Modders did it to themselves

Healer outrage started back in Stormblood, because for anyone that mained the role the writing was on the wall for homogenization and loss of class identity.

In truth, I think it's pretty absurd to have over two hundred thousand players using an extremely convenient third-party mod facilitated by an equally convenient third-party tool, that's prolifically normalised and accepted to the point it just becomes common knowledge, and also expect people not to spill the tea. There are already numerous popular (and not so popular) forks of the mod in question being bandied around ad nauseum, with Discord servers in the thousands of users... so, yeah, no lessons on discretion really learned here, or heck, 'mod safety', or whatever.

Personally, I used to be very averse to the idea of mods, up until just late-game Endwalker when I developed a more accepting attitude towards them because they have the potential to improve the overall experience of the game.

For every mutant or fan of the playground out there, there's a lot more people simply enjoying a nicer looking hair cut, a thicker beard, additional body scars, etcetera. And for every mod out there that someone might dislike or find to be at odds with immersion, there are... countless that folks will doubtlessly enjoy.

I genuinely think that 99% of the time, paid mods are a large no no, but I also don't like monthly subscription based MMORPGs cash locking some of their most awesome content behind further pay walls.

When it comes to... player safeguarding, particularly where minors are concerned, it falls to people to be personally responsible, and I take great issue with people shamelessly linking randoms to carrd profiles brimming with either warped edits or pure, more often -far- from vanilla bits of smut. It's largely a problem that boils down to individual discretion, and of course, supervision.

Thankfully, data suggests that an overwhelming number of players are 18+, and that the game typically doesn't appeal to younger folks, and that applies to this genre of MMORPG across the board. Nearly every community you'll find in game has pretty strict restrictions about being aimed at 18+, with corresponding Discord servers, that, -game not withstanding-, often have at least one explicit NSFW channel. (I don't really get it but whatever)

My hottest take, largely, is that Square Enix moderation is pretty 'meh' across the board, and moderators were -definitely- not taking pro-active action anywhere near as much as they should be doing. You cannot convince people that discretion is required unless they see real consequences for their actions being routinely executed. You cannot expect everyone, in a group that numbers in the hundreds of thousands, to comprehend the importance of 'fight club', if there is no consequence for blabbing about fight club. And people, who're still screaming in shout chat about every fork out here, have not learned a thing, because they do not comprehend the broader consequences for the modding community. Even after having their favourite toy taken away.

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Originally Posted by Clerith

A YouTuber recently showed what the game looked like with Mare and Synchshells.
And it's just as Mare's creator admitted: "A lot of it is absolutely disgusting and problematic — to the point where he openly said he's lost some faith in humanity"—
and that can absolutely ruin the fun and perspective on the game for many.

It also showed, that neither the players' appearances nor their emotes can be trusted to be what you see, and that's just a very bad feeling/realization to have.
You're constantly questioning what you're seeing and don't want to sit next to characters you don't know.
And that, in turn, destroys the immersion enormously.

And not only that, but players can also "abuse" other players' characters and their minions and post screenshots of their actions on Discord.
Or you might be invited to an in-game wedding and later find out that everyone except you was naked.
And let's not pretend that only Rohblox has a problem with groomers/stalkers.
18+ clubs are openly advertised. There is no age verification for these things, and the game is rated 12+ in my country.
This means that the game simply cannot be safely recommended to minors – which also leads to fewer players (of the good kind) and sales.

That aside, Mods also affect the store in more than just one way.
Many people will tell you, that they only purchased something because they saw a modified version of it.
However, the ability to change appearance and races at any time through mods also leads to a loss of sales.

Both approaches, in turn, lead to a loss of players and money.
But only one approach is morally correct (to me at least).
And if nothing changes, then the game should definitely be given an "18+" age rating in every country.

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I don't really care how other people are doing up their characters with mods any more than I care how they dress up using in-game items. Which I might add, there's a number of official items that could be deemed "problematic" due to how skimpy they are, and then there's always been that discourse where some people think items SHOULD be gendered locked because they don't want to see males in female clothing, or even think females should ALWAYS be in skirts/dresses. I'm also pretty sure "immersion" was destroyed when they let us fight in bikinis/speedos and mascot outfits, to say nothing of the current complaints over fantasy versus sci-fi versus modern glamour design.

