It's so Awesome to See All the Cool Stuff Are Now in Cashshop.

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Microtransactions are NEVER a good thing.
They are predatory on neurodivergent people, people with gambling tendencies, and have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the product, game, or the people that works in it.

Microtransactions are morally wrong and completely unethical.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

They are predatory on neurodivergent people, people with gambling tendencies, and have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the product, game, or the people that works in it.

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I agree that they're predatory, but they're predatory to everyone, not just certain groups of people.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

Extremely more predatory to a certain groups of people.

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Fair enough, that's true.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I agree that they're predatory, but they're predatory to everyone, not just certain groups of people.

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Extremely more predatory to a certain groups of people.
Unethically so.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

Reminder

Microtransactions are NEVER a good thing.
They are predatory on neurodivergent people, people with gambling tendencies, and have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the product, game, or the people that works in it.

Microtransactions are morally wrong and completely unethical.

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That's kinda a really disingenuous statement without context. The term microtransaction is usually used for games that promote lootboxes, gacha mechanics and pay to win. Nothing of which applies to the XIV store. I mean, to be fair if your glam is bad i guess that makes you also a bad player but yeah...

So it's kinda unfair of you to leave that specific context out, since the gacha mechanics of most freemium microtransaction games are the thing that is addictive, especially when the game is specifically designed to give you more power the more money you spend. Again nothing of which applies to XIV.

Lastly XIV, unlike microtransaction games, doesn't push invasive advertisement onto you. Or have you seen popups ingame about the latest store items? Me neither.

So next time maybe show the full picture cause your half baked attempt to paint something as the same as gacha cashgrab games is also very morally wrong and unethical.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

The term microtransaction is usually used for games that promote lootboxes

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No.
Cash Shops ARE microtransactions. That usually is just an assumption.

Here is the definition: Microtransactions, sometimes abbreviated as mtx, are a business model where users can purchase virtual goods with micropayments.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

https://media.tenor.com/ASGuOCPGrKEAAAAd/kekw-kek.gif

This one thinks that money is actually getting reinvested back into the game!

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Yes. This has always been the case. Why there's a new facet of players who are ignorant of this fact and refuse to accept it is beyond me, but you haven't a clue what you're saying and are probably far too wet behind the ears in terms of when you started playing to even know what you're saying. XIV's revenue from subs and unit sales is used amongst the company; sales revenue in any company is utilized this way, but Mogstation has always gone back into the game as its CBU3's way of bolstering their own budget.

That is literally the whole point and has been since it was introduced alongside the Gold Saucer.\

Its funded new server hardware, new data centers, world visit, fanfests, extra merch development, concerts, media tours and DC travel among other things and they have always been incredibly transparent about this fact. The cash shop is the only way we can directly support CBU3 and XIV's continued development as all other revenue from the game is not exclusive to the project.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

No.
Cash Shops ARE microtransactions. That usually is just an assumption.

Here is the definition: Microtransactions, sometimes abbreviated as mtx, are a business model where users can purchase virtual goods with micropayments.

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I like how you get your definitions from wikipedia, lol. If you continue reading the entry instead of just the first line you might learn something.

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

Yes. This has always been the case. Why there's a new facet of players who are ignorant of this fact and refuse to accept it is beyond me, but you haven't a clue what you're saying and are probably far too wet behind the ears in terms of when you started playing to even know what you're saying. XIV's revenue from subs and unit sales is used amongst the company; sales revenue in any company is utilized this way, but Mogstation has always gone back into the game as its CBU3's way of bolstering their own budget.

That is literally the whole point and has been since it was introduced alongside the Gold Saucer.\

Its funded new server hardware, new data centers, world visit, fanfests, extra merch development, concerts, media tours and DC travel among other things and they have always been incredibly transparent about this fact. The cash shop is the only way we can directly support CBU3 and XIV's continued development as all other revenue from the game is not exclusive to the project.

