Stop forcing female clothes on me

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

I get it, more diversity means more happy players. I'm not against it, but I wish I had at least an option. It's insufferable to see certain outfits or even raid glamour created for female characters and just slapped onto males. I dont want to dress my character feminine, please give us better options. Thanks.

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Facts! I play a Male character not a female character.. I refuse to put a damn dress on my guy

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Originally Posted by Miguel85NYC

Facts! I play a Male character not a female character.. I refuse to put a damn dress on my guy

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Where did they ever force you to wear a dress tho? Are glamour prisms not affordable? Are you unable to use the MB to find other glams? Did you never do the glamour unlocking quest in ARR? Does the sight of other men wearing shorts, dresses, skirts, or robes deeply offend you in town, but you don't understand how Blacklisting works? Is there a lack of thousands of long pants and shirts in-game that it's not enough in 2025 for men?

The two faces of the FFXIV community:

"We shouldn't have gender restricted outfits! Why are you forcing these old and uninclusive ideas on me?! if I want to wear a dress/pants I should be able to! Fashion is the true endgame!"

"There are no male or female clothes, clothes are just clothes, if you don't like it, find something else and glam over it. No one is forcing you to wear anything."

I know it might be surprising, but we can hold more than 1 idea at the same time, even if some parts contradict one another about FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by CCheshire

I know it might be surprising, but we can hold more than 1 idea at the same time, even if some parts contradict one another about FFXIV.

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And that would make sense if you could figure out how to make grey from your arguments, but its always black or white depending on the question being asked.

As we have seen multiple times over the years "I don't want to be confined to gendered clothes, let me express myself freely" is met with pleas to the devs to make unisex or 2 versions of the outfits. But the seldom "I want to express myself, let me have clothes for my gender" posts we get on occasion is met with "no one is forcing you to dress that way, find something else to glam over it" which makes 0 sense since they have the same answer. That plea to make 2 versions or unisex versions should be the answer to both and would be if ppl were in any way aware of their own personal bias. So, yes you do hold more than one idea at a time, but its whichever idea most closely fits your personal narrative that gets the supportive, positive responce. Everyone else is met with hostility and needs to just deal while sometimes being labeled with really harsh titles even if their only intention was just wanting pants. Which was the same intention of the other question.

And considering that the shapes, styles and cuts of so many garments in this game are 100% made for the female form in mind, leaving ppl wanting more masculine clothing with a lot fewer options, the answer again is very obvious if you look at them subjectively.

Non-gendered clothes has unfortunately lead to the developers getting lazy with it and making female clothes and putting it on the men over and over again rather than making both a male and female set and making that equipable by both.

The FFXI Dancer set that we just got has a fantastic male version that we'll never see in XIV because they'd rather just put the girl one on men and call it a day. I find this sad because I prefer dressing my character in pants rather than skirts.

Anyway, I absolutely adore the new alliance raid aiming gear and I am incredibly grateful that it looks the same on both genders. It feels really bad when gear completely changes based on what gender you equip it on and it's one of the number one things I think they should stop doing altogether (I am condescendingly glancing at the new PVP pants. I'm so sad I can't wear those short on my male character; especially when I see other people modding them onto their male characters while I play on console).
In an ideal world they would release multiple versions of gear to cater to different aesthetics, however because they do not have the resources to do that, the next best thing they can do is alternate between aesthetics. They can’t make everyone happy all the time and I think people just need to accept that sometimes they are going to release a gear set you completely do not vibe with. I think the tanking gear from the new alliance raid is super ugly, but that’s fine. Someone likes it and not every piece of gear needs to adhere to my personal preference in fashion. At the end of the day I think all glam should be able to be equipped on everyone and look relatively the same on both genders. I think the new aiming gear looks amazing on my bunboy and I’m very happy about that.

2 different versions like we see with the dancer AF gear would fix that but then we have the bunny femboys screaming again.

Genderlocking gear isnt too bad. If someone has a problem with not being able to wear a bra on a bunny boy, then this person should maybe change to a female viera and roleplay as as male character instead of forcing feminine clothing on every male character.

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Originally Posted by YukioKobayashi

2 different versions like we see with the dancer AF gear would fix that but then we have the bunny femboys screaming again.

Genderlocking gear isnt too bad. If someone has a problem with not being able to wear a bra on a bunny boy, then this person should maybe change to a female viera and roleplay as as male character instead of forcing feminine clothing on every male character.

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No one is forced to wear anything but the default underwear and sandals. I hope this helps!

You want what??

https://imgur.com/VpAzNWU.png

going insane about the fact that this many FFXIV players are unironically stuck in the 50s.

like bro, unless someone literally has their junk out, all clothing is fair game. there are no female clothes, and as such, all clothes should be equippable by everyone. this ain't rocket science. nobody is preventing you from buying ANY clothes irl, so why would this arbitrary distinction, formed from years of uninclusive, often motivated by raging bigotry, apply in the video game?

