Interesting, I actually haven't tried PLD on coincutter. I always play WAR for it and relay on 4700+ HP to get me though swings if Foresight, Featherfoot, Sent are all down since I face tank him. I figured with PLDs low HP there would be a good chance of oneshot if your ability's were all down if you were to face tank him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sceptre
When is PLD Getting Fixed So It Can Be a VIABLE Tank?
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06-01-2012, 06:43 PMAshiee
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06-01-2012, 06:46 PMFironI had to stop watching the vid your ls logo through out the whole vid annoyed me so i stopped watching.Quote:
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06-01-2012, 06:56 PMChardrizardYou can avoid everything alternatively, but guard proc often now for PLDs to stay alive for facetanking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashiee
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06-01-2012, 07:20 PMAceofspades
Realy? LMAO!
No, no, I agree, WAR dose awsome damage (when they are not tanking and can actually proc combos.... Hmm guess you could add vit, def , hp gear , but other then vit nothing defense orented helps WAR do dammage. Of course you could ballance WAR's def and dd stats in an attempt to make it work as a sub par dd / half decent tank, but why do that when you can go with an all out tank and replace that second healer, your war will absolutely need, with an all out DD... but what am I saying, that dosent make sense dose it... ;) -
06-01-2012, 07:25 PMAceofspadeslol, bet your healers have a fun time replacing that massive HP bar of yours every time it gets nearly depleted, makes me LOL everytime I see some poor sap with triple stacked hp teir 4 on sent or cobalt gear, how much gil you must've lost for an additional 180hp... soooo stupid. But if it works for you go with it, just sayin , kinda dumb.Quote:
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06-01-2012, 07:36 PMArkineYou know, I'm kinda curious to know what kind of gear are you using for your PLD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aceofspades
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06-01-2012, 07:43 PMAceofspades769 DEF 376vit somthing like 300+mind no buffs or food, with full part sit just under 4k hp and 100 tonze hits me on avg for 2500-3k max , that is if i dont get stone skin, sentinal, rampart, agieous boon, or devine veil off. just protect up and food wich boost def to 900+Quote:
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06-01-2012, 07:44 PMChardrizard
While he is on my side on defending PLD, it does make me wonder why have he not clear either CC or AV yet. lol
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06-01-2012, 07:48 PMArkineHm... interesting.Quote:
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06-01-2012, 07:54 PMAceofspades
if you were in sarg i would be more then happy to let you look, havent cleared either but tanked both mistress and chimera, not all fail runs can be blaimed on the tank, our LS is just now starting to learn the dungeon strats we are not as active as other players soo we dont have time to spam events till we perfect them. but we pick up fast enough for a bunch of casual players.
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06-01-2012, 08:55 PMCrystenYou're comparing two systems that were entirely different with one of them (XI's) being horribly flawed. I will totally agree that in XI, PLD needed the DPS/low delay weapons to keep hate because that's basically how the system forced us to play (hit fast, keep at the enmity cap more often). As far as I understand the system right now, there is no enmity cap and hate doesn't decay as much as it did in XI, but feel free to correct me if I'm misunderstanding this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duelle
This puts XIV PLD square in the "abilty spam" area - the amount of hate abilities it has compared to WAR means that there're going to be very few instances you'll be actively DPSing unless you're doing something horribly wrong.
And your argument falls flat on it's face. 3/5 abilities that PLD gets focus around party support and protection. Holy Succor heals two people at once. Cover (outside of MP whoring) is a last gasp protection. Divine Veil allows a Regen for your entire party. If you're claiming to me with a straight face that PLD isn't designed to be somewhat akin to a back up healer in the absolute worst case scenario, then I've no idea what to tell you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duelle
It sounds to me like you're just wanting a faceroll tank and a DPS tank to play, and you don't wish to play PLD a certain way. That's cool, but your MRD/WAR is level 20 - you'd better hop to it cos I know what job you need to level next.
