7.3 Hopefully the end of talking to Wuk Lamat

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Originally Posted by PaulusHamsteru

The only way they can redeem the story is if they let us kill Wuk.:p

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This would be my favorite Trial ever. I'd keep playing it even after I got my EX mount.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

I don't know what people are excited about Wuk lamat goes? and what then, we go back to travelling with the scions who don't add anything interesting to the story? If they add a new "protagonist" character it will fall into the same error as DT made where that character has the majority of lines and interactions because we're still insistent that the scions come with us to say some one liners instead of a interesting new cast of characters.

The story cannot thrive as long as it depends on dragging along the scions, Not to say they can't make a appearances at points but the story needs a focus on New characters instead of one new character who takes up the majority of screen time because the scions don't actually add anything of relevance to any cutscene.

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It's not like we're stuck choosing between one or the other. Wuk's problem isn't that she's new, it's that she's horribly written. The writers pushed her way too hard and her story had no cohesion, and in the process painted her into a corner where she really can't be redeemed without creating some sort of jarring narrative whiplash that would make people even more fatigued with her. I think people would be perfectly fine with the Scions by and large taking a backseat since they are pretty played out, but the replacements have to be compelling in their own right.

Unfortunately I can see CS3 playing it very safe next expac, and if they stick with Hiroi being the lead writer, we can expect the same quality we saw in 7.0, so we'll get both clumsy and nonsensical character development along with bland concepts.

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Originally Posted by Astronis

I would have enjoyed that. I am sure Thancred and Urianger would love to test themselves against the WoL even if they both know they are hopelessly outclassed. They'd still put in a good showing and it would be fun for all of them. Plus, it would be nice to see a hint of Thancred's "WoL has gone rogue" contingency plan you know he has.

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That would involve writing some sort of payoff for a plot point and we all know Hiroi wasn't about to let that happen. If it's not an ass-pull, you can forget about seeing it in the story.

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Originally Posted by Astronis

I would have enjoyed that. I am sure Thancred and Urianger would love to test themselves against the WoL even if they both know they are hopelessly outclassed. They'd still put in a good showing and it would be fun for all of them. Plus, it would be nice to see a hint of Thancred's "WoL has gone rogue" contingency plan you know he has.

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Exactly!!

Also, we've never had a boss fight with a dedicated healer involved, have we? At least not in the MSQ. They could've had Urianger use some real bullshit since he could use things like the original Nocturnal Sect being a better shield healer than Scholar was with contant regens on everything and broken buffs and debuffs.

/Loudly sighs/

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Originally Posted by Mecia

The Great Serpent of Tural. Speen! Speen!

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

Wholly different note, but a personal disappointment was that we didn't get a trial/solo instance against Thancred amd Urianger, or really any genuinely active contest against them despite the pre-expansion stuff putting emphasis on the heated rivalry we'd have (we didn't) with our fellow Scions... But Wuk Lamat got one against Bakool Ja Ja.

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OMG!

Thank you for reminding me that I'm still pissed about how the whole "Scions Divided" arc we were supposed to get turned into a whole bunch of nothing. :(

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Originally Posted by Astronis

Plus, it would be nice to see a hint of Thancred's "WoL has gone rogue" contingency plan you know he has.

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Abso-freakin-lutely!

You know it would be something wild and cool, like Batman having a contingency plan for every member of the Justice League.

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

Also, we've never had a boss fight with a dedicated healer involved, have we?

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The only duty I remember off the top of my head was when you have to play as Y'shtola against Little Sun... but the healing part was secondary.

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

Wholly different note, but a personal disappointment was that we didn't get a trial/solo instance against Thancred amd Urianger, or really any genuinely active contest against them despite the pre-expansion stuff putting emphasis on the heated rivalry we'd have (we didn't) with our fellow Scions... But Wuk Lamat got one against Bakool Ja Ja.

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One of the biggest disappointments of the expansion. Makes me wonder with how much it was played up if that *was* supposed to be a bigger part of things and Hiroi and the others cut it out and there wasn't enough oversight to make sure they were including it.

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

Wholly different note, but a personal disappointment was that we didn't get a trial/solo instance against Thancred amd Urianger, or really any genuinely active contest against them despite the pre-expansion stuff putting emphasis on the heated rivalry we'd have (we didn't) with our fellow Scions... But Wuk Lamat got one against Bakool Ja Ja.

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To be honest, IF the story had taken us in the direction of combat Vs any Scions, I would've preferred Estinien over anyone else. I feel like he's the Scion who'd give the WoL the best 'run for their money', personally.

Well, if we had some rivalry between the Scions, it would have taken away from talking to wuk lamat in wuk lamat XIV : wuk lamat.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

wuk lamat XIV : wuk lamat.