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I aint reading all that I seen enough with the first sentence

cope more

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Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo

I mean, it's complicated.

I don't think this is a black-or-white issue, and without saying that each side is equal, I will say there are compelling ideas and values on each side. So I guess what I'll close with is simply encouragement to engage with the true nuance of this issue, rather than trying to paint it as all good or all bad.

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The well has been poisoned. Even somewhat tempered responses to this come off very hollow in the minds of the perpetually disappointed.

I personally think this is absolutely repugnant, even more so when I've learned that this isn't even going to be a reward in game or included in the Fanfest ticket, which already had a price increase.

How am I really supposed to have a "balanced, well-thought discourse" with these "enlightened centrists" who say "If I don't like it, don't buy it" when literally THIS patch a significant amount of BLU Eden Savage groups fell apart because Shadowkeeper, an Eden-inspired Mount, was thrown into the cash shop, and some people are just more extrinsically motivated than others, even more so after dealing with patch after patch of controversies in their corner of the game.

I assure you, I'm sure more reactions would be nuanced and measured if Square Enix would extend the same courtesy more then the number of fingers on my hand. There's no complex dynamic here, from their perspective. SE gets more money. That's all that matters, objectively. I'm sure they aren't hurting by a nice bonus on the financials this quarter.

The well is poisoned. Any feedback given is too tainted by hate, towards SE, in favor of SE, or to each other. Unfortunate it has come to this.

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

whatever this says, not reading it lol

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https://media.tenor.com/nbJLAkkQ4QQA...oody-laugh.gif

Your money paid for flops like Forspoken LOL

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Originally Posted by OdinelStarrei

Tow am I really supposed to have a "balanced, well-thought discourse" with these "enlightened centrists" who say "If I don't like it, don't buy it" when literally THIS patch a significant amount of BLU Eden Savage groups fell apart because Shadowkeeper, an Eden-inspired Mount, was thrown into the cash shop, and some people are just more extrinsically motivated than others, even more so after dealing with patch after patch of controversies in their corner of the game.

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I don't usually do BLU savage raids, but I probably would have gotten around to it if they had Shadowkeeper as the reward. I'm not doing old savage raids as BLU for a title as bad as "Forbidden Blue".

https://youtu.be/oL2B-AAnsHo Anyone else hearing this..

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

And neither is crying like a spoiled brat in a candy store.

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"spoiled brat" lmao

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

Reminder

Microtransactions are NEVER a good thing.
They are predatory on neurodivergent people

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You should be more Specific...""Lootboxes"", are Predatory.
Because they are Gambling, and feed into addictions.

That makes more sense then just Generalizing Microtransactions.
Because there is nothing Predatory about me choosing to directly buy an Emote or a Mount off the Premium store.
Now, if I was required to Gamble for it with Lootboxes that require Actual IRL money for a "Chance" to get it...thats Predatory.
Buying something outright isnt Predatory.

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyy

Per www.ffxivcollect.com Since 6.4 there have been 12 new mounts, 2 of them are on the store.

Also Moonfire usually happens around the second week of August. (last year it was Aug. 10th)

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I love how everyone just completely ignored this btw. Im sorry DragonFlyy

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

but Mogstation has always gone back into the game as its CBU3's way of bolstering their own budget.

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Who said that? Was it someone from Square Enix by any chance?

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I love how everyone just completely ignored this btw. Im sorry DragonFlyy

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Not everyone ignored it. I just chose not to respond to logic in such a colorful fun thread. :D

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Not everyone ignored it. I just chose not to respond to logic in such a colorful fun thread. :D

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I can respect the honesty at least lol

lol oh my god they really made it cost over $33 USD for a two person mount.

SE it's really cool looking and all but come the fuck on.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

And neither is crying like a spoiled brat in a candy store.

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Can you suck SE toe's somewhere else? I need to complain so the dear devs listen to my opinion please.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

Can you suck SE toe's somewhere else? I need to complain so the dear devs listen to my opinion please.