It's not like "abuse" with emotes and the like isn't possible without using mods either. I've had on at least three occasions where some random male character (all Au Ra for some reason) ran up behind my character and did some kind of shout/screaming emote that made it look like they were humping up into my female character, which I'm not even sure is report-worthy (so I didn't try) because its someone using in-game things Square-Enix provided them and not a third-party tool (and it's not like they said anything crass in the chat either in case anyone thinks they could have been smacked for that). If they were using a mod to make their emote even more crude while posting screenshots of it somewhere else, I would literally have no way of knowing, so worrying about it would be exhausting and futile.

And the game is already "not safe for children" when the first dungeon you can do in the entire game at level 15 literally has a prison cell where pirates keep their kidnapped and raped victims. So if we're playing that card, Square-Enix needs to go back and scrub a lot of glamours and dialogue from their own game before they start wagging fingers at "inappropriate" content coming in from third parties and that arguably, children shouldn't be playing this game in the first place when the game its self will shout such kid-friendly things like "kill the men, take the women" at them.

I have a question. Is it really necessary to do something that is prohibited by the terms of use? You agree to the terms of use when you play the game, so if you want to use mods, you shouldn't agree to them in the first place.

People who use mods that are far removed from FFXIV characters or engage in sexual acts in-game don't need to do that in FFXIV, right?
Why not just do it in SIMS or VR chat?

If you say, "My identity is..." the answer is, "Then express it somewhere else. This is not the place to express your identity."

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Originally Posted by Andras63

I have a question. Is it really necessary to do something that is prohibited by the terms of use? You agree to the terms of use when you play the game, so if you want to use mods, you shouldn't agree to them in the first place.

People who use mods that are far removed from FFXIV characters or engage in sexual acts in-game don't need to do that in FFXIV, right?
Why not just do it in SIMS or VR chat?

If you say, "My identity is..." the answer is, "Then express it somewhere else. This is not the place to express your identity."

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you realize engaging in sexual acts before mare was thing right? they used in game emotes. I remember when posts were crying about the push up emote being used all over the place. for real go touch some grass. You're alwasy going to find bad things every where. this stuff this modding lewd stuff has been around since ffxi....

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

you realize engaging in sexual acts before mare was thing right? they used in game emotes. I remember when posts were crying about the push up emote being used all over the place. for real go touch some grass. You're alwasy going to find bad things every where. this stuff this modding lewd stuff has been around since ffxi....

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There are romantic elements in the game, so I can understand the ending, but doing it in public or posting it on social media seems a bit perverted...

That said, you can't take off your underwear or have sex in the game, so I don't think it's a problem as long as you don't overuse emotes.
*Engaging in sexual acts or sexual chat in public is a violation of the Terms of Use, even if you are not using a mod.

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Originally Posted by Andras63

There are romantic elements in the game, so I can understand the ending, but doing it in public or posting it on social media seems a bit perverted...

That said, you can't take off your underwear or have sex in the game, so I don't think it's a problem as long as you don't overuse emotes.
*Engaging in sexual acts or sexual chat in public is a violation of the Terms of Use, even if you are not using a mod.

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you would be surprised what people did before that third party tool came along with the push up, squat emotes. but as someone said in game, its mostly for clout, the updoots, upvotes, likes and such.

This was as bad when adventure plates became a thing. people posing in highly sexual suggestive ways lol.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...5eb456d2183251

Welp we got our official answer: Optics and they're mad people were wearing Mogstation glamour without paying for it.

I have a hunch their investors are breathing down their neck as to why their revenue is dropping so hard, so they're grasping at straws and Mare became the scapgoat.
Personally, if I was unhappy with the money my product was making, I'd alter my product into being one people want to stay subscribed to and keep playing. Mods definitely cost SE some money sure.
But I bet its pennies compared to the amount of lost money caused by their burnt good will and Post Endwalker - Dawntrail.

"p-pwease buy more from the cash shop or we might have to incwease the sub price"

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Originally Posted by Oizen

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...5eb456d2183251

Welp we got our official answer: Optics and they're mad people were wearing Mogstation glamour without paying for it.

