Forked Tower: Blood Needs A Normal Mode

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

You're comparing FT to the wrong thing. You shouldn't be comparing it to DR. You should be comparing it to CLL and Dalriada. Those are both accessed inside the instance the way BA and FT are. And they are both still popular. I just took friends through Dalriada right before OC dropped so they could finally finish Bozja. You don't see the maximum numbers of people like when it was current, but there is still plenty of interest from those inside the instance and it's very easy to clear. I did CLL not too far back as well and it also wasn't an issue. Bozja is not hugely populated and can be hard to get people interested in FATEs but the instanced CEs still get plenty of participation from those inside the instances.

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CLL and Dalriada are the only things that proved both 1) popular and 2) engaging in the whole history of field exploratory content. BA only satisfied to 2), and for Forked, while certainly not satisfying to 1) either, remains to be seen about 2).
Everything else has always been gated behind boring grindfiestas no matter the iteration just to access the actual good parts. The way this game is often designed is like players shouldn't have too much fun. Just a little is enough.

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Originally Posted by Valence

CLL and Dalriada are the only things that proved both 1) popular and 2) engaging in the whole history of field exploratory content. BA only satisfied to 2), and for Forked, while certainly not satisfying to 1) either, remains to be seen about 2).
Everything else has always been gated behind boring grindfiestas no matter the iteration just to access the actual good parts. The way this game is often designed is like players shouldn't have too much fun. Just a little is enough.

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Credit where it's due, if that is the intent, SE has nailed it.

Posting the text of the digest here (italics mine):

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Having multiple difficulty levels would've been ideal; unfortunately, with the time constraints that we had, we lacked the development resources to design and debug two separate difficulties in addition to creating large-scale battle content like Forked Tower from the ground up. Furthermore, we believe the difficulty level overshot what players were expecting before release.

We initially anticipated that, as strategies developed, those who cleared the dungeon would be able to assist others with their clears. But entry method-related complications have hindered groups from going back for multiple clears; as a result, the overall situation has yet to reach the state of affairs that we originally envisioned.

Although we couldn't do it for Forked Tower, we've started discussing the possibility of designing Normal and Savage versions of the next large-scale dungeon. We appreciate the feedback that you've shared with us so far and will do our best to make our next updates as enjoyable as possible.

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The wording here leads me to believe it’s as I feared… not only was this another “oops it’s Savage” like CAR, the way they said Forked Tower, without specifying Blood or Magic, sounds like the “next large-scale dungeon” is whatever they do for the next field op. So we’ll have not one, but two, BA style raids and no normal dungeon instances at all for Occult Crescent.

So in other words, the content casuals were looking forward to all this time is capping off each zone with a Savage level dungeon.

I still think this is wrong, and while I know it would take time and resources, both versions of Forked Tower should have a Normal mode. While I personally will try to find a discord group to get me through it (eventually because of the unnecessary hassle of having to do so), I will continue to campaign for the addition of Normal modes, and I will continue to hold a great deal of disappointment and resentment about having to do it this way. And as someone who initially loved the zone, it’s really killing my motivation to keep going.

At the very least, they could allow for some way for the field notes, TT card and Sanguinite to be obtainable outside the Tower, since everyone has decided the support fate is too time-consuming to deal with.

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

Posting the text of the digest here (italics mine):


The wording here leads me to believe it’s as I feared… not only was this another “oops it’s Savage” like CAR, the way they said Forked Tower, without specifying Blood or Magic, sounds like the “next large-scale dungeon” is whatever they do for the next field op. So we’ll have not one, but two, BA style raids and no normal dungeon instances at all for Occult Crescent.

So in other words, the content casuals were looking forward to all this time is capping off each zone with a Savage level dungeon.

I still think this is wrong, and while I know it would take time and resources, both versions of Forked Tower should have a Normal mode. While I personally will try to find a discord group to get me through it (eventually because of the unnecessary hassle of having to do so), I will continue to campaign for the addition of Normal modes, and I will continue to hold a great deal of disappointment and resentment about having to do it this way. And as someone who initially loved the zone, it’s really killing my motivation to keep going.

At the very least, they could allow for some way for the field notes, TT card and Sanguinite to be obtainable outside the Tower, since everyone has decided the support fate is too time-consuming to deal with.