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Which dev's the mogstation devs or the Ff14 devs? Also which executive you complaining to Yoshi or the lady in charge of the MOG station who scares yoshi?

I don't think it's outlandish to ask for activates on a higher scale like Variant Savage and BLU that requires 3 fights at a MINE level to have a mount and not just a title. I completely understand that Online stores aren't going anywhere and I've made peace with it. But BLU's last two updates have only been titles and Variant Savage is STILL only materia (and a housing item) as a reward.

I really do believe that this is what upsets many people. If we could just compromise rather than fight among each other, we'd probably have a better understanding.

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Originally Posted by ThatQEDguy

I don't think it's outlandish to ask for activates on a higher scale like Variant Savage and BLU that requires 3 fights at a MINE level to have a mount and not just a title. I completely understand that Online stores aren't going anywhere and I've made peace with it. But BLU's last two updates have only been titles and Variant Savage is STILL only materia (and a housing item) as a reward.

I really do believe that this is what upsets many people. If we could just compromise rather than fight among each other, we'd probably have a better understanding.

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FF14 dev team and yoshi --->
<----- mog devs and scary lady

I agree

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Originally Posted by ThatQEDguy

I don't think it's outlandish to ask for activates on a higher scale like Variant Savage and BLU that requires 3 fights at a MINE level to have a mount and not just a title. I completely understand that Online stores aren't going anywhere and I've made peace with it. But BLU's last two updates have only been titles and Variant Savage is STILL only materia (and a housing item) as a reward.

I really do believe that this is what upsets many people. If we could just compromise rather than fight among each other, we'd probably have a better understanding.

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Yup, I think this is the crux of what's pissing people off. On a purely objective level it's just 2 cash shop mounts since 6.4 (big shb dog and 2seater bike) but it comes on the heels of learning that blu's not getting a mount and savage variant is totally unchanged despite the overwhelming feedback begging for better rewards. And then there's the price, which is like the cost of a really good steam game on sale lol. From an optics standpoint it's fucking terrible.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

And then there's the price, which is like the cost of a really good steam game on sale lol.

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I bought Subnautica 1 and 2 for about $20ish total during the last Steam sale, I've already sunk 26 hours (EDIT: pretty sure this number is inflated by me going afk at times but the real number is probably still a lot) into the first game and it's been great. Assuming the second game is as good as the first, I got two amazing games for about half of the full price of the new mount. I can't see how anyone finds that price tag justifiable.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I bought Subnautica 1 and 2 for about $20ish total during the last Steam sale, I've already sunk 26 hours into the first game and it's been great. Assuming the second game is as good as the first, I got two amazing games for about half of the full price of the new mount. I can't see how anyone finds that price tag justifiable.

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Plus you are doing exactly as our lord and savior say "play something else" /s
The price is not weird if you think about it. As long as people keep buying, they will keep pushing. This price say they sold more than expected of previous animated jpeg.
In our ideal world there is no need for a store...however, to be fair, it's not the worst store available on a online game. They do it because most of us allow and stimulate it. Star Citizen is a good example.

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Originally Posted by ThatQEDguy

I don't think it's outlandish to ask for activates on a higher scale like Variant Savage and BLU that requires 3 fights at a MINE level to have a mount and not just a title. I completely understand that Online stores aren't going anywhere and I've made peace with it. But BLU's last two updates have only been titles and Variant Savage is STILL only materia (and a housing item) as a reward.

I really do believe that this is what upsets many people. If we could just compromise rather than fight among each other, we'd probably have a better understanding.

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The real question is: where the money is going to? FFXVI? FFXVII? FFXIV 7.0 ultra mega blaster overhaul? SE's NFT games?

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

Yup, I think this is the crux of what's pissing people off. On a purely objective level it's just 2 cash shop mounts since 6.4 (big shb dog and 2seater bike) but it comes on the heels of learning that blu's not getting a mount and savage variant is totally unchanged despite the overwhelming feedback begging for better rewards. And then there's the price, which is like the cost of a really good steam game on sale lol. From an optics standpoint it's fucking terrible.