I have a hunch their investors are breathing down their neck as to why their revenue is dropping so hard, so they're grasping at straws and Mare became the scapgoat.
Personally, if I was unhappy with the money my product was making, I'd alter my product into being one people want to stay subscribed to and keep playing. Mods definitely cost SE some money sure.
But I bet its pennies compared to the amount of lost money caused by their burnt good will and Post Endwalker - Dawntrail.

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No they was mad at people SHARING the glamour that people hadnt earned/paid for etc. Also due to new UK laws. This is why they said share the article instead of cherry picking comments.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

No they was mad at people SHARING the glamour that people hadnt earned/paid for etc. Also due to new UK laws. This is why they said share the article instead of cherry picking comments.

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Sure but if they think thats the reason Dawntrail lost so much revenue...lmao

Sure go ahead and chase it, delete the mods I don't care.
You're not getting those sales you used to have, and this reason they decided to fixate on isn't why.

I genuinely appreciate the official response. I have my issues with the game, but I still highly respect Yoshida as a developer, and our producer.

Reading this, and from the video interview with the Mare dev that someone else posted, I think both Yoshi-P and the dev regret what Syncshells became.

I also love that Yoshi has to encourage the TOS because of his position, but is not an idiot about mods, which I would definitely never use because they're illegal :)

In short: Wanna use mods? Don't be a fucking dumbass about it.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...5eb456d2183251

Welp we got our official answer: Optics and they're mad people were wearing Mogstation glamour without paying for it.

I have a hunch their investors are breathing down their neck as to why their revenue is dropping so hard, so they're grasping at straws and Mare became the scapgoat.
Personally, if I was unhappy with the money my product was making, I'd alter my product into being one people want to stay subscribed to and keep playing. Mods definitely cost SE some money sure.
But I bet its pennies compared to the amount of lost money caused by their burnt good will and Post Endwalker - Dawntrail.

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I wonder if that means if someone made a similar mod but blocked out people seeing cash shop gear and ultimate raid weapons that in theory they'd have no problem with it. I find it pretty odd that they're blaming it for lack of money coming in, when if anything this will likely hurt subscriptions which will effect them even more down the line.

frankly the reason why the cash shop isn't doing as well is because theirs not been much of good quality from my perspective, the raid weapons doesn't really make much sense to me either. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't this thing for friends only? why would anyone care that they can see a friend with a fake ultimate weapon.

Lastly the censorship getting stricter would make sense if this changed anything at all... like no this will not prevent that sort of stuff.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...5eb456d2183251Welp we got our official answer: Optics and they're mad people were wearing Mogstation glamour without paying for it.

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This seems disingenuous to me. You even ignored the part about laws, and people sharing their private screenshots publicly on social media.

It's like no one read it, and is blaming cash shop.

It's just the same as it's been for years. Quit posting about them, quit sharing pictures of them all over the place, etc etc.

People seem to be hyperfixiating on the mogstation aspect when he listed like 3 other reasons as well.

I think his response was a good one. Concise and explained things well without attack anyone. The mentions of laws is also a big role in it as well, as he stated; not just in the UK, but many states in the US as well have similar laws.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

Lastly the censorship getting stricter would make sense if this changed anything at all... like no this will not prevent that sort of stuff.

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Sorry for a double post, but Square has a duty as the owner of the FFXIV to do their best to ensure that the game isn't being used to distribute 18+ material--even if that material isn't from Square themselves. Go complain to several governments if you have an issue with that; it's an issue far out of Square's hands. Unless you want them to go the route of some corn sites and just stop allowing access to the game in certain regions?

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

No they was mad at people SHARING the glamour that people hadnt earned/paid for etc. Also due to new UK laws. This is why they said share the article instead of cherry picking comments.

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you are making a bold assumption. Until they flatout say it was the case we have to assume there is still more. because if that was the case, they would do a c&d with nexusmods because you can do the same thing without the use of third party tools. Its more and likely, mogstore taking a hit in revenue and people just being dumb and posting and sharing on social media on them wearing said mod mogsttore items without paying for it. The game itself doesn't provide mods, and any half ass corp attorney can fight and win against. SE wouldn't worry about having Steam pull it off.

If anything this would be a case against those that provided the plug in and base program that does it. This was to serve as warning to those that make mods and to those that use them. To stop circumventing the mogshop and stop for them to stop being dumb and posting it everywhere about the mods they use. Its going to a repeat of TOP and DSR again where people start reporting the slightest visual of a third party program.