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I really don’t think when they said “forked tower” they meant blood AND magic. While we know that the other one will be magic we can’t even guarantee it will be called forked tower specifically

Regardless this just reads like “next raid will plan to have a normal” which is forked tower magic

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I really don’t think when they said “forked tower” they meant blood AND magic. While we know that the other one will be magic we can’t even guarantee it will be called forked tower specifically

Regardless this just reads like “next raid will plan to have a normal” which is forked tower magic

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I hope you’re right, but the name of the dungeon is “Forked Tower: Blood,” and the next will likely be “Forked Tower: Magic.” It reads to me like these are mirror images of each other; two halves of a whole. Guess it depends on how the devs see them: as one overall dungeon in two parts or as separate entities. They’re usually very careful in their wording/translation on these digests, which is why it takes so long after the LL for them to be posted.

At any rate, if they’re not going to do a Normal mode for both, they should look into things they can do so the zone isn’t totally ruined for those that can’t or don’t want to deal with the current Tower format. Some ideas would be an exploratory mode like I suggested a few pages back to allow all five field notes to be collected. I’m sure even those that clear the Tower would appreciate being able to go back in for gpose purposes, since you probably don’t have much time in there after the last boss before the instance timer runs out. I would also add the TT card to the Sanguinite shop for a modest amount, maybe 10, like the furnishings that are Sanguinite exclusive and don’t drop from zone chests. And finally, added incentive to spawn the support fate for those outside the Tower. With the way they’re fixing the instances, it should NOT be made mandatory, because it will now be possible to have an empty instance for just the Tower alliance. But they should beef up the rewards for both inside and outside, to overcome the current trend of groups skipping it altogether. Maybe 5 Sanguinite outside (adjusting for the rarity of seeing the support fate at all), and extra for the Tower group plus maybe some gold to add to the chests.

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

At the very least, they could allow for some way for the field notes, TT card and Sanguinite to be obtainable outside the Tower, since everyone has decided the support fate is too time-consuming to deal with.

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Hoping they treat the field notes and TT card like they did past areas like this and slap them as another method (for instance, all the harder to get TT cards in Eureka are on an NPC in Kugane, all you need to do is unlock access to Hydratos to be able to play for them.) Not sure how they would implement the field notes, but if they decide to make a mount for getting all those again, there will probably be backlash. (The notes aren't guaranteed drop right? Even people running FT at least once for the mount will be annoyed about it if there's not another option)

"we believe the difficulty level overshot what players were expecting before release" is an absurd statement that tells me their battle content team needs a shorter leash

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Originally Posted by Infindox

Hoping they treat the field notes and TT card like they did past areas like this and slap them as another method (for instance, all the harder to get TT cards in Eureka are on an NPC in Kugane, all you need to do is unlock access to Hydratos to be able to play for them.) Not sure how they would implement the field notes, but if they decide to make a mount for getting all those again, there will probably be backlash. (The notes aren't guaranteed drop right? Even people running FT at least once for the mount will be annoyed about it if there's not another option)

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From what I saw on a wiki, 4 currently drop from chests; don’t know if they’re random or guaranteed drops. Wording is “obtained from a personal spoils coffer after defeating X.” Maybe someone who has completed the Tower can clarify. The last one is a survey point in the dungeon’s final room.

An NPC for the Triad card could work, assuming they add a card to the Magic tower as well. I doubt they’d create an NPC for just one card. Eureka had 4 iirc. Bozja’s cards were purchaseable with the clusters, so that’s why I suggested the Sanguinite shop.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

Hoping they treat the field notes and TT card like they did past areas like this and slap them as another method (for instance, all the harder to get TT cards in Eureka are on an NPC in Kugane, all you need to do is unlock access to Hydratos to be able to play for them.) Not sure how they would implement the field notes, but if they decide to make a mount for getting all those again, there will probably be backlash. (The notes aren't guaranteed drop right? Even people running FT at least once for the mount will be annoyed about it if there's not another option)

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The final one(#30) is a survey point in the final room, not a drop. Unless we get to explore that room as part of a quest at some point, you'll still need to clear FT:B.

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Originally Posted by Valence

CLL and Dalriada are the only things that proved both 1) popular and 2) engaging in the whole history of field exploratory content.

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So popular they put the Deinonychus and Gabriel Mk III in OC bronze chests to make them worthless.

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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow

"we believe the difficulty level overshot what players were expecting before release" is an absurd statement that tells me their battle content team needs a shorter leash

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

Furthermore, we believe the difficulty level overshot what players were expecting before release.

The wording here leads me to believe it’s as I feared… not only was this another “oops it’s Savage” like CAR...