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If people want better game rewards then address the FF14 devs. Nothing will come from complaining about the mog items as the 14 dev has little to do with it. This thread if seen will simply be relayed to the mog station team and nothing will change in game simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Elissar

The real question is: where the money is going to? FFXVI? FFXVII? FFXIV 7.0 ultra mega blaster overhaul? SE's NFT games?

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Square Enix is a publicly traded company, so there's a pretty high chance that some of the money is paid out in dividends to shareholders and investors.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I love how everyone just completely ignored this btw. Im sorry DragonFlyy

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No need for an apology. I posted on the FFXIV Forums. Not like it isn't just a troll infested circle jerk /s

Hell I'm just adding to fuel myself :P

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I bought Subnautica 1 and 2 for about $20ish total during the last Steam sale, I've already sunk 26 hours into the first game and it's been great. Assuming the second game is as good as the first, I got two amazing games for about half of the full price of the new mount. I can't see how anyone finds that price tag justifiable.

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Below Zero isn't as good as the first, not even close.

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Originally Posted by EgilTheStressedMage

Below Zero isn't as good as the first, not even close.

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Welp, that sucks. Even if you're right though, one amazing game for a quarter of the price of an overpriced mogstation mount.

So basically in this thread:

A bunch of people living in capitalist countries and getting income from various sources that derive their revenue through capitalist practices are outraged that a for-profit company has chosen to engage in capitalism to earn profits.

Some irony there, don't you think?

Capitalism isn't pro-consumer and never has been. It has always been pro-business. It takes governments passing laws and regulations to keep businesses in check so consumers can at least buy items determined to be necessities at reasonable prices. [note: virtual items in online games are not necessities] Anything not covered by those laws and regulations becomes fair game. Companies can charge what they want.

Competition between businesses can help to keep prices lower so consumers benefit but where those prices end up will depend on the consumers. As long as enough consumers are willing to pay a certain price, that is what a business is going to charge because that's the capitalist way. They have no need to lower the price, it goes against their interests. If they lower a price it's either because they're trying to entice consumers into spending more money, competition has forced them to do it to maintain market share, or the product is a failure that they're trying to unload to get what they can.

It doesn't matter what you personally think is or is not a fair price when others are going to pay that price happily. Either pay, hope someone is willing to buy the item for you, or go without. That's the reality of your situation.

If you don't like SE's business practices (or their products/services for that matter), then what on earth are you doing here giving them money instead of taking your business to companies with practices, products and/or services you believe in? If you want pro-consumer reform, you're not accomplishing anything by giving money to companies you consider anti-consumer.

As for how much of FFXIV's revenue (whether subscription, cash shop, merchandise sales, etc.) gets reinvested into the game, we have no way of knowing beyond what they choose to say to us. We know something gets invested back into the game because it couldn't exist otherwise. Think that amount should be more? Tough luck. We have no say in the matter. Their beancounters are going to make the decision.

Anyway, thanks for all the whine and cheese. It's been a decent repast for the day.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

So basically in this thread:

A bunch of people living in capitalist countries and getting income from various sources that derive their revenue through capitalist practices are outraged that a for-profit company has chosen to engage in capitalism to earn profits.

Some irony there, don't you think?

Capitalism isn't pro-consumer and never has been. It has always been pro-business. It takes governments passing laws and regulations to keep businesses in check so consumers can at least buy items determined to be necessities at reasonable prices. [note: virtual items in online games are not necessities] Anything not covered by those laws and regulations becomes fair game. Companies can charge what they want.

Competition between businesses can help to keep prices lower so consumers benefit but where those prices end up will depend on the consumers. As long as enough consumers are willing to pay a certain price, that is what a business is going to charge because that's the capitalist way. They have no need to lower the price, it goes against their interests. If they lower a price it's either because they're trying to entice consumers into spending more money, competition has forced them to do it to maintain market share, or the product is a failure that they're trying to unload to get what they can.

