The feeling of beeing Home ...

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

Welcome to the tea resistance group. :)

We didn't start this war, but we're gonna end it lol

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Id like to announce the arrival of the United Cider Republic.

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Originally Posted by Treesus

Id like to announce the arrival of the United Cider Republic.

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Coffee is blood, coffee is life! Cider is over!

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Originally Posted by BRVV

Don't enjoy the story of the themepark MMO? Just quit! I thought this was an interactive game, not a TV show. You can like the gameplay and hate (parts) of the story.

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I fail to see the part where see posted the stuff she likes.
BUt hey, maybe you're seeing things I'm not

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Originally Posted by KatieConnr

Coffee is blood, coffee is life! Cider is over!

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Id also like to announce the Cider republic no longer recognizes the authority of the Geneva convention when dealing with coffee aligned combatants.

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Originally Posted by Treesus

Id also like to announce the Cider republic no longer recognizes the authority of the Geneva convention when dealing with coffee aligned combatants.

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No Quarter will be given to those under the flag of the cider. Any officers found leading forces for the Cider will be summarily Coffee'd and Feathered.

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Originally Posted by KatieConnr

No Quarter will be given to those under the flag of the cider. Any officers found leading forces for the Cider will be summarily Coffee'd and Feathered.

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Your cities and capitals will be flooded with hard cider, and the flames will be set, that you may know the true power of Cider.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Hoo boy, this again. Seems like we can't swing a stick without hitting half a dozen threads about how the game sucks these days.

I don't get why people keep paying for a game they don't enjoy. Seems silly. But hey, do whatever you want, it's your money to burn.

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because they're weak. They keep promising to leave but they don't.
Fine. Their money shall grease the wheels they hate.
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Originally Posted by Treesus

Id like to announce the arrival of the United Cider Republic.

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I don't drink it but Cider is much better than Coffee so I am ok with this announcement.

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Originally Posted by Treesus

Your cities and capitals will be flooded with hard cider, and the flames will be set, that you may know the true power of Cider.

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I think there may be potential for a Cider-Tea alliance.

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...917.1654817530

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I don't drink it but Cider is much better than Coffee so I am ok with this announcement.

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Thats it! your on the most wanted list

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Originally Posted by KatieConnr

Thats it! your on the most wanted list

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You assume I wasn't already as the de facto leader of the Tea Resistance Movement. :cool:

And this thread is now a perfect example of the white knight's gatekeeping. Derailing threads containing anything they disagree with is one of their sad little pass-times.

OP, ignore those telling you to quit, do leave or take a break if you WANT to but NOT because of abuse from the ever-so "Great Community BTW!". You're not the only one dissatisfied with EW, many have left, others stay for other reasons other than MSQ. Do whichever you need to do, including saying what made you unhappy about any part of the game. Yoshi-P himself has said complaints are worth more than compliments in business.

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Originally Posted by Fiel_Tana

And this thread is now a perfect example of the white knight's gatekeeping. Derailing threads containing anything they disagree with is one of their sad little pass-times.

OP, ignore those telling you to quit, do leave or take a break if you WANT to but NOT because of abuse from the ever-so "Great Community BTW!". You're not the only one dissatisfied with EW, many have left, others stay for other reasons other than MSQ. Do whichever you need to do, including saying what made you unhappy about any part of the game. Yoshi-P himself has said complaints are worth more than compliments in business.

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I thought it was a perfect example of people not giving a shit :D

You missed the part where they're subbed for another 80 days with 9 retainers. One does not simply walk away from that :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Fiel_Tana

And this thread is now a perfect example of the white knight's gatekeeping. Derailing threads containing anything they disagree with is one of their sad little pass-times.

OP, ignore those telling you to quit, do leave or take a break if you WANT to but NOT because of abuse from the ever-so "Great Community BTW!". You're not the only one dissatisfied with EW, many have left, others stay for other reasons other than MSQ. Do whichever you need to do, including saying what made you unhappy about any part of the game. Yoshi-P himself has said complaints are worth more than compliments in business.

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Everyone has been replying to what OP said, and has basically been waiting on any sort of response from them. Forgive us, almighty form moderator, for daring to veer off into any other subject that happens to come up while we wait for basically any reply. Truly, we heathens of coffee, tea, and cider are the true horror of the forms for not continuing to mald repeatedly in the everlasting war of loving or hating this game. We apologize for not using the forms to your specific instructions, and having any thoughts outside the one that started the thread, even if the person who started it hasent replied to anything in a fair while. In the future, we will do our best to never have any casual conversation, and all comments and concerns outside of the very deadset point will be utterly ignored, that we may not sully your so holy thread of anger.