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This isnt them saying "oops its savage"
They said "difficulty level overshot what players were expecting," or in other words, yet again, once again, another case of poor communication... at this point are we even surprised?

And on the topic of CAR, can anyone find the developers mentioning it was supposed to be extreme difficulty? I'm pretty sure we gaslit ourselves into believing "oops its savage" because we heard one single fan-translated line from an LL (If only LLs had official translation...).

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Originally Posted by Cyrtip

Back before it was even announced, Yoshi-P said “I can’t go into too much detail yet, but I’m trying to create savage [content] that has 24 people" in the Japan Expo interview back in mid-July.

And then in his late August Gamescom interview, "in patch 7.1 there will be the 24-person savage content"

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Even the LL digest says this about chaotic (while making no mention of extreme difficulty anywhere):

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We estimate its mechanical difficulty is equivalent to the first fight of a Savage tier, or the second fight of a Savage tier when inter-team coordination is considered.

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I'd say they were pretty spot on with their analysis of Chaotic's difficulty.
Now me saying all this doesn't mean you can't be dissatisfied with how FTB turned out, but saying they don't know how to balance content is wrong because pictomancer is a job, not content lmao. They designed FTB's mechanics exactly how they intended to, people just wanted something different.

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Originally Posted by Cyrtip

I'd say they were pretty spot on with their analysis of Chaotic's difficulty.
Now me saying all this doesn't mean you can't be dissatisfied with how FTB turned out, but saying they don't know how to balance content is wrong because pictomancer is a job, not content lmao. They designed FTB's mechanics exactly how they intended to, people just wanted something different.

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I think think is probably correct, but leaves us with the conclusion that SE consistently designs content that is of no interest to the bulk of the player base.

Given we are also told there is a lack of "resources," it would seem this is a deliberate decision to keep one segment of the player base engaged, while being prepared to shed the rump.

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Originally Posted by Cyrtip

And on the topic of CAR, can anyone find the developers mentioning it was supposed to be extreme difficulty? I'm pretty sure we gaslit ourselves into believing "oops its savage" because we heard one single fan-translated line from an LL (If only LLs had official translation...)

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I don't have the quote from Yoshi-P but here's a post from the japanese thread about Dawntrail's difficulty, that references him saying Chaotic was supposed to be extreme but they made savage instead.

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Originally Posted by syabobo

実際に滅は極程度の難易度で発注してたけど零式レベルになりました！そのままだします！ってやってますしね。
発注通りじゃないなら作り直させるべきだと思ったし、それでそのままお出しするならターゲット層も変わってくると思うんですけど、ディレクションどうなってるんでしょう。

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Originally Posted by Cyrtip

This isnt them saying "oops its savage"
They said "difficulty level overshot what players were expecting," or in other words, yet again, once again, another case of poor communication... at this point are we even surprised?
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Now me saying all this doesn't mean you can't be dissatisfied with how FTB turned out, but saying they don't know how to balance content is wrong because pictomancer is a job, not content lmao. They designed FTB's mechanics exactly how they intended to, people just wanted something different.

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The more I think about the two the more it seems like FTB is more along the lines of what people were hoping for from CAR: an Alliance raid only bigger and more challenging, but instead we got Cloud. lol

Then in this instance, for OC, people were expecting more CLL, Dalriada, DRN/DRS for the field op content and instead got BA the sequel. Which feels like a backwards step in the entirely wrong direction.

So I think you’re right, it definitely comes down to communication, as well as a lack of understanding of the divisions in the overall community right now, and what each type of player wants, along with understanding what kind of content could appeal to the most amount of players and even bring them together. I think Bozja, for all my dislikes of it, had that nice balance of dungeons not being too easy right away, but not being so hard that it killed the fun of it, or kept people from even attempting it. FTB fails on that.

After reviewing the raid plans and video guides, I’m not sure I’m going to be able to attempt the Tower any time soon as-is. There’s just too much room for error and I’m not the kind of person who can practice and learn anything where one mistake means game over, reschedule and try again.

Why they would have a story-mode entrance system and lock story-level rewards for this level of difficulty is beyond me. I’m sure at this point, I’m just screaming into the void. But I still want a Normal mode so I can feel like all the effort I put into this content hasn’t been for nothing.

