The real reason there are even subscribers in 2024

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

Square Enix has been a laughing stock of a company for years. It will never get better. Dawntrail will likely be the last expansion for many people before they switch to a different game. The “other MMO” is coming back and its newest expansion has good reviews.

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At least one person has said this about the "other MMO" for the past 3 expansions and it never plays out because Blizzard can't refrain from shooting itself in the foot.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

And if you want fun JRPG combat? FF7R has that.

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Oh hunny. Hunny no
The last time I truly had fun in a jrpg was KHII


As for why I sub. The raid tier is really enjoyable with solid music. Plus I'm grinding out alpha wolf. I'm not really sure what the point of this post was besides regurgitated shower thoughts. It's like ur angry at the community when they say they don't see things exactly like you do. I think you need to reevaluate your critical thinking process here

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

Oh hunny. Hunny no
The last time I truly had fun in a jrpg was KHII


As for why I sub. The raid tier is really enjoyable with solid music. Plus I'm grinding out alpha wolf. I'm not really sure what the point of this post was besides regurgitated shower thoughts. It's like ur angry at the community when they say they don't see things exactly like you do. I think you need to reevaluate your critical thinking process here

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Kingdom Hearts Online when?

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Originally Posted by TBerry

Kingdom Hearts Online when?

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Well there have multiple kingdom hearts mobile games and yes they are canon to the story :p

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

Let's be really honest why there are people even subscribed to FF14 in 2024:

It isn't because it's a video game, or because it's an MMO. It's not even a good RPG anymore. Go play Divinity Original Sin 1&2 or Baldur's Gate III if you actually want to play a good RPG. And if you want fun JRPG combat? FF7R has that. Story? Lol. For the first time it's actually worse than WoW's.

Let's all be honest. The reason why people are even "playing" FF14 in 2024 isn't because people are "playing" the game. It's because FF14 has the best suite of third party, ToS-violating tools that help you look your best in screenshots. Or the best in different custom poses. Or the best while they're all unequipped and you're doing gods know what down there while staring at those unequipped characters.

It's also because FF14 has the best drama. Desolance? Xeno? Arthars? Healer strike? Wuk Lamat? Need I go on? It's always a fun time to be in the FF14 community because every other day some human interest story will organically pop up that lets people get a huge whiff of what absolute human depravity looks like.

And it's also because you can find your e-girl or e-boy on some steamy Discord and get dating while sitting on each other's lap (both catgirl ofc) on the Limsa Lominsa Lower Deck Plaza bench under a tree right to the left of the marketboard. But really it's all just Discord and using FF14 to heat up your room.

Who actually subscribes to FF14 for a video game after all?

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Nah the only reason I'm still subscribed is because of housing auto-demolition. If I didn't lose my house, id of quit till next patch

I'm only staying subscribed because there hasn't been a decent new MMO release in a while, and it seems even the ones in production have been delayed. I might give WoW's newest expansion a try, only for the fact that I miss playing classes(jobs) that are actually fun to play with better class identities, and a real healer role.

Might even go back to playing EverQuest a bit again as I'm already bored with DawnTrail.

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Originally Posted by Conando

At least one person has said this about the "other MMO" for the past 3 expansions and it never plays out because Blizzard can't refrain from shooting itself in the foot.

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All MMOs are shooting themselves in the food for various reasons. WoW, Lost Ark, FFXIV, EvE... the list goes on. It seems that the willingness to shoot yourself in the foot is a prerequisite for the job XD

It’s me I’m the real reason the game has subscribers

EX DEE LMAO. nice weird bait

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Originally Posted by Infindox

Im subbed because I enjoy getting achievements I didn't have and catching up on some crafting ones while I play a game on the side, waiting for things I want to do to pop up in PF or stuff like S ranks. I also just generally enjoy helping people complete old content and catching up. I also just ... Generally like existing in the game world. Like, not even RPing, just chilling.

Sorry if I don't fit whatever narrative you're trying to push here.