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Originally Posted by Treesus

Everyone has been replying to what OP said, and has basically been waiting on any sort of response from them. Forgive us, almighty form moderator, for daring to veer off into any other subject that happens to come up while we wait for basically any reply. Truly, we heathens of coffee, tea, and cider are the true horror of the forms for not continuing to mald repeatedly in the everlasting war of loving or hating this game. We apologize for not using the forms to your specific instructions, and having any thoughts outside the one that started the thread, even if the person who started it hasent replied to anything in a fair while. In the future, we will do our best to never have any casual conversation, and all comments and concerns outside of the very deadset point will be utterly ignored, that we may not sully your so holy thread of anger.

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drink water

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Originally Posted by hagare

drink water

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Look I may be a horrid form topic derailer, but im not a water drinking heretic. Thank you very much.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Can't say I'm particularly excited to follow Garlemald's story as it transitions into yet another republic.

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That's like being frustrated that superman saves yet another person. It's the heroic thing our character does as the hero in the story.

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Originally Posted by Rulakir

Now I definitely feel there is no story 'hook', especially as the "new adventure" seems to be everything returning to the status quo

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Give it time. Yoshi-P wanted us to see a normal life where the world wasn't being threatened for once. My guess is that they plan to send us to The New World, Meracydia or Corvos and land us into something complicated.

New lore is already being created with the story of an old dragon and the 13th. Meracydia plays a role in that history. We already have some lore on the new world from the blue mage quests and it would be easy to drop us into something there.

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Originally Posted by Fiel_Tana

And this thread is now a perfect example of the white knight's gatekeeping. Derailing threads containing anything they disagree with is one of their sad little pass-times.

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You do have to admit though. Of all the times that the GCBTW has derailed a thread,

This is one of the funniest lol

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

You do have to admit though. Of all the times that the GCBTW has derailed a thread,

This is one of the funniest lol

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Unfortunate my gigabrain plan of starting a mini war over drinks to distract people from hating the game was found out. I would have gotten away with it too if it wasent for that darn catgirl!

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

That's like being frustrated that superman saves yet another person. It's the heroic thing our character does as the hero in the story

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you say it like there aren't people who think that and want supes to more like homelander.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Give it time. Yoshi-P wanted us to see a normal life where the world wasn't being threatened for once. My guess is that they plan to send us to The New World, Meracydia or Corvos and land us into something complicated.

New lore is already being created with the story of an old dragon and the 13th. Meracydia plays a role in that history. We already have some lore on the new world from the blue mage quests and it would be easy to drop us into something there.

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can't I just go on an adventure without being pulled away to save the world or something?
I picked Oschon because I want to travel dang it!
I actually liked getting someone drunk to get what I want! Wait....... >.>

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Originally Posted by Treesus

Look I may be a horrid form topic derailer, but im not a water drinking heretic. Thank you very much.

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drink water
https://c.tenor.com/Kpnt2vVnWT8AAAAC...gua-splash.gif

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Originally Posted by Treesus

Look I may be a horrid form topic derailer, but im not a water drinking heretic. Thank you very much.

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Hydrate or Die-drate :p

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Hydrate or Die-drate :p

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Id rather die on my feet then hydrate against my will.

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Originally Posted by Treesus

Unfortunate my gigabrain plan of starting a mini war over drinks to distract people from hating the game was found out. I would have gotten away with it too if it wasent for that darn catgirl!

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We all thought it was the Coffee Empire that started the war, but it was secretly the Cider Alliance!

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Originally Posted by hagare

you say it like there aren't people who think that and want supes to more like homelander.

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People do think that (even me), but it's just how superhero stories are and over the years it has become clear to me that SE sees this as a superhero story.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Over the years it has become clear to me that SE sees this as a superhero story.

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And that wasn't clear to you after you defeated three gods back in ARR?

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

People do think that (even me), but it's just how superhero stories are and over the years it has become clear to me that SE sees this as a superhero story.

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Which is precisely why they now stand to lose me as a consistent player, because after how generic ARR felt they did more with the story than that, only to fall back into it with Endwalker.

I want something deeper and more well crafted than this.