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That would imply the existence of 13 other Wuk Lamats...

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Originally Posted by Shistar

That would imply the existence of 13 other Wuk Lamats...

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For the love of god, please don't give them any ideas.

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Originally Posted by Shistar

That would imply the existence of 13 other Wuk Lamats...

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Dear God no

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Why do u guys hate her that bad

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Originally Posted by freshavocado

Why do u guys hate her that bad

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TLDR Because we aren't nearly as enthusiastic as a community to "tune in" to the next part of the story, which was almost entirely about Wuk Lamat, every other issue FFXIV has as a game are now front and center.


It's easy to point to her as a central point of frustration with the issues DT has and most of the issues with the story are because the expansion is actually her story. She's boring and clingy at best, a one-note shonen style protag, and the writing is technically bad, with contrivances and lack of friction to allow Wuk Lamat to always succeed.

Many other characters are severely under utilized and developed. Krile and both of Wuk Brothers really suffer from that.

And because the story is at it's worst point, all the other issues FFXIV has are suddenly front and center, as we don't have anything to make us happy to grind through it. The job design is simpler. The patches are taking longer. The new content is super hit or miss, with too much emphasis on certain types of content each patch.

I don't even want to go into the bait-and-switch advertising we got from DT's build up.

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

I don't even want to go into the bait-and-switch advertising we got from DT's build up.

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To be fair we get a whole lot of bait and switch in the lead up to every single expansion. Do not forget becoming an exiled criminal in ARR, the Scions vs Sharlayan in Endwalker, and the biggest and most notorious lie that could have been something literally gamechanging and epic like the "become the warrior of darkness!" in Shadowbringers.

All of these just ended up being barely acknowledged fluff or throw away plot points.

All I know is if they make her a Scion, I'm done. I can't deal with her on a long-term basis. I always get worried that Yoshi P. reacts out of spite sometimes with the community. He knows she is disliked, so I could see him forcing her on us all just to prove a point.

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Originally Posted by freshavocado

Why do u guys hate her that bad

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Because she's one of the worst written characters ever and we had to deal with having her forced onto us through the entire expansion.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

All I know is if they make her a Scion, I'm done. I can't deal with her on a long-term basis. I always get worried that Yoshi P. reacts out of spite sometimes with the community. He knows she is disliked, so I could see him forcing her on us all just to prove a point.

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This is why I'm hoping she stays in Tural ala Lyse in Ala Mihgo, and let Real Sphene join the Scions instead.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

All I know is if they make her a Scion, I'm done. I can't deal with her on a long-term basis. I always get worried that Yoshi P. reacts out of spite sometimes with the community. He knows she is disliked, so I could see him forcing her on us all just to prove a point.

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Same. They could really do anything with her, but the only thing I think the majority of the player base would accept is retirement from MSQ.

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Originally Posted by SamuraiMiqo

This is why I'm hoping she stays in Tural ala Lyse in Ala Mihgo, and let Real Sphene join the Scions instead.

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She's a queen without a kingdom and has functionally already acknowledged that she's out of time and place. That is one of really 'three paths' that this could go, and I think fans will riot at this point if they choose either of the other two.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

All I know is if they make her a Scion, I'm done. I can't deal with her on a long-term basis. I always get worried that Yoshi P. reacts out of spite sometimes with the community. He knows she is disliked, so I could see him forcing her on us all just to prove a point.

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"I feel a little sorry that we weren't able to properly depict her. We may have been able to make her more straightforward, so we're pushing her in the forefront as this character. But again, we're going to be reflecting that learning into [content patch 7.1] and onward, we're hoping that we can show more of what makes Wuk Lamat so great, and I'm hoping that we can regain from there." - Naoki Yoshida

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Get ready for Wuk Lamat to join the Scions.

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Originally Posted by Atma

She's a queen without a kingdom and has functionally already acknowledged that she's out of time and place. That is one of really 'three paths' that this could go, and I think fans will riot at this point if they choose either of the other two.

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I assume you mean A: Put on tiara and Turn Evil and Die; B: Die (Without turning evil); or C: Come with us

May I propose a 4th option? She will stay, and co-rule with Koana. Thus freeing Wuk Lamat to come with us as the new member of our party. I don't like it, but this is where MY money is going.

Honestly if they keep the writing style seen in 7.0, I think it's only a matter of time before the main writer picks another 'main chara' to focus clumsily on as if we're in some cheap visual novel storytelling. Then we're back at square one.

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Originally Posted by Auro_Seldaris

I assume you mean A: Put on tiara and Turn Evil and Die; B: Die (Without turning evil); or C: Come with us

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Let's face it, even with option A and B on the table, she will almost definitely be resurrected and likely because her bond with Wuk or us (but I am betting on Wuk) is so strong that it transcends both life and death.