It doesn't matter what you personally think is or is not a fair price when others are going to pay that price happily. Either pay, hope someone is willing to buy the item for you, or go without. That's the reality of your situation.

If you don't like SE's business practices (or their products/services for that matter), then what on earth are you doing here giving them money instead of taking your business to companies with practices, products and/or services you believe in? If you want pro-consumer reform, you're not accomplishing anything by giving money to companies you consider anti-consumer.

As for how much of FFXIV's revenue (whether subscription, cash shop, merchandise sales, etc.) gets reinvested into the game, we have no way of knowing beyond what they choose to say to us. We know something gets invested back into the game because it couldn't exist otherwise. Think that amount should be more? Tough luck. We have no say in the matter. Their beancounters are going to make the decision.

Anyway, thanks for all the whine and cheese. It's been a decent repast for the day.

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Bruh just say you like toes and leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

So basically in this thread:

A bunch of people living in capitalist countries and getting income from various sources that derive their revenue through capitalist practices are outraged that a for-profit company has chosen to engage in capitalism to earn profits.

Some irony there, don't you think?

Capitalism isn't pro-consumer and never has been. It has always been pro-business. It takes governments passing laws and regulations to keep businesses in check so consumers can at least buy items determined to be necessities at reasonable prices. [note: virtual items in online games are not necessities] Anything not covered by those laws and regulations becomes fair game. Companies can charge what they want.

Competition between businesses can help to keep prices lower so consumers benefit but where those prices end up will depend on the consumers. As long as enough consumers are willing to pay a certain price, that is what a business is going to charge because that's the capitalist way. They have no need to lower the price, it goes against their interests. If they lower a price it's either because they're trying to entice consumers into spending more money, competition has forced them to do it to maintain market share, or the product is a failure that they're trying to unload to get what they can.

It doesn't matter what you personally think is or is not a fair price when others are going to pay that price happily. Either pay, hope someone is willing to buy the item for you, or go without. That's the reality of your situation.

If you don't like SE's business practices (or their products/services for that matter), then what on earth are you doing here giving them money instead of taking your business to companies with practices, products and/or services you believe in? If you want pro-consumer reform, you're not accomplishing anything by giving money to companies you consider anti-consumer.

As for how much of FFXIV's revenue (whether subscription, cash shop, merchandise sales, etc.) gets reinvested into the game, we have no way of knowing beyond what they choose to say to us. We know something gets invested back into the game because it couldn't exist otherwise. Think that amount should be more? Tough luck. We have no say in the matter. Their beancounters are going to make the decision.

Anyway, thanks for all the whine and cheese. It's been a decent repast for the day.

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aint reading all that

tldr :

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhepzHDUUAIG40I.jpg

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

whatever this 12 page college essay above here is

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https://iea.org.uk/wp-content/upload...4-9faefa-1.jpg

Actual "Yet you participate in society" moment.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

tldr :
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhepzHDUUAIG40I.jpg

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I was torn between either picking that meme or the society one lol

Just Meme.
The Best and more intelligent Rebuttal lol

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

aint reading all that

tldr :

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhepzHDUUAIG40I.jpg

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

https://iea.org.uk/wp-content/upload...4-9faefa-1.jpg

Actual "Yet you participate in society" moment.



I was torn between either picking that meme or the society one lol

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Bruh just say you like toes and leave it at that.

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They would if you and everyone else admitted to producing salt

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Originally Posted by Elissar

The real question is: where the money is going to? FFXVI? FFXVII? FFXIV 7.0 ultra mega blaster overhaul? SE's NFT games?

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Read the tags.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

They would if you and everyone else admitted to producing salt

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Complain all you like about the "salt", but the "saltlords" aren't the ones siding with corpos.