It's kind of a disconnect with me and a lot of the people I know from this forum, or what I read. People will outright quit over how the story is going, while I would prefer the story stays coherent and good, it isn't a make or break it for me. I do watch every cutscene and read every dialogue when I can, but it's sort of secondary for me. I am more concerned with rewards, content, customization, than I am the story. Bad take to many most definitely. I do have my opinions on the storyline, and agree with many, but the quality of the game going down overall is just more of a concern for me.

Additionally, I still haven't even done the storyline from the latest patch, the storyline after Endwalker. I haven't had Expert available in my roulette for months, nor have I done the most recent alliance raid - which I need to do since my weapon is garbage.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

it's just how superhero stories are and over the years it has become clear to me that SE sees this as a superhero story.

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I'll take a competent straightforward heroic tale any day over the irony poisoned, nihilism drenched and cheap, nonsensical "subverting expectations" dreck we usually get nowadays on most mediums.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Which is precisely why they now stand to lose me as a consistent player, because after how generic ARR felt they did more with the story than that, only to fall back into it with Endwalker.

I want something deeper and more well crafted than this.

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Agreed. Being a 'superhero' anything, like the devs think their story is for whatever reason, isn't an excuse for bad writing. I said the same thing with Marvel's trash. You can have epic moments that look really cool where we fight a literal god AND have a well written story behind it. There's a reason why the scene with Nidhogg on the bridge is liked so much. It's epic, has good visuals, and had a well crafted story behind it. Endwalker has... uh... no not that one... not that one either... Zodiark? Kinda? Not really great, but at least a little good? Yeah, this expansion was basically ARR 2. I'm surprised Endsinger didn't start lecturing us on our 'right to rule' or asking us for whom do we fight. At LEAST ARR had the excuse of being somewhat rushed to fix 1.0.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

And that wasn't clear to you after you defeated three gods back in ARR?

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It was clear to me very fast but they double-downed on it in the expansions. In Shadowbringers, we were finally teased as being a villain, but we weren't. But what makes it more clear than anything is actually the final boss music in dungeons and the quest battle music, which is hero music.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

Am I the only one who has no feelings for the Story of this Game anymore? :(

Before Endwalker I was interessed in Garlemald, the Ascians, the Ancients, maybe even the Twelve. I have read every single Text of every Quest, did Side Quests, Beast Tribes not for the Rewards, just for the Story. Explored Maps, Dungeons, Raids. I had the feeling I was part of Eorzea, I felt like Home.

Then came Endwalker and suddely all the Story before got trashed or changed akwardly. After that damage was done, after Garlemald got destroyed completly offscreen. All the Ascians, the Ancients got killed in the Name of Hydaelyn ... there is no Foe left. All that is left is the 0815 Scions.

The lying Lalafell Tataru Taru

The Fake Dead Queen Catgirl and SE's Postergirl Y'shtola Rhul

The lying Elezen Urianger Augurelt, who likes to plott behind our back

The forever griefing Midlander Hyur Thancred Waters

The smartass little Elezen Boy Alphinaud Leveilleur, never missing a chance to clench his Fist and his sister Alisaie Leveilleur, who cries whenever she can over the WoL

The joke Elezen Azure Dragon Estinien Varlineau, distant, showing never emotions

The wannabe Lalafell Scion Krile Mayer Baldesion ... god I hate it already that she becomes a part in our live in the future

The forever over the WoL fawning, ear wiggeling Catboy Graha Tia, which we get forced on us. He is more worse as Zenos had ever been.

After Endwalker I lost the feeling of Home, that I am a part of this Story of Eorzea. I have stopped to do Side Quests and if I do them, then I skip all Cutscenenes, all Text. I don't care anymore for the Story of this Game.

The next Story will be just some shit Plot from the Past, which cannot be changed. It is like Watching a Train Wreck. I don't know how to get that old feeling back where I felt I belong to this Story. It is depressing and sad.
I know many loved Endwalker but i did not. G'raha Tia is now everywhere, fawning over us and we can't say that he should piss off and leave us alone. That ruins my Game even more. I would leave the Game but right now I have 9 Full Retainers, paid for nearly 80 Days, and nearly 80 Days paid Gametime. So what can I do?