Something that came up on the other thread: the OC zone gear. Will each zone get its own set? Or will the gear in North require having the +2 set to carry on? You need 60 pieces of sanguinite for one piece of gear, and the support fate gives 2, assuming the puzzle which spawns it isn’t just skipped. Obviously any Tower requirement for the relic effectively kills that off for more casual players, so I doubt they’d do that. But at this point who knows?

It really seems like certain things were made with the assumption that there would be two modes and don’t really make sense with just having the harder difficulty version. One is putting field notes in there along with a Triad card, some of which I assume are random drop. And the achievements for running the Tower 10, 50 or even 100 times! How many people do they think are going to do this even once, let alone 100 times? I’m a Triad collector, and assuming I get this done at all, I won’t be doing multiple runs for the card!

the 1st boss is dirt easy and killing it gives 6 sanguinite within 10 minutes of effort. Just Farm that. Also the new area increases your phantom bonus to +26 instead auf +12, which will be a massive damage boost to overcome obstacles

the TT card of the final boss will be added to an npc later anyway (its current droprate is about 25-30%). There are also enough people that finished the 100 clears already or are close to it. Dont underestimate your co-players

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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow

"we believe the difficulty level overshot what players were expecting before release" is an absurd statement that tells me their battle content team needs a shorter leash

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Yeah. If they admit to overshooting the difficulty, that is also an admission of overtuning the content. Which to fix overtuning, means nerfing aspects about the battle content in order to allow for a higher percentage of clears. As if they simply admit to it but don't really do anything else about it, it might as well be a "sorry you feel that way" apology.

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

Yeah. If they admit to overshooting the difficulty, that is also an admission of overtuning the content. Which to fix overtuning, means nerfing aspects about the battle content in order to allow for a higher percentage of clears. As if they simply admit to it but don't really do anything else about it, it might as well be a "sorry you feel that way" apology.

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No it is the intended difficulty, because they intended it to be high-end.

The issue is players were expecting a normal mode instead and they acknowledge that. It doesn't mean they will magically make it not high-end content.

Their solution is that future field areas will have a normal mode.

It's not like people have manifested their feeedback to get more CLL/Dalriada on these very forums way before the patch, but heh, must be the same vocal minority that's never happy about anything and should just leave the game right?

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

No it is the intended difficulty, because they intended it to be high-end.

The issue is players were expecting a normal mode instead and they acknowledge that. It doesn't mean they will magically make it not high-end content.

Their solution is that future field areas will have a normal mode.

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They also said “having multiple difficulty levels would’ve been ideal.” So yes this was the intended difficulty level for the harder version, no question about that, which we know is the original, since they start hard and scale down for most things.

So when they go on to say: “unfortunately, with the time constraints that we had, we lacked the development resources to design and debug two separate difficulties in addition to creating large-scale battle content like Forked Tower from the ground up.” That makes it sound like they probably did intend for two versions originally, but due to “time constraints” and “lack of resources,” the Normal mode got scrapped, and they thought it would be okay because those that cleared could just carry everyone else, essentially.

Still the way they say “the next large scale dungeon” leads me to believe that we’re in for the same thing in North Horn: “Although we couldn't do it for Forked Tower, we've started discussing the possibility of designing Normal and Savage versions of the next large-scale dungeon.” Both Horns have their own Forked Tower, so I’m not hopeful that North will have two modes, and even if it does, it will feel unbalanced if they don’t add one to South as well.

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

Still the way they say “the next large scale dungeon” leads me to believe that we’re in for the same thing in North Horn: “Although we couldn't do it for Forked Tower, we've started discussing the possibility of designing Normal and Savage versions of the next large-scale dungeon.” Both Horns have their own Forked Tower, so I’m not hopeful that North will have two modes, and even if it does, it will feel unbalanced if they don’t add one to South as well.

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I feel 100% confident they meant that North Horn will have both normal and savage.

You've got to remember this is translation and things get lost in translation. It's pretty obvious to me they meant North Horn will have a normal mode and they've got around a year to find the development resources.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I feel 100% confident they meant that North Horn will have both normal and savage.

You've got to remember this is translation and things get lost in translation. It's pretty obvious to me they meant North Horn will have a normal mode and they've got around a year to find the development resources.

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Hoping you’re right! They usually seem to be very careful with the official translation so as not to have anything be misconstrued, but this one felt like it could go either way to me.

But also hoping that since they have a year, they realize how uneven it is to have FT: Part 2 be easily accessible to casuals while Part 1 is not, and create Normal modes for both at the same time to balance out the content.