TL:DR - what you envision PLD is and want it to be are completely different to the way the class is currently designed to be. There are two viable tanks now - you've just levelled the wrong one. -
06-01-2012, 08:58 PMColino
I'm in agreement with Crysten.
I mean I'm no tanking expert but as far as I know the big PLD/WAR difference is that bringing a PLD along SOMETIMES can allow you to run with one less WHM, which is quite useful. I just don't see many people doing it out of fear (and it does make PLD even harder to play). -
06-01-2012, 09:40 PMDzianA problem with this is when people already have been and still do run things WAR WHM 6xDD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colino
Does that then mean with a Paladin you can run PLD 7xDD? (1 less WHM)
Don't get me wrong I love the changes they've made to PLD but with it's current MP it cant really act as anything more than an "oh sh**!!" healer on anyone other than him/herself.
Paladin is alot better but Outmanouvere Cover and Wardrum and still fairly cack. The reasons for which have been mentioned more times than i care to count.
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06-01-2012, 09:41 PMColinoYeah fair enough, I understand if you're used to running with just 1 WHM already bringing the PLD won't benefit you much if at all.Quote:
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06-01-2012, 09:51 PMChardrizardI really want to know on what instance you regularly only brings 1 WHM.Quote:
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06-01-2012, 10:24 PMDzian
big difference between regularly and possibly of which a huge contributing factor is how many people in the group do i know or trust.. personally solo healed ifrit mog batraal... still quite new to av cc and stuff but i run things with friends more than simply hardcore grind the crap out of everything.
buttttt when you flick through the hundreds (and there probably are hundreds by now) of topics about pld-war it's seemingly very common for the more hardcore groups to run 1whm. -
06-01-2012, 11:17 PMEagleheart
No one ever has an answer prepared when the "Why does Paladin enable the replacement of a White Mage in the party roster on a run?" question is trotted out. I say this without any rancor, the subject comes up often, and it always ends in the same way.
The meme survives by the question not being answered. Garuda is established. <.< No one ever has an answer for any other event. Once I've seen the a reply along the lines of "Well, take a Paladin and a Thaumaturge instead of a Black Mage, and you can fit in an extra bard and you've replaced the White Mage", but that is not actually Paladin enabling the switch.
The cardinal rule to remember here is that you do not bring a second White Mage for the tank, be it Warrior or Paladin.
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06-02-2012, 12:39 AMSkiesTheoretically, and I cannot speak from experience here, but according to what i've seen answered and what would be most logical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagleheart
Is that you don't replace the party's white mage. You replace the Tank's white mage.
Although on a melee heavy environ, the Paladin would have sufficient healing capacity to off-heal and thus take up party healing duty from the second white mage, because they wouldn't be getting damage too often to begin with. -
06-02-2012, 12:46 AMEagleheartPaladin survivability is not sufficient to be independent of a dedicated healer.Quote:
Theoretically, and I cannot speak from experience here, but according to what i've seen answered and what would be most logical.
Is that you don't replace the party's white mage. You replace the Tank's white mage.
Although on a melee heavy environ, the Paladin would have sufficient healing capacity to off-heal and thus take up party healing duty from the second white mage, because they wouldn't be getting damage too often to begin with.
Paladin MP is insufficient to maintain the party's HP pool for any appreciable length of time, and by appreciable, I mean after the first minute and a half, considering an ether and some Ballad in the mix.
The Paladin in question would also be hit by whatever AOEs are damaging the melee, necessitating healing the Paladin themselves, as well as the melee.
Paladin does not have three thousand MP, or the capacity to rest MP during safe periods in an extended engagement. Paladin is supposed to be redline hate, so they cannot rest for MP, and if the Paladin is not redline hate, then they are a waste of a party slot, better served by a Bard (healing, DDing, actual support capability) or a straight-up DD (superior damage output), or, amusingly, a second White Mage, who will deal superior damage with superior MP restoration capacity, and vastly superior healing capacity.