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I'm subbed for many reasons

1. I enjoy the game
2. I have a house
3. I enjoy raiding Savage and Ultimates
4. My FC
5. My Friends

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

Let's be really honest why there are people even subscribed to FF14 in 2024:

It isn't because it's a video game, or because it's an MMO. It's not even a good RPG anymore. Go play Divinity Original Sin 1&2 or Baldur's Gate III if you actually want to play a good RPG. And if you want fun JRPG combat? FF7R has that. Story? Lol. For the first time it's actually worse than WoW's.

Let's all be honest. The reason why people are even "playing" FF14 in 2024 isn't because people are "playing" the game. It's because FF14 has the best suite of third party, ToS-violating tools that help you look your best in screenshots. Or the best in different custom poses. Or the best while they're all unequipped and you're doing gods know what down there while staring at those unequipped characters.

It's also because FF14 has the best drama. Desolance? Xeno? Arthars? Healer strike? Wuk Lamat? Need I go on? It's always a fun time to be in the FF14 community because every other day some human interest story will organically pop up that lets people get a huge whiff of what absolute human depravity looks like.

And it's also because you can find your e-girl or e-boy on some steamy Discord and get dating while sitting on each other's lap (both catgirl ofc) on the Limsa Lominsa Lower Deck Plaza bench under a tree right to the left of the marketboard. But really it's all just Discord and using FF14 to heat up your room.

Who actually subscribes to FF14 for a video game after all?

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I am subscribed because I have a fc house, a personnel house, and a island. I love both workshops especially my fc which can make the new country exterior. :) I am also a omni crafter and love to make stuff to sell .. my goal is to make a billion gil and I am 1/3 of the way there. I love going over the whole story on alts I currently have 9. 5 have made it through DT. 4 are passed EW .....I am retired and this is the only game I play . Also I love the glamour and spend hours getting each outfit right on all 9 characters. The eye candy has improved greatly since the expac dropped ... :)

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Originally Posted by TBerry

Most people don't see this on their screen unless they run Mare.

It's kinda sad when people are just so used to mods that they can't see anything beyond that anymore.


For me as an RPer and casual Crafter/Gatherer, it's... that. RP, crafting gathering.

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I mean why ask for a graphical update if were gonna judge ppl for how they wanna play then....its almost like you guys pay their subs???

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

The people just fix stuff like hats themself instead of demanding that from the devs.

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Because the devs don't care? It took a widespread use of third party tools before SE devs finally decided to (gasp) put the cooldown number in the center of the damn button and make it bigger. And show the remaining buff/debuff duration on the party UI.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

Because players are lazy and conformists.


I completely oppose mods but Yoshida is doing nothing to prevent them which is pretty unfair. The game looks like 10 years old crap but players are still happy with it, they don't seem to complain that we only have pretty faces but PS3 bodies.


Personally I want much better body models, I don't care how the dev team does it, I don't care if all NPCs look like shabby FFX characters as long as my character looks great.


I could use mods to have my characters look great but they are illegal under ToS. Mods are also mediocre since the ones that create them do it however they want and they are too different from the "vanilla" models so an official solution would be better, that is remodeling all character bodies to conform to current standards and not old PS3 stuff.


MMO games should NOT live more than 10 years but while they continue to make money the developers will continue to milk players.

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You don't need mods to look great not anymore the new graphics update has improved all. The bikinis look good and flat assed like they use too. Taffeta shawl is not a small chested bump, but a full figured breast now. The Thavnairian outfit is wonderful and the tights look much better :) I could go on but needless to say don't need mods to look good. Omg i forgot to mention 2bs, the bottoms make big booty and girls put 2bs with all bouses, tops, and bikini tops it will make them look like the eye candy you need :)

Modders make better hairstyles. Just look at the hairstyle contest and what the devs chose and it shows you why people mod. The devs only choose hairstyles that a boy band in japan would use.

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Originally Posted by Somnolence

MMOs are dead genre.

Not many options, for me FFXIV is the only one that fits so there is no other MMO for me to play.