I think it was more about the account ID linking and sharing thing, which was a big fucking issue we all, rightly, freaked out on SE about being used to trace and stalk players in another mod tools and that SE were dragging their feet on correcting.

But no one can stop talking about the gooners or cash glams long enough to talk about that being a likely factor as to why Mare was nuked.

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

I think it was more about the account ID linking and sharing thing, which was a big fucking issue we all, rightly, freaked out on SE about being used to trace and stalk players in another mod tools and that SE were dragging their feet on correcting.

But no one can stop talking about the gooners or cash glams long enough to talk about that being a likely factor as to why Mare was nuked.

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Which ironically is the one thing he didn't mention in the announcement since he didn't want to name drop any specific mod. :x

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

In short: Wanna use mods? Don't be a fucking dumbass about it.

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Rules are the rules. Otherwise, freaking anarchy over here.

Thing is, devs are stuck in the middle. Don’t enforce TOS, then that would open a floodgate to what is permissible. Enforce it too much, then people would call them heartless. It’s like being a referee during a fight at a game - ignore it and chaos erupts, blow the whistle and everyone thinks you hate fun.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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Originally Posted by Elephantality

This seems disingenuous to me. You even ignored the part about laws, and people sharing their private screenshots publicly on social media.

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Fair, but to elaborate the laws part I get and I don't even have issue with, I also get the Optics part, googling FFXIV and coming up with a porn game is very strange.

I take issue solely with the Mogstation/Cost aspect. It feels like they more or less told us the game shuts down without the Mogstation, at least it feels heavily implied.
In his words this causes "damage to the services they provide".

And I even can agree with this and see his point, but then my brain immediately remembers this is the man who greenlit Dawntrail. Something that has caused far more damage to the services they provide than this drama, thats all.

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

you are making a bold assumption. Until they flatout say it was the case we have to assume there is still more. because if that was the case, they would do a c&d with nexusmods because you can do the same thing without the use of third party tools. Its more and likely, mogstore taking a hit in revenue and people just being dumb and posting and sharing on social media on them wearing said mod mogsttore items without paying for it. The game itself doesn't provide mods, and any half ass corp attorney can fight and win against. SE wouldn't worry about having Steam pull it off.

If anything this would be a case against those that provided the plug in and base program that does it. This was to serve as warning to those that make mods and to those that use them. To stop circumventing the mogshop and stop for them to stop being dumb and posting it everywhere about the mods they use. Its going to a repeat of TOP and DSR again where people start reporting the slightest visual of a third party program.

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Lol where's the assumption it's in the statement along with many other reasons

The demands seem to be pretty clear.

1. Do not get around things rewarded for achievements in the game, and honestly, it's really fair. FF14 as a community might be nice to sprouts, but it is terrible for rewarding and encouraging people who achieve high level or "Hardcore" content. More often than not, you learn about the insecurities people have quickly.

2. Do not get around the cash shop items since people pay good money for those things, and that is also fair. Stop having your cake and eating it, too.

3. Do not post the things that are NSFW publicly on social media; this is also fair, and lots of content creators are guilty of passing around the freakshow to the normies.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Lol where's the assumption it's in the statement along with many other reasons

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he made no mention of UK laws, a blanket law statement does not equate to the UK. Point out exactly where he said the action was on UK Law inconjuction with everything else. Even in the list before he started he said its theoretical examples. You can infer it was UK law but until they say otherwise its an assumption no matter how much you want it to be true. There are laws of this sort in other countries where the game is sold and those laws been around well before this. The bottom line is people still are going to goon their characters for those that goon, people are still going to post on their social media websites. You can take the tools away but honestly you don't need a third party tool to change out files. This is like back in the day .dat swapping in FFXI.


It's no secret FFXIV is not making the money like it did anymore and those earning were announced a few weeks ago. So it's easy to infer that people are definitely circumventing the shop and then you got people just getting access to the armors and such without clearing said content and that is pretty bad honestly. I think that's the biggest concern SE is mogstore.