The solution is clear and simple, provide both masculine and feminine clothing ! Give the player the choice and rejoice. More designs more clothing variety ! \o/ Like seriously ! I feel the players deserve more. ^^

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

going insane about the fact that this many FFXIV players are unironically stuck in the 50s.

like bro, unless someone literally has their junk out, all clothing is fair game. there are no female clothes, and as such, all clothes should be equippable by everyone. this ain't rocket science. nobody is preventing you from buying ANY clothes irl, so why would this arbitrary distinction, formed from years of uninclusive, often motivated by raging bigotry, apply in the video game?

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Can somebody google this guy the definitions of Masculine and Feminine?

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

And that would make sense if you could figure out how to make grey from your arguments, but its always black or white depending on the question being asked.

As we have seen multiple times over the years "I don't want to be confined to gendered clothes, let me express myself freely" is met with pleas to the devs to make unisex or 2 versions of the outfits. But the seldom "I want to express myself, let me have clothes for my gender" posts we get on occasion is met with "no one is forcing you to dress that way, find something else to glam over it" which makes 0 sense since they have the same answer. That plea to make 2 versions or unisex versions should be the answer to both and would be if ppl were in any way aware of their own personal bias. So, yes you do hold more than one idea at a time, but its whichever idea most closely fits your personal narrative that gets the supportive, positive responce. Everyone else is met with hostility and needs to just deal while sometimes being labeled with really harsh titles even if their only intention was just wanting pants. Which was the same intention of the other question.

And considering that the shapes, styles and cuts of so many garments in this game are 100% made for the female form in mind, leaving ppl wanting more masculine clothing with a lot fewer options, the answer again is very obvious if you look at them subjectively.

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I'm still waiting for OP or anyone to show the missing examples of masculine clothing that FFIXV gear designers are denying us. A great site is Eorzea Collection, which hosts all the newest gear sets for both genders. Are people against WHM AF sets? Is it the AST robes? The DNC and PCT AF have 2 different versions already.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Veil

No one is forced to wear anything but the default underwear and sandals. I hope this helps!

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So im forced to run around in my default underwear and sandals because there is nothing new to wear thats not a tanga or croptop?

Please look at the glam sets released lately. The new PVP Trophy Crystal sets for example and tell me there is a masculine looking option.

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Originally Posted by YukioKobayashi

Please look at the glam sets released lately. The new PVP Trophy Crystal sets for example and tell me there is a masculine looking option.

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I don't see the problem. They don't look out of place on males. The style may or may not meet a given person's preferences, but what about them makes them more suited for one body type over another?

Please give me a option then to disable other Players, i dont wanna be forced to see Male Character wearing feminine clothes or stockings or anything weird.

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

Please give me a option then to disable other Players, i dont wanna be forced to see Male Character wearing feminine clothes or stockings or anything weird.

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It exists, and it's called Blacklisting.

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

I don't see the problem. They don't look out of place on males. The style may or may not meet a given person's preferences, but what about them makes them more suited for one body type over another?

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That is correct. The problem is not the existence of crop tops and tangas. The problem that has been addressed multiple times in this thread is the absence of alternatives for players who are looking for a different look, suiting characters that lean into a masculine style. We just want to get something nice for the guys, that's all.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

I dont want to dress my character feminine

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then don't? what options are you lacking anyway, op?

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Originally Posted by YukioKobayashi

So im forced to run around in my default underwear and sandals because there is nothing new to wear thats not a tanga or croptop?

Please look at the glam sets released lately. The new PVP Trophy Crystal sets for example and tell me there is a masculine looking option.

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Did your old clothes get thrown in the trash when the new stuff got released? It’s ok that not every update will have something you like. That’s just life.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Veil

Did your old clothes get thrown in the trash when the new stuff got released? It’s ok that not every update will have something you like. That’s just life.

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Means I have to glam 4+ year old stuff so the bunny femboys are getting their 20th crop top this expantion. Is that fair?
Dont get me wrong. I dont want the feminine options to be removed. I want masculine options that are not locked to roles without having to wait years.

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Originally Posted by YukioKobayashi

Means I have to glam 4+ year old stuff so the bunny femboys are getting their 20th crop top this expantion. Is that fair?
Dont get me wrong. I dont want the feminine options to be removed. I want masculine options that are not locked to roles without having to wait years.

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I wish they would unlock the class restrictions of older gear like they used to do in ARR and HW but stopped in StB. It allowed you to wear any gear on any class so you could glam healer gear as a tank and so on.

Do people genuinely care about what others wear in a video game?