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06-02-2012, 01:38 AMZantetsukenYou don't sub out your 2nd WHM for just anything.. you need to sub it for a BRD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagleheart
BRD is solid DD, it can refresh PLD MP, and it can do spot healing on the PLD if needed.
The true comparison is:
WAR+(2nd)WHM
If designed properly, PLD+BRD should survive better, do more damage, and hold hate better than WAR+WHM vs Single IT++ boss mobs (Garuda, Ifrit, Coin Counter, Chimera, etc..)
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06-02-2012, 02:26 AMEagleheartIncidentally, the bold portion of your post is the reason for the existence of these threads. O.o Not designed properly. That's the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zantetsuken
The follow-up question, then, to the substance of the post is this: Exactly why does the Paladin permit the addition of a Bard, and the removal of the extra White Mage? A single White Mage is sufficient to cure a Warrior against the same single NMs a Paladin tanks. Garuda can be safely tanked by WAR and a single WHM, established long ago.
Ifrit's damage is not a problem against a warrior - it's a problem against the party, cracks and lava pools, Sear. Paladin MP isn't keeping up with that, so the party dies. Paladin's still kicking, but who cares? The party isn't. Good luck killing Ifrit on Spirits Within. o.o
Coincounter will oneshot any melee anyhow, so the argument can be made that all that is needed for Coincounter is a Bard with raise, sure - but a Warrior can, and does, tank Coincounter with a single White Mage just the same as a Paladin. (o.O )
We are left with Chimera, which I, personally, have not gone to. I hear good reports on Paladin versus Chimera due to Warrior's DPS being pretty bad on Chimera, so I am willing to concede that point, if only because I have no experience to post with. I cannot contend what I have not personally experienced.
The problem has never been the healing on the tank, the extra mage is there for the party. Paladin isn't changing that. Our Holy Succor isn't keeping the party alive against cracks or lava pools, nor is it keeping the party alive against Pom Flares, nor is it keeping the party alive against 100 tonze swing, (an unfair test, to be sure, but Coincounter was indeed mentioned) nor is it keeping the party alive against poison in the Vale... nor against any future content featuring strong attacks that damage the party, as well as, or instead of, the tank.
Edit: As an aside, Bards are already a given in a good party. (>.> ) Seriously, who goes to raid Vale, or do Garuda, or Moogle, or Ifrit, without a Bard? No one. ._.; -
06-02-2012, 02:51 AMJudge_XeroThat basically sums it up.Quote:
You don't sub out your 2nd WHM for just anything.. you need to sub it for a BRD.
BRD is solid DD, it can refresh PLD MP, and it can do spot healing on the PLD if needed.
War + WHM vs PLD + BRD would be very interesting testing.
Although I could already guess the results.
WAR + WHM would rock multiple mobs
PLD + BRD would rock a single mob
Or would BRD's burst damage be enough to take out multiple mobs, while PLD holds enmity?
Also going to confirm that PLD is better/equivalent on Ifrit now than War for Tanking. With the right rotation, DPS is also pretty high. -
06-02-2012, 03:08 AMDuelleThe reason I bring up the system from XI is because the intent for XIV's PLD at the moment keeps that design in mind and used it as a base/inspiration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crysten
I disagree here. Cooldowns are too long for that. Ability spam would be more like if War Drum was on a shorter cooldown, we had an additional AoE to use for groups of mobs, had probably one non-comboable ability on a short cooldown that could be used when nothing else is up and the class was not reliant on what would count as cooldowns in any other game (Sentinel, Rampart). If I wanted to finish copying prot warriors (which was largely the base for GLA and PLD gameplay), we should also get a proc that resets the cooldown of one of the abilities in our rotation.Quote:
This puts XIV PLD square in the "abilty spam" area - the amount of hate abilities it has compared to WAR means that there're going to be very few instances you'll be actively DPSing unless you're doing something horribly wrong.