Honestly if they just added the ability to queue in it would solve the problem and would make the need for a normal mode unnecessary. The current FT is challenging but realistically it's not that bad and most people can clear it. The problem is it takes so long to actually go in and the fact that it kicks you out if the party wipes creates an artificial wall that slows people from progressing. If they just had a queue people would be able to just go in and practice and I guarantee you there would be a huge number of people clearing and none of this would be an issue. The content is more than doable by everyone but SE decided to make it over complicated as usual.

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Originally Posted by Eight

Honestly if they just added the ability to queue in it would solve the problem and would make the need for a normal mode unnecessary. I think they really don't need a normal mode because the current FT is challenging but realistically it's not that bad and most people can clear it. The problem is it takes so long to actually go in and the fact that it kicks you out if the party wipes creates an artificial wall that slows people from progressing. If they just had a queue people would be able to just go in and practice and I guarantee you there would be a huge number of people clearing and none of this would be an issue. The content is more than doable by everyone but SE decided to make it over complicated as usual.

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Dead stars is not being casually pugged even with no restrictions on entry and death

Slimes is fine, like I mean even TA normal people will kill you if you don’t align hot and cold. Snowballs is 6 coordinated wildcharges followed by a tether stretch that’s straight up a wipe if done wrong. Delta attack does way too much damage for casual pugs unless you luck into a really competant SCH who can ignore the mechanic with spreadlo. Then fire towers is a mechanic where every single person has full raidwide responsibility, a single person standing in the wrong spot on fire towers can and will wipe the raid and unlike something like snowball tether stretch or meteors on tablet it’s not just “hope you don’t get the raid wide responsibility mechanic” because everyone has to participate in towers

People can barely hold 8 man prog groups together through more than 2 wipes of content people are supposed to know. You would be very unlikely to get many groups casually through dead stars and if you start tomestone checking for making it to marble dragon you are basically in the same position you are now

This is assuming you even reach dead stars and not just all run in, realise nobody has thief and then wipe to someone blowing up a super trap in hallways

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

Then in this instance, for OC, people were expecting more CLL, Dalriada, DRN/DRS for the field op content and instead got BA the sequel. Which feels like a backwards step in the entirely wrong direction.

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FT provided the BA entry while offering us DRS Lite content, talk about adding insult to injury.

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

I think Bozja, for all my dislikes of it, had that nice balance of dungeons not being too easy right away, but not being so hard that it killed the fun of it, or kept people from even attempting it. FTB fails on that.

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Had loots not been so terrible in OC, it would have given people a reason to do the content, even if there weren't an endgame dungeon/raid. Now, all phantom jobs maxing is just to get buff to your character so that perhaps one day you may go to prep and try FT.

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Originally Posted by Eight

Honestly if they just added the ability to queue in it would solve the problem and would make the need for a normal mode unnecessary. The current FT is challenging but realistically it's not that bad and most people can clear it. The problem is it takes so long to actually go in and the fact that it kicks you out if the party wipes creates an artificial wall that slows people from progressing. If they just had a queue people would be able to just go in and practice and I guarantee you there would be a huge number of people clearing and none of this would be an issue. The content is more than doable by everyone but SE decided to make it over complicated as usual.

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Having difficulty entering the content is indeed a part of the problem. The main issue, however, is that FT is not a raid that relies solely on personal responsibility. Additionally, you have role responsibility and group responsibility that everyone must adhere to when interacting with the bosses' mechanics. Just as in a chaotic raid, especially in the second phase, if a single person or two commits a mistake in the run, it will not only kill themselves but also likely wipe out the entire raid. Therefore, simply having a queue system would not be enough, as too much coordination is required for groups even to contemplate completing the raid.

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Originally Posted by TeresaFortell

The main issue, however, is that FT is not a raid that relies solely on personal responsibility. Additionally, you have role responsibility and group responsibility that everyone must adhere to when interacting with the bosses' mechanics. Just as in a chaotic raid, especially in the second phase, if a single person or two commits a mistake in the run, it will not only kill themselves but also likely wipe out the entire raid. Therefore, simply having a queue system would not be enough, as too much coordination is required for groups even to contemplate completing the raid.

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Requiring coordination is fine. It's what turns a bunch of solo players vibing to their own tune into an actual party making their way through a raid, dungeon, whatever.

In terms of a normal mode FT, the issue is making mistakes something other than ridiculously punishing.

The content difficulty is arguable, but it's fine.
The real issue is the way it was introduced still makes me wonder who exactly it was meant for?