No one is forcing anyone to wear gearsets you don't want to wear, having the option for men to wear feminine things or women to wear masc things is fine and doesn't effect you in at all, it's a Option you don't have to wear a pretty pink princess dress to complete the msq or something so literally no one is forcing female clothes on anyone.

Like do we not have better things to care about...? how does seeing a man in a dress bother people so much these days? I don't know like maybe not everything is meant to appeal to you and that's fine... Just because your a masc man I know this might be a surprise but it doesn't mean the world revolves around you, theirs other people who like other things such as pretty dresses and stuff, ff14 also offers people some self expression so it's nice to let people express themselves. Further more theirs already plenty of masc gear in game and likely more to come it's not like we have a lack of options.

I don't know, it's just tiring to hear this sentiment constantly, let people be happy instead of dragging everyone down to be miserable like you lol.

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Originally Posted by yesnt

That is correct. The problem is not the existence of crop tops and tangas. The problem that has been addressed multiple times in this thread is the absence of alternatives for players who are looking for a different look, suiting characters that lean into a masculine style. We just want to get something nice for the guys, that's all.

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Do you really even know what you want? Like, sincerely. Do you?

We have tuxedos. Butler suits. Wife beaters. Casual modernistic wear. Like.... We have masculine and feminine clothing. Plenty of it, already. What in Hydalaen's name are you all asking for exactly?

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

Do people genuinely care about what others wear in a video game?

No one is forcing anyone to wear gearsets you don't want to wear, having the option for men to wear feminine things or women to wear masc things is fine and doesn't effect you in at all, it's a Option you don't have to wear a pretty pink princess dress to complete the msq or something so literally no one is forcing female clothes on anyone.

Like do we not have better things to care about...? how does seeing a man in a dress bother people so much these days? I don't know like maybe not everything is meant to appeal to you and that's fine... Just because your a masc man I know this might be a surprise but it doesn't mean the world revolves around you, theirs other people who like other things such as pretty dresses and stuff, ff14 also offers people some self expression so it's nice to let people express themselves. Further more theirs already plenty of masc gear in game and likely more to come it's not like we have a lack of options.

I don't know, it's just tiring to hear this sentiment constantly, let people be happy instead of dragging everyone down to be miserable like you lol.

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You make it sound like OP said they don't want you to wear dresses. It's not about other people's choices, it's about OPs desire for masculine glam. Why do so many shit on this simple request and make it about their own style?

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

I get it, more diversity means more happy players. I'm not against it, but I wish I had at least an option. It's insufferable to see certain outfits or even raid glamour created for female characters and just slapped onto males. I dont want to dress my character feminine, please give us better options. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost

Do you really even know what you want? Like, sincerely. Do you?

We have tuxedos. Butler suits. Wife beaters. Casual modernistic wear. Like.... We have masculine and feminine clothing. Plenty of it, already. What in Hydalaen's name are you all asking for exactly?

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Those are... super outdated, tho? Also, I have already said in this thread which recently implemented glam I liked and which I did not like, you can scroll back if you care.

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Originally Posted by yesnt

Those are... super outdated, tho? Also, I have already said in this thread which recently implemented glam I liked and which I did not like, you can scroll back if you care.

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I don't because, as you're aware, it just reiterates my point. If you want a wife beater, say, just for example here, then go get one of the 5 we already have. SE has no reason to care to make another because 10 players petitioned for it. That's why I asked "Do ya'll even know what it is you actually want?" because just saying "GIMME LESS GIRL CLOTHES" -- going off just the title here -- does not help you. And it certainly doesn't tell the artists what they could work on when they're given the time to. It doesn't.

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Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost

I don't because, as you're aware, it just reiterates my point. If you want a wife beater, say, just for example here, then go get one of the 5 we already have. SE has no reason to care to make another because 10 players petitioned for it. That's why I asked "Do ya'll even know what it is you actually want?" because just saying "GIMME LESS GIRL CLOTHES" -- going off just the title here -- does not help you. And it certainly doesn't tell the artists what they could work on when they're given the time to. It doesn't.

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I want masculine glam that shows the shape of my male character, not those huge jackets that turn him into the shape of a tall toddler, if that helps.

Besides, I am not a gear designer, it is not my job to come up with my own ideas and if you've worked in design (or any kind of product development), you'd be aware that customers do not need to be this specific. It is the job of the company to listen to feedback and find out themselves via research and testing what's needed to improve the service.

Are you a gear designer working for the company or why exactly are you so invested in this discussion as you don't seem to care? Because if so, you are doing a poor job at research. I genuinely don't understand why you are here.

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Originally Posted by YukioKobayashi

Means I have to glam 4+ year old stuff so the bunny femboys are getting their 20th crop top this expantion. Is that fair?
Dont get me wrong. I dont want the feminine options to be removed. I want masculine options that are not locked to roles without having to wait years.