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I'm here to socialize and have fun.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I thought it was a perfect example of people not giving a shit :D

You missed the part where they're subbed for another 80 days with 9 retainers. One does not simply walk away from that :rolleyes:

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When SE said Endwalker will be delayed by 2 weeks, I only had 3 days of game time left at the time of the release date.
I played FFX 14 before because of the story and thought to myself "Just buy yourself game time for months, in this case 10 months" what can go wrong?
I didn't know Endwalker was going to be that bad. Wherever it was hyped by the release video, before that there were teaser videos, we travel to the moon YAY!
The sky is burning, so many monsters... Zenos, our enemy, is fighting against us with so many monsters in the background... it can only be great.
Or maybe not.
It was a lame story and Dynamis, Meteion and her sisters... what to make of that?
Then this needless killing of Zenos because SE was too lazy to write a story for him.
No we had to kill him because he's too dangerous... but in return we let the little blue bird fly away.
The only thing missing was that we waved goodbye. It just doesn't fit together.

There was definitely a chance to do something more interesting with Zenos, including a potential situation for him to join the party and force the scions to work with him. Despite my general dislike of his character, this would’ve added an interesting dynamic to the party and may have even redeemed him to a limited degree if something of greater substance was actually done with him besides merely being the protagonist’s foil.

I wonder who will be featured on the next poster in 7.0? We've already killed all the bad guys. Will it only be the Scions? Whoever it will be, we know he or she will die or is already dead.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

Then this needless killing of Zenos because SE was too lazy to write a story for him.
No we had to kill him because he's too dangerous...

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At the end of our fight with Zenos, to me, he didn't seem any deader than we were.
Plus, he's already demonstrated that he can transcend death.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

There was definitely a chance to do something more interesting with Zenos, including a potential situation for him to join the party and force the scions to work with him. Despite my general dislike of his character, this would’ve added an interesting dynamic to the party and may have even redeemed him to a limited degree if something of greater substance was actually done with him besides merely being the protagonist’s foil.

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After being constantly interrupted and kept from what he wanted, Zenos -was- eventually forced to cooperate and neither side cared for it. It didn't need to go any further than it did or happen any earlier. No redemption was needed. Plenty of characters (good and bad) have found redemption.

Zenos in EW just felt so wasted. He was around, but the story would have gone the same, if he wasn't. We didn't need to ride on him to beat Endsinger.
It honestly felt to me, like they had plans for him, which ultimately didn't make the cut.

I was so disappointed when Zenos didnt just straight up kill a scion using the WoL as a weapon. That wouldve been an amazing plot point but instead nothing happens lol. it feels like they had a really exciting plot in place, then 2/3rds through development decided to shed anything risque and make it all soft and safe instead

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Originally Posted by Treesus

Unfortunate my gigabrain plan of starting a mini war over drinks to distract people from hating the game was found out. I would have gotten away with it too if it wasent for that darn catgirl!

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Scooby dooby DOOOOOOOO!

I'm indifferent to the story. There are emotionally impactful elements to it for sure. It has highs and lows, but ultimately I have little overall investment into it. Fact of the matter is the amount of time spent questing, especially in regards to the MSQ is such a significantly small fraction in comparison to what fills out the rest of my daily activities. IOW, we spend a far greater amount of time just being adventurers than we do being the WoL, and it is the adventuring portion that has my commitment.

That's why I loved it so much when Zenos finally appealed to my adventuring side in order to finally get me to fight him, and why I enjoyed him so much as a character and villain. He made me want to get stronger far more than any ilv patch that has come about through FFXIV lifespan. I really wish the devs would of gave us the option to respond to him, "You can only beat me in a scripted fight." With Zenos responding, "We'll see, adventurer." That would have been so perfect.

Anywho, it is also cumbersome because in order to enjoy the MSQ at my own pace, I have to avoid any FFXIV related content on the internet so I don't catch a spoiler. So don't get me wrong, I do enjoy doing the MSQ and I wish it could capture me more. There is just no way that will ever happen though due to the game's own circumstances.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

There was definitely a chance to do something more interesting with Zenos, including a potential situation for him to join the party and force the scions to work with him. Despite my general dislike of his character, this would’ve added an interesting dynamic to the party and may have even redeemed him to a limited degree if something of greater substance was actually done with him besides merely being the protagonist’s foil.

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Yes Im sure loads of players wouldve loved to have the guy who roofied you and violated your unconscious body in lv83 quest to be a party member, because that makes sense.
"Oh but redemption" no. It was bad enough we didnt get to kill the chick who poisoned us in hw, we dont need to let more wastes of life live. We already let Gaius and Fordola walk around happy as can be, Im sick of letting villains live.