As I said, its a warning to mod/plugin developers and mod users. Stop making mods to work around the cash shop and stop posting / streaming the game with third party mods enabled. Honestly, if they get caught after this, they need to be banned. But Im pretty sure we will be back in a year or two posting the same thing again lol

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

he made no mention of UK laws, a blanket law statement does not equate to the UK. Point out exactly where he said the action was on UK Law inconjuction with everything else. Even in the list before he started he said its theoretical examples. You can infer it was UK law but until they say otherwise its an assumption no matter how much you want it to be true. There are laws of this sort in other countries where the game is sold and those laws been around well before this. The bottom line is people still are going to goon their characters for those that goon, people are still going to post on their social media websites. You can take the tools away but honestly you don't need a third party tool to change out files. This is like back in the day .dat swapping in FFXI.

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I don't need to make an assumption when I can't even see a post on REDDIT that contains the 2B glam lol unless I enter my I.D But yes probably just a coincidence with it being added a few weeks ago.

lol we can say the same about you making an "assumption" about mogstation sales

But what we can see as 100% FACT is numbers have dropped.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

I genuinely appreciate the official response. I have my issues with the game, but I still highly respect Yoshida as a developer, and our producer.

Reading this, and from the video interview with the Mare dev that someone else posted, I think both Yoshi-P and the dev regret what Syncshells became.

I also love that Yoshi has to encourage the TOS because of his position, but is not an idiot about mods, which I would definitely never use because they're illegal :)

In short: Wanna use mods? Don't be a fucking dumbass about it.

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It was a really thoughtful response and he can see both sides. I truly appreciated it as well. Just think some ppl need to brush up on reading comprehension skills bc he said not to cherry pick and theyre still cherry picking

I will call this a win for modders. take that all you haters.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

I don't need to make an assumption when I can't even see a post on REDDIT that contains the 2B glam lol unless I enter my I.D But yes probably just a coincidence with it being added a few weeks ago.

lol we can say the same about you making an "assumption" about mogstation sales

But what we can see as 100% FACT is numbers have dropped.

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100% fact numbers have dropped. I just hope this kind of lights a fire under the devs. like they actually start focusing on putting out quality content and improving gameplay after this but the game sorely needs some tlc from the devs. I do hope they start looking in adding more customization options for characters. I was surprised to actually them but a draw distance for mobs and npcs last patch which was kind of nice so I got a little bit hope we may get something towards customization. Because if anything it shows modders will do what they need to keep themselves entertained for a subscription base game regardless if we agree with them or not.

Yoshi-P's statement to me literally just reads like how the stance has always been: We know you use them just shut the fuck up about them, just with them actually making some of the lines in the sand more obvious. Yet I have seen some people already somehow genuinely come to the conclusion after reading this statement that Yoshi-P just gave them the green light to both freely use and freely talk about any/all mods in-game as long as they don't infringe on any of the points he made.

Reading comprehension and FF14 really don't mix for some people and this really is the situation that keeps on giving.

Hopefully going forward we'll have personal accountability that is enforced you get reported for having your Mare code in you adventure plate acc warning again 3 day suspension until it is a perma ban.

you want to advertise your weird ERP club in public shout chat just like the gil bots perma ban.

this would have cleared the issue on the outset if word got out that these people openly breaking TOS were getting punished for it while people that were not openly doing it were fine there would have been no fallout to begin with..

but IDK I feel like the issue will still go on the people in our community are not the brightest screwdrivers in the drawer it's why the issue had such fallout in the 1st place. :)

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

I will call this a win for modders. take that all you haters.

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His statement was written as if he was addressing 4 year olds and you still didn't get it.

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

you would be surprised what people did before that third party tool came along with the push up, squat emotes. but as someone said in game, its mostly for clout, the updoots, upvotes, likes and such.

This was as bad when adventure plates became a thing. people posing in highly sexual suggestive ways lol.

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Well, if you can't control your reason or sexual desire, you should stop playing games and go see a psychiatrist.(´Д｀；)

I appreciate the desire for walking on eggshells, and the perspective of "I'm a gamer first and foremost". But the stance is not really tenable at all.

This update kind of seems like a nothing burger, aside from reinforcing their stance of arbitrary moderation of third party tools. Which is why it's effectively going to be 'nothing has changed', in a few weeks or months there will be something else which succeeds that which was C&D'd, and then it'll be square one again.

To link Yoshis statement only to players rather modding online store-only customs than actually purchasing them, hence SQEX losing money falls way you short imo.