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So dead that it's still one of the most popular genres. Spreading such misinformation needs to stop, it belongs 8 years past. The genre itself takes a lot of resources to maintain and keep up, and trust me it'd be even more alive if it wasn't so difficult to make. That's the one limiting factor to mmos being more popular.

The new graphic update made it impossible to look at the game through all the bloom ������

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Originally Posted by Teno

So dead that it's still one of the most popular genres.

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Compared to what? MOBAs and various shooters rule the show these days, even more so among the younger generation.

Now, I agree that MMORPGs are still pretty popular, but they all suffer from various issues, be it FFXIV, WoW, LA or others. Which may cause a "stuck" feeling, because, as Somnolence pointed out, there aren't many options if you want to play an MMORPG. Every studio seems to be dead set on shooting themselves in the foot.

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Originally Posted by Teno

So dead that it's still one of the most popular genres. Spreading such misinformation needs to stop, it belongs 8 years past. The genre itself takes a lot of resources to maintain and keep up, and trust me it'd be even more alive if it wasn't so difficult to make. That's the one limiting factor to mmos being more popular.

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Calling MMO's "dead" would be inaccurate, but it's also very evident that they're well past their "golden age" or heyday. Back when WoW hit the scene and made it huge, MMO's were *the* thing for people of all ages to play, and rather importantly younger gamers. Today? There's very few teenagers and college kids playing MMO's compared to 15-20 years ago. MMO's are now primarily the home of gamers rapidly approaching (if not already in) middle age, and the "new blood" is heading to other things like MOBA's and mobile games. That's important because it means studios are going to be *very* hesitant to pour the amount of resources you need to make an MMO into a new venture at this point.

I've been watching my friend play World of Warcraft: The War Within Early Access.

The game looks pretty, they also seem to be focusing on the story (the quality of which I don't really know), but I don't really feel the urge to try it out or drop my FFXIV sub for it.

Anyone else try it yet?

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

I've been watching my friend play World of Warcraft: The War Within Early Access.

The game looks pretty, they also seem to be focusing on the story (the quality of which I don't really know), but I don't really feel the urge to try it out or drop my FFXIV sub for it.

Anyone else try it yet?

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I was tempted to try it. I haven't played WoW since I think BfA, but I was an avid player for a long time and started when the game first released. My main hesitation for trying it again is the player base is insanely toxic, you need too many mods to do anything, and the graphics are too cartoony.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

Explain why you have to do hunt trains or Expert over and over again for six to seven weeks to get BiS for Ultimate then??

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Is your definition of a grind having to earn currency?

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Calling MMO's "dead" would be inaccurate, but it's also very evident that they're well past their "golden age" or heyday. Back when WoW hit the scene and made it huge, MMO's were *the* thing for people of all ages to play, and rather importantly younger gamers. Today? There's very few teenagers and college kids playing MMO's compared to 15-20 years ago. MMO's are now primarily the home of gamers rapidly approaching (if not already in) middle age, and the "new blood" is heading to other things like MOBA's and mobile games. That's important because it means studios are going to be *very* hesitant to pour the amount of resources you need to make an MMO into a new venture at this point.

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I find this is actually a fun observation of social norms - the newer age group is less prone to forming common communities and are not really as into long-term development buit rather prefer the quick fix and rapid growth; consuming and discarding. So MMO players tend to stick with the people they play with over and over versus MOBA players which might form small clicks of 5-8 folks and then just have a massive list of friends they play with once and a while and they just do all content in the roulette system of their game of choice.

I play FFXIV simply BECAUSE it's a subscription game. For $15/mo, it's a damn good one at that.

I've played a lot of MMOs over the years starting from EQ1. One thing I've noticed is that whenever a game switches from a subscription to a Free-to-Play (a.k.a. Pay-to-Win) model, it completely ruins the game EVERY.SINGLE.TIME. without fail.

