.

hahahah i love how people defend A-holes that kick people like this. i LOVE ARR because i will never have to go through this again. Good luck people cause i wont need it.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

I actually was kicked, a few minutes ago, by someone doing a moogle pug. I was invited, I said "Hello" in auto translate. They ask "Can you speak japanese?" I reply "I'm sorry no." Without another word, I was booted. No "I'm sorry, JP only" or anything..just...bam...booted. It's incredibly annoying and frustrating for NA players that play late nights.

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Sometimes you dont need to talk about anything, especially for moogles, even if they dont say the killing order to be done, one with 3 fingers in his forehead would attack whatever everyone is attacking, and at this points theres only just a few ppl that doesnt know what to do.

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Originally Posted by elreed

Sometimes you dont need to talk about anything, especially for moogles, even if they dont say the killing order to be done, one with 3 fingers in his forehead would attack whatever everyone is attacking, and at this points theres only just a few ppl that doesnt know what to do.

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Thats how I do JP parties, how'd you guess?

He should have said Yes, or just /yes emote and go about his business.

A majority of ppl love playing with ppl from other regions. Theres just a select few ppl that are racist......... regionicst..... nationalist? something.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Honestly, it's causing quite a lot of problems on my server for the late night EN players. Being declined or kicked from parties, not based on our gear, skill or ability to just play the game, but because some people are too lazy to use the auto translate....http://i46.tinypic.com/25z02lk.png

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sorry cant see the image from work, what content was it? for normal everyday content I would agree with you, for stuff like Garuda though a language barrier can really hurt your chances at success.

Just throwing this in here that I just saw (can't be bothered editing names out)

People never, I say never single people out over jobs for something like SB parties do they.... OH OH and I have proof this would never happen.

http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/a.../warriorOo.jpg

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Originally Posted by Krausus

sorry cant see the image from work, what content was it? for normal everyday content I would agree with you, for stuff like Garuda though a language barrier can really hurt your chances at success.

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Natalan SB party r45-50

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Natalan SB party r45-50

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uhhhg yeah that blows

I find it funny how people are calling ALL Japanese players racist because some of them prefer to play with people who speak Japanese but don't seem to realize that they themselves are being racist in the process. JP in "JP Only" usually refers to language and not race so its not racist, that being said there are racist players in the game but its not limited to jp players. No one is required to play with people they don't want to, everyone has the right to choose who they play with. I have been in JP groups where the players are extremely nice and have no problem with NA long as they know what they are doing, and at the same time i have come across players who have a issue with me because im NA even though i can speak Japanese just fine. Those that have an issue are 1/100 and that's fine, if u travel as much as me, u know racism exits in every part of the world.

Its not just the JP community that are picky with who they invite though, i have been in many NA groups that won't invite FR players even if they speak perfect English. I asked once why he doesn't want to invite that person, and was told because all FR are bad players and he doesn't want to wipe. There was a NA group that kicked me because of a LS i have a pearl to or one who kicked me because i waved to a friend who the PT leader had an issue with. I find these reasons a lot more petty then wanting to communicate with the party.

Just the other day joined to help with BRD AF fight, only 1 person needed the fight and just as it filled up 2 other people who needed the fight asked to join and some of us offered to drop, but the leader just ported to DH and said he doesn't want to invite them. The leader in this pt thought about his own convenience, he had 8/8 so he didn't care if others needed the quest done or not but if a JP player thinks about his own convenience then suddenly that's a big issue.

Do you honestly believe that if servers were region locked, everyone on your server is gonna suddenly want to play with everyone else? I mean even now i'm in PTs where they won't invite someone else even if they speak the same language. My endgame shell would rather waste an entire day doing nothing rather then invite a pug to fill a 7/8 pt, even if the pug player is skilled. If u played different MMOs u should know this, PT shouts will just have different criteria, and other petty reasons why they won't take you even if you can enter the fight.

I personally hope the servers don't get region locked, i have friends from all over the world and it would be a shame to not be able to play with them because of petty people.

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Originally Posted by Shura

...JP in "JP Only" usually refers to language...

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This is more of an observation more than anything else, but it's rather silly to follow a long sentence written in Japanese with only two English words. As a reasonably intelligent human being, if you're shouting in all Japanese, I get you want JP ONLY. It's the equivalent of me shouting in Ul'dah but tacking the equivalent to "English Only" in Japanese at the end.

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Originally Posted by Breladine

What I hate is when I get purely auto-translated party invites randomly when I'm out on my WHM, they contain what must be half of the auto-translate words in the entire dictionary sometimes.. it makes me nervous and sometimes I ignore them outright because I'm afraid the person doesn't speak any English.

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A lot of times it's actually English speaking people that use the full auto-translated phrases, probably because they're unsure whether they're messaging someone that speaks English or not. I think I've only ever once gotten an auto-translated message from a Japanese person inviting me to a party.

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Originally Posted by normalforce

This is more of an observation more than anything else, but it's rather silly to follow a long sentence written in Japanese with only two English words. As a reasonably intelligent human being, if you're shouting in all Japanese, I get you want JP ONLY. It's the equivalent of me shouting in Ul'dah but tacking the equivalent to "English Only" in Japanese at the end.

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Some people are rather persistent and will try anything they can to get into a group if it's something they need. They're just trying to make it clear that they don't want anyone in their party that can't understand Japanese.

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This is more of an observation more than anything else, but it's rather silly to follow a long sentence written in Japanese with only two English words. As a reasonably intelligent human being, if you're shouting in all Japanese, I get you want JP ONLY. It's the equivalent of me shouting in Ul'dah but tacking the equivalent to "English Only" in Japanese at the end.

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But some lonely JP might need a party. :(

I've joined plenty of JP groups, even a couple that said JP only. Learn some basic JP or find a translator. As long as you know your stuff and try to communicate with them they don't mind. How would you feel if you were trying to explain tactics and loot system to someone who had no idea what you were saying?

Just think, when NA players can pick up group any content in the game you can start saying "NA Only!".

It won't stop.
Get used to it.

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Originally Posted by Riv

Just think, when NA players can pick up group any content in the game you can start saying "NA Only!".

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lol is this how it is on every server? Most skilled NA players who have relics, and have the skills to beat any kind of content, are already in established LS's and they never join or start pickups. Joining a NA pickup for Anything besides AF, Ifrit, Mog, Skirmish, hamlet, XP PT, is like asking to use up all your G5.
On the other hand JP's in established ls's do shout pt's for everything, including ex ifrit, 17ta, raven hard.

Maybe when NA players stop being terrible at this game, real people will want to group with us.