The lack of premade/queueing to it and having the free for all "just go there to join" system makes it seem like it wants to appeal to casuals who want to "try it out" when it pops, but the amount of personal responsibility and coordination in both jobs and mechanics required makes it seems like it's meant strictly for statics.

I'd love to read the design doc of FTB just to see how it was presented and argued.

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Originally Posted by XtremePrime

The content difficulty is arguable, but it's fine.
The real issue is the way it was introduced still makes me wonder who exactly it was meant for?

The lack of premade/queueing to it and having the free for all "just go there to join" system makes it seem like it wants to appeal to casuals who want to "try it out" when it pops, but the amount of personal responsibility and coordination in both jobs and mechanics required makes it seems like it's meant strictly for statics.

I'd love to read the design doc of FTB just to see how it was presented and argued.

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To me that sounds awfully lot like a corporate miscommunication issue. It's kind of hard to believe that Yoshida green lit this with full awareness of the situation, unless he delegated somebody else to approve the material, since it's side content. Probably? I would believe that a director having to manage multiple huge projects had to do this in order to work or not go insane.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I feel 100% confident they meant that North Horn will have both normal and savage.

You've got to remember this is translation and things get lost in translation. It's pretty obvious to me they meant North Horn will have a normal mode and they've got around a year to find the development resources.

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Have they not noticed these translation issues are the source of a lot of discontent?

Additionally, have they forgotten they have E,F,D localization teams that are quite well placed to provide accurate translations so we don't all run around in circles in this fog of confusion?

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Have they not noticed these translation issues are the source of a lot of discontent?

Additionally, have they forgotten they have E,F,D localization teams that are quite well placed to provide accurate translations so we don't all run around in circles in this fog of confusion?

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I still remember when they forgot to translate Rral Majun's role quest dialogue. Clearly, the team lacked adequate resources to work on this game.

Speaking of translations, I decided to take a look at JP’s forums to see what they had to say about the Tower. For the most part they seem to have similar complaints to ours, and I was heartened to see that their posts in favor of creating a Normal mode had a lot of stars on them.

From one of the other threads:

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Originally Posted by Maltothoris

So at that anime expo that happened, we got a few more details https://www.rpgsite.net/interview/17...ward-to-future Most of it is about the future but he did make a few comments on OC and FT.

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"I do feel that Forked Tower: Blood was a misstep in development. It wasn't meant to be hardcore content, so to speak. The intention was that it might be more difficult at first, but over time more players might be willing to take on the challenge; yet, in the end we made it too difficult for players to even get into the raid in the first place. That's why we're making adjustments with 7.3, and why some of those adjustments were pushed even earlier than that. [...] That's why we're revising our roadmap to account for this feedback in patch 7.5." Yoshida also reflected that the team may have been putting too much focus on a player's individual responsibility, and how a single person's failure could have such a profound impact on the whole party. They regret that they weren't able to strike that balance they had intended for the content.

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

From one of the other threads:

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There's a point where "We accidentally made it hardcore" stops being a mistake and becomes a problem with SOP/QA.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

There's a point where "We accidentally made it hardcore" stops being a mistake and becomes a problem with SOP/QA.

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When it's repeated multiple times, it becomes increasingly difficult to believe it's an "accident" at all.

A raid simulator is cheaper to produce than a MMO.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

When it's repeated multiple times, it becomes increasingly difficult to believe it's an "accident" at all.

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Do we know if Mr. Ozma was in charge of FT? Because he was the one responsible for the previous two "accidents"(Criterion, CAR). Either way there's no excuse for it happening yet again assuming it's really the case; Yoshi P's comments at the expo kinda contradict some of the explanations he gave during the LL so I dunno what to believe.

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Originally Posted by SkankyRoe

Do we know if Mr. Ozma was in charge of FT? Because he was the one responsible for the previous two "accidents"(Criterion, CAR). Either way there's no excuse for it happening yet again assuming it's really the case; Yoshi P's comments at the expo kinda contradict some of the explanations he gave during the LL so I dunno what to believe.

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It's a sad conclusion to reach, but either the director doesn't know what's going on, or he is lying to us.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

It's a sad conclusion to reach, but either the director doesn't know what's going on, or he is lying to us.

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I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt but he already lied to us fairly recently(CAR) and he's currently in PR damage control mode so I can't really trust anything he says. It's also just as bad a problem if he doesn't know what's going on, because knowing what's going on is literally his job.