I refuse to play anything that requires micro-transactions to advance.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

Let's be really honest why there are people even subscribed to FF14 in 2024:

It isn't because it's a video game, or because it's an MMO. It's not even a good RPG anymore. Go play Divinity Original Sin 1&2 or Baldur's Gate III if you actually want to play a good RPG. And if you want fun JRPG combat? FF7R has that. Story? Lol. For the first time it's actually worse than WoW's.

Let's all be honest. The reason why people are even "playing" FF14 in 2024 isn't because people are "playing" the game. It's because FF14 has the best suite of third party, ToS-violating tools that help you look your best in screenshots. Or the best in different custom poses. Or the best while they're all unequipped and you're doing gods know what down there while staring at those unequipped characters.

It's also because FF14 has the best drama. Desolance? Xeno? Arthars? Healer strike? Wuk Lamat? Need I go on? It's always a fun time to be in the FF14 community because every other day some human interest story will organically pop up that lets people get a huge whiff of what absolute human depravity looks like.

And it's also because you can find your e-girl or e-boy on some steamy Discord and get dating while sitting on each other's lap (both catgirl ofc) on the Limsa Lominsa Lower Deck Plaza bench under a tree right to the left of the marketboard. But really it's all just Discord and using FF14 to heat up your room.

Who actually subscribes to FF14 for a video game after all?

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You actually make it sound so sad and creepy lol.

I am gonna give it straight to you brother. If you pay monthly sub just to ERP in a video game you are just a big time loser in real life. Now i am going to sanitize myself. I feel dirty for just clicking on this thread.

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Originally Posted by TDawnstar

Compared to what? MOBAs and various shooters rule the show these days, even more so among the younger generation.

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Yeah but do you want to play a game with a bunch of angry tweens throwing around racist slurs because you're not optimising and they've deluded themselves into thinking they're somehow going to make pro one day by playing ranked? Miss me with that trash. I'm glad League and Valorant exist so we have a cage to put those animals in. Let them be sweaty tryhards over there, away from us decent normal folk. We should all thank the gods they're not playing MMOs.

You know this game is called the FGC retirement home right?
Sweaty abnormal tryhards like myself come here to turn our brains off (easy to do these days with the direction the game has been going in)

The best opinion in this thread omg

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Doubtful. Every expansion will be the "last one" for some segment of the population, while other players will simply rotate in (or back in) and take their place. People doomsayed to no end trashing EW, and what happened? Yeah, DT had the highest pre-sales ever for FFXIV, even beating EW which had been inflated by the "WoW exodus." People will also continue playing multiple games, including FFXIV as one of them.



They absolutely do realize that. Why do you think they "outlaw" modding, but look the other way at so many of the mods that exist unless people are mind-bogglingly idiotic and openly broadcast that they use them? Entire modding communities exist within FFXIV that SE recognizes is beneficial and lets alone.



This is the one part I can half agree with. I wish they would stop with the remakes, especially FF7, which to me is the most overhyped and overrated game in existence. The new titles are still made with plenty of "actual talent," though, they're just made in a different style that simply may not appeal to the same people SE's older games had appealed to.



They haven't "killed off" anything. Classes still have their own unique flavors, and every single piece of content made for the game is still playable (unlike certain other "popular" MMO's that either completely destroy and remake their world, rendering the "old content" physically gone from the game, or put it in a "content vault" where it's - again - literally inaccessible). FFXIV still has all of the old content available, and most certainly deserves its "mainline" status.



Oh, please. Comments like this just shred credibility on anything and everything else. The hundreds of PF Extreme and Savage groups, Hunt trains so large they're lagging servers, ~60+ hours of new content released in 7.0, etc.. Seriously.

Though I should ask, now that you've gone from the fake "cheerleader" posting to the utterly bitter posting, and saying things like your opening two sentences...why are you even here? Go play a game you'll actually enjoy (seriously).

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I strongly agree with all of these points

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Originally Posted by Lak14

you call that grind ? How innocent you are

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Maybe he should try the insanity of doing relic grinds days before a new expansion or 7.x comes out. Really gets grindy when you gotta farm hundered or thousands of fates total for certain relics