There's a massive difference between supplemental healing and the tank doing part of the healer's job. The thing about that is supplemental healing is very much doable, provided you're ranged or melee DPS because you have less to look out for than the tank does, the fact that supplemental means that the party doesn't get screwed if you don't/can't do it notwithstanding.Quote:
And your argument falls flat on it's face. 3/5 abilities that PLD gets focus around party support and protection. Holy Succor heals two people at once. Cover (outside of MP whoring) is a last gasp protection. Divine Veil allows a Regen for your entire party. If you're claiming to me with a straight face that PLD isn't designed to be somewhat akin to a back up healer in the absolute worst case scenario, then I've no idea what to tell you.
Trust me, that is going to butt heads with encounter design if they decide to make fights a lot more complex on the tank, which I hope they do. If they made Holy Succor instant-cast and gave it a longer cooldown, I might consider making suggestions on how to improve that part of the design. The developers have to take that first step, though.
You needlessly attempt to hurl insults. I don't want a faceroll tank. What I want is a tank that makes sense while keeping in mind that PLD and WAR have to be interchangable, along with any future additions to the tanking roster. And I mean interchangeable in PUGs and LS groups for all content. The same goes for healers and DPS.Quote:
It sounds to me like you're just wanting a faceroll tank and a DPS tank to play, and you don't wish to play PLD a certain way.
Instead, what we have is an attempt at a tank/healer hybrid, which goes against the first point (tanks being interchangable) and is going to cause trouble when content gets more difficult and when the developers start tossing in mechanics that affect the tank during boss fights (which again, I definitely want them to do). I agree with PLD having access to healing in some way, because that does come with the job (hence the access to Cure, Raise, Protect and Stoneskin).
That being said, I'll stand by my point on supplemental healing. Let the healers do their job. The tank is there to hold the mob and not die. And telling me to go play another job is not going to make that any less true. -
06-02-2012, 03:25 AMEagleheart(*'-') Another fine post in a steady line of fine posts. Carry on, good sir.Quote:
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06-02-2012, 04:11 AMZantetsukenExactly right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judge_Xero
If PLD+BRD is better than WAR+WHM at tanking large groups, then it is improperly balanced.
If WAR+WHM is better than PLD+BRD at tanking single heavy hitting mobs, then it too is improperly balanced (which was very much the case before the hotfix) -
06-02-2012, 04:40 AMJudge_XeroYeah. So, for the most part, PLD is a viable tank. It would be nice to have WAR and PLD equally good at both aspects of tanking, SOLO/MOBS. But with the limited number of skills in the game so far (as far as Jobs go) it would be tricky to balance with current and future content probably.Quote:
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06-02-2012, 05:48 AMDaniel_FuryI would generally agree with this but it depends.Quote:
Originally Posted by YuriSan
First of all, I would use spirits alot earlier.
Secondly, Flat blade combo is practically useless on Ifrit and Chimera, so I wont even use it there.
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06-02-2012, 07:03 AMEagleheartQuick reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by YuriSan
(A. Rotation
Sentinel doesn't increase enmity of actions, only damage, at this time. This is, or should be, common knowledge. That you can write a post so condescending while not knowing the actual nature of the abilities you are using is both annoying and amusing. (>.> ) You ought to use Sentinel closer to your combos.
(B. Food
No, really? Eat accuracy food or defense food. Goodness, that's a heck of a tip. Before now, we were all using magic attack bonus. I'm glad you were around to shed some light on matters.
Personally, accuracy food is always best in my opinion. <.< Missing Flat Blade sucks. A lot.
(C. Use gear relevant to your job.
Holy hot damn. I never would have guessed. Using gear that improves your primary mods for autoattack/weaponskills, or increase your maximum HP as a tank?
The deuce. All this time, the piety rings were doing nothing for me. I am astonished.
Shields are a debatable point. (o.O ) Paladin is advertised as being primarily used to reduce damage taken, and make the party capable of utilizing less healing, and stacking on heavier DDs. While I do not actually disagree with your choices, your advice to "ignore better block capability" seems to be at odds with Paladin's primary feature as a tank, that is, taking less damage. Balancing between offensive and defensive capacity is indeed a delicate art.