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That’s a valid point. I don’t think things are quite that dire, but I can understand the frustration of feeling like none of the new clothes in recent history are for you.

Agreed on removing role restrictions from all glamor. It’s about time to let us glam however we want with whatever we want.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

Do people genuinely care about what others wear in a video game?

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Yes.Way too much to be exact.

Will they you tell directly? No. Will they silently judge you? Most likely.

What can they do about it? Absolutely nothing.

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Originally Posted by yesnt

Besides, I am not a gear designer, it is not my job to come up with my own ideas and if you've worked in design (or any kind of product development), you'd be aware that customers do not need to be this specific. It is the job of the company to listen to feedback and find out themselves via research and testing what's needed to improve the service.

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I'm not trying to be combative, but I don't understand this line of reasoning. If you hadn't specified that form fitting clothing is what you want I would never have known. It has taken just over 150 posts for this insightful suggestion to appear. While critiquing the game is not your job, how else are the developers supposed to know what you want them to do?

The worst case with feedback is when the devs listen but still fail to deliver because the request wasn't clear in the first place. The developers waste time creating something new, use up limited resources, and the players are left disappointed because they gained nothing in return. Providing detailed feedback makes this less likely. With good feedback the devs can respond to your requests without missteps and they can respond to the requests of other players without using as many resources that could then go towards your personal wishlist. There is no downside to being detailed and it's completely reasonable to expect players to put at least some effort into providing feedback.

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Originally Posted by yesnt

You make it sound like OP said they don't want you to wear dresses. It's not about other people's choices, it's about OPs desire for masculine glam. Why do so many shit on this simple request and make it about their own style?

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1. I wasn't fully referring to OP it was more in general for some people i've seen on this thread. In general on these forums I've seen a lot of sentiment that because some people don't want to see it, men should only wear masculine stuff.
2. Theirs already tons of masculine stuff in game we've gotten lots recently so even then i disagree with the idea we need more, but if people want more that's valid

I have no issue if you just want masc stuff in the game even if I disagree that we need more.

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Originally Posted by Grimforth

Yes.Way too much to be exact.

Will they you tell directly? No. Will they silently judge you? Most likely.

What can they do about it? Absolutely nothing.

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I agree way too much. I've seen threads pop up often lately about this very topic, I just wish we didn't care what people wear in a video game frankly it's tiring enough to see people be like this IRL people moving the goal post from "oh we don't care" to now suddenly caring and trying to force weird gender stereotypes and roles onto people who don't fit into their box.

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

It has taken just over 150 posts for this insightful suggestion to appear. While critiquing the game is not your job, how else are the developers supposed to know what you want them to do?

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By talking directly to the players instead of making the forum appear like a large void that you can yell into or not. If they have any further questions, they need to ask them.

Also, I said this before, so idk why I need to repeat myself time and again.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

1. I wasn't fully referring to OP it was more in general for some people i've seen on this thread. In general on these forums I've seen a lot of sentiment that because some people don't want to see it, men should only wear masculine stuff.

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Okay, maybe quoting these people directly would help avoiding misunderstandings.

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Originally Posted by yesnt

I want masculine glam that shows the shape of my male character, not those huge jackets that turn him into the shape of a tall toddler, if that helps.

Besides, I am not a gear designer, it is not my job to come up with my own ideas and if you've worked in design (or any kind of product development), you'd be aware that customers do not need to be this specific. It is the job of the company to listen to feedback and find out themselves via research and testing what's needed to improve the service.

Are you a gear designer working for the company or why exactly are you so invested in this discussion as you don't seem to care? Because if so, you are doing a poor job at research. I genuinely don't understand why you are here.

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I know I'd like more Dark Souls inspired plated armor sets. That's reasonably specific enough. But I don't care enough either so it's just serving as an example for my point.

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Originally Posted by yesnt

Okay, maybe quoting these people directly would help avoiding misunderstandings.

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These people know who they are, frankly the title shouldn't be rage bait also.

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Originally Posted by yesnt

By talking directly to the players instead of making the forum appear like a large void that you can yell into or not. If they have any further questions, they need to ask them.

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We can agree on this at least. Two way communication would make things so much better.

Female vs male clothing is purely subjective. Clothing articles, don't have genders. Clothing can be more feminine or masculine, but once again... even that is subjective

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Originally Posted by CCheshire

It exists, and it's called Blacklisting.

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sadly not enough room for all the weird male chars with female clothes


btw i know a few people here in the thread which are heavly against "all day cloths in final because it destroys the fantasy" while a male in a dress doesnt destroy the fantasy at all ye? which paradox

bro men can and will wear dresses irl too. what kind of dystopian understanding of gender are you stuck in???