If there is one thing you should never do, it's underestimate the reliance this team has on the power of already wildly overused and creatively cheap anime tropes over actual good and well thought out story telling.

Wuk Laminate is literally the only character i HOPED would die asap. Sadly, here we are.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

Let's face it, even with option A and B on the table, she will almost definitely be resurrected and likely because her bond with Wuk or us (but I am betting on Wuk) is so strong that it transcends both life and death.

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"Spheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeene listen to me. I won't let you die. I promised! Don't step into the light. By the power of peace, love, joy, and happiness! Spheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeene."

/Spheene immediately starts breathing again and regains her conciousness/

You read it here first. Enjoy 7.3!

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Originally Posted by Gwenkatsu

"By the power of peace, love, joy, and happiness!"

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... and "tacos." You forgot tacos. :3

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Originally Posted by Auro_Seldaris

Get ready for Wuk Lamat to join the Scions.

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I assume you mean A: Put on tiara and Turn Evil and Die; B: Die (Without turning evil); or C: Come with us

May I propose a 4th option? She will stay, and co-rule with Koana. Thus freeing Wuk Lamat to come with us as the new member of our party. I don't like it, but this is where MY money is going.

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I would like to propose a fifth option: Sphene remains in Alexandria as the sole and rightful ruler and Gulool Ja either moves to Tuliyollal to live with his aunt and uncle (and possibly becomes a future candidate for Dawnservant) or takes up his dad's swords and tags along with us. Lizard Kid is cute and all, but he has no business ruling Alexandria; to the best of our current knowledge, the "king of resolve" was a title imposed on Alexandria by his stupid ass father thirty years ago and can be dismissed as illegitimate.

That is actually a curious point; Wuk Lamat barely interacted with Real Sphene at all, but instead, Sphene was with us during 7.2.

Wuk Lamat is bonded with Endless Sphene, and the cast made it very clear that they are two wholly different characters.

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

That is actually a curious point; Wuk Lamat barely interacted with Real Sphene at all, but instead, Sphene was with us during 7.2.

Wuk Lamat is bonded with Endless Sphene, and the cast made it very clear that they are two wholly different characters.

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Because Wuk Lamat was supposed to be bonding with Real Sphene just the same way she bonded with Endless Sphene. It's VERY odd that she fell head-over-heels for the Endless Sphene, and yet, when the REAL Sphene shows up, she just goes, "Huh. Neat. Well, I'll be in the background, doing anything else than interacting with Sphene. And talking to literal background nobodies instead of the Real life version of my 'dear friend'."

Any inconsistency is cause for scrutiny, both in real-life investigations and in fiction.

It's so out of character, it's jarring. It took me right out of the plot, as likable as Sphene is and as much as I was glad for Wuk to take a backseat, it makes no sense storywise.

The only way it makes a lick of sense is that all of those scenes were originally planned to be Wuk Lamat, but they were redone after the reaction to Wuk in 7.0 to instead have Sphene bond with your WoL. Makes sense, they would hardly have to re-record any lines unless they specificall said "Llama Tea". Just keep Sphene's dialogue and recontextualize everything else as involving the WoL, easy.

Why would Wuk Lamat LOVE the fake Sphene and give no shits about the REAL one? Because it was rewritten.

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Originally Posted by Auro_Seldaris

...Why would Wuk Lamat LOVE the fake Sphene and give no shits about the REAL one? Because it was rewritten.

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I also theorize this.

It worked, too. 7.2 was received as a step in the right direction by simply centering our WoL again.

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Originally Posted by Auro_Seldaris

May I propose a 4th option? She will stay, and co-rule with Koana. Thus freeing Wuk Lamat to come with us as the new member of our party. I don't like it, but this is where MY money is going.

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She wouldn't rule Tuliyollal. If she rules anything, it would be Alexandria and she'd boot out Lizard Kid. Or co-rule with him.

Though really with how they set her up as someone without a country or a time, it would make very little sense. Plus she already gave her literal life for that kingdom already. Let the girl do something else. Even if it's not coming with us, let her explore with Erenville or something.

Koana Tuliyolall and Wuk Lamat ruling Alexandria with baby lizard. I like the gist of it, would free Sphene to adventure with us. And we could ignore the New World for the next part of the story, because there is NOTHING interesting happening there. We went from refugee crisis', poverty and mistreatment of other races to solving hunger with a magical dance party and sharing food between mortal enemies

Agreeing with everyone here. I hope we can get more of Sphene in the future!

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Originally Posted by Shistar

That would imply the existence of 13 other Wuk Lamats...

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That could also mean that atleast in one of the other shards she is an enemy that we could fight and kill.

But knowing SE it is probably more likely that we get a future quest that says "Return to the First and meet Ryne's new best friend"...