I rather think this is the real reason behind cracking down on Mare
"Let's consider another theoretical mod: one that displays your character entirely naked. If this presentation is displayed only on the user's screen, that might fall into the category of personal use and responsibility. (Bear in mind that this is my personal interpretation, and not a discussion of whether that behavior is right or wrong.) However, if the user posts a screenshot of their naked character publicly on social media, FFXIV itself may be subject to legal measures by regulators in certain countries.

Laws that regulate the content of video games grow stricter by the year. These laws are there to protect minors and for a variety of other reasons, but the fact remains that they are tangibly becoming stricter. We have a duty to provide our services in adherence to the laws of all countries where FFXIV is available, and if we are unable to do so, the distribution of our game can be prohibited. This is another example of damage dealt to our services.

Allow me to repeat myself when I say that I do not intend for these examples to be a censure of mod users or creators. I only wish to provide some tangible examples of how using certain mods can damage other players, FFXIV, and the services we provide, regardless of the mod's original intent."

Let's be real here, putting in a few tags in Google easily leads to pictures of ML'd male and female Miqote players being butt naked with explicitly showing their private parts. No age restrictions on these pics nor is any age verification necessary to find that.
Imagine having a 12 yo begging you as the parent to allow them yo play FF14. You google the game and come across these porn pics. Would in all good conscience and common sense you really let your kid play this game?
I definitely wouldn't.

Also in EU the DSA is now cracking down on all kinds of gaming platforms and social media
https://www.gamesmarket.global/busin...a75d98b6ded35c

SQEX definitely can't afford to have their game and money making machine shut down in the EU cause they turn a blind eye to some 200k Mare user's and a bunch of idiots who -for the love of god- can't keep their porn-loving intentions to themselves and rather flood social media with this degenerated bs.

Do what you want in private or with equal friends but don't promote it outside the game and be the root for legal battles between EU regulators and SQEX.
IF the game has to shut down in EU due to that also the Mare lovers across the board will be in for a rough ride. Or would you pay a monthly sub of -let's say $50- to compensate the loss of earnings from EU players?
I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

I will call this a win for modders. take that all you haters.

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A win? It's a wakeup call to stop being an effing clown. Some players get temporary bans for having Mare in their info search.
People already advocate new mare openly in chats and acting butthurt cause SE took their favorite toy away.
If anything, this is some bad news. They will crack down anything if the community doesn't learn to shut the fuck up.
Gotta educate people man, what the fuck.

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Originally Posted by Aniise

His statement was written as if he was addressing 4 year olds and you still didn't get it.

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It's pretty hilarious, even the japanese players think it's a very polite, but sort of a explanation on a level of a child.

But this is probably the only way the western players can even remotely understand it.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

It's pretty hilarious, even the japanese players think it's a very polite, but sort of a explanation on a level of a child.

But this is probably the only way the western players can even remotely understand it.

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Correct. And as you can see by the post up above, even this didn't help.
Some people are a lost cause.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

It's pretty hilarious, even the japanese players think it's a very polite, but sort of a explanation on a level of a child.

But this is probably the only way the western players can even remotely understand it.

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And yet, some still miss the mark.

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Originally Posted by PactCommander

Imagine having a 12 yo begging you as the parent to allow them yo play FF14. You google the game and come across these porn pics. Would in all good conscience and common sense you really let your kid play this game?
I definitely wouldn't.

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Exactly. Your whole post was good.
I'm just referring to this part in the context of an earlier post, which stated that most players are over 18 anyway.
I mean, just because the game primarily appeals to adult players is no excuse for it being unsafe for minors if they are legally allowed to play it.

And it's also just plain stupid to excuse explicit mods by saying that even S.E. has included erotic items and suggestive emotes in the game.
Just because we have a few ways to express ourselves more privately (like getting married in-game) doesn't mean we should abandon common sense.

Sure, parents should show interest in what their children are playing. But if a game is rated 12+, they shouldn't be forced to constantly monitor it.
ERP clubs are openly advertised. Upon entry, you're asked if you have Discord and Mare. Things have gotten completely out of control.

The game has a heartwarming TV series about a boy / young adult playing FF14 with his dad and how it improved their relationship.
That's the FF14 image we should support - also for the sake of getting new players.
Yet I read so many comments here that deflect and argue just to make their in-game ERP addiction seem more justified. It's disgusting.