The assumption that no one's giving time towards making their Paladin primo quality except the esteemed Yuri San is hilarious. Further, your lack of understanding on how Sentinel actually works at present (also noted in another Paladin thread) in tandem with your comment about "not knowing what u talking about" would seem to be a good reason for you to shut your yap.Quote:
It is all in your skills to be a good tank on PLD.
Stop bitchin' about PLD not being a good tank if u havent given it the time needed
to actually get good at it.
If you don't really know what u talking about stop talking, you missinform people that might
actually be interrested in being a PLD tank.
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06-02-2012, 07:14 AMSkiesActually, I think he meant "With as many force-block and enhance-block-rate skills as you got, focus on shields which reduce more damage instead of shields that make you block more often".Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagleheart
That said, given the latest upgrade in the block rate algorithm, which seems to make each 5 Block Rate giving 1% and each 10 Dex giving 1% (plus the dLVL modifier, that should be -26% on a primal), you can get a pretty damn decent block rate on most if not all things you'll fight.
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06-02-2012, 07:24 AMEagleheartQuote:
Originally Posted by Skies
Aye, I was reading some interesting data on that earlier today in another thread on BG. My question was whether or not DEX gloves, rather than STR, would be a good idea for a Paladin.
I'm not sold on the idea, because, especially after the crit rate changes, DD are pretty darn quick to take hate if you're not at the top of your game. (o.- ) I can't see myself throwing my STR gloves out for DEX.
Canopus shield's 2 STR vs. 10 enmity, though, seems a poor exchange, even if you're sitting on a full HDL set. (o.O ) Vintage +1 has the same block rate, and 2 higher block than Thormoen's, but 5 MND may be worth trading off the 10 enmity. Not sure, leaning to no on that one, as well. >.> Ul'dah scutum is a bit different. Stuff is situational, but in most scenarios, my tanking philosophy is (A. keep hate, (B. mitigate damage.
Difference in taste there, perhaps. In any event, my problem is not only what he's saying (partly), but how he's saying it. -
06-02-2012, 10:02 AMChardrizard
You can materia Vintage+1 which makes them way more useful than enmity+10 which really only increase your enmity by 1%.
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06-02-2012, 10:11 AMAlerithI find even one piece with +10 Enmity to be useful. Sure, it may only be 1%, but when it stacks with everything else, it actually means quite a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chardrizard
PLD AF (+10) with Thormoen's Puprose (+10), Materia Cobalt Plate Belt (+20), Coral Armillae +1 (+10) and Stonewall Earrings (+10), this gives a decent +60 Enmity, or 6%.
6% additional enmity from a Spirit's Within just from using basic gear (the belt being a single meld), is a very nice boost, and since it applies to all actions, that's still 6% more enmity you have over your mages and DD (not factoring in their own +/- enmity gear.)
I personally find it useful. You can certainly materia a Vintage to be better, sure. But this is the case with all meldable gear vs non-meldable. -
06-02-2012, 10:18 AMChardrizard
Oh i am not saying Thormoen's is useless, i am just weighin the trade-off between double defense/hp+ and enmity+10.
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06-02-2012, 10:38 AMEagleheartDefense has limited use against increasingly powerful enemies, so I, personally, lean towards double HP shields. Unfortunately, I have blown up all the double attempts so far. x.x Eventually, it might prove a spiffy option - just got to get the items to cooperate.Quote:
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06-02-2012, 11:24 AMViritess
I've just recently gotten my PLD to 50 and AF'ed so my experience is limited. I have no idea how it played prepatch.
I have tanked a couple non dungeon baddies though, and i so far have had little Enmity issues even as i start building a real tanking set. My limited complains of PLD, and GLD, compirse of 2 things though.
1. Low acc + low damage should never exsist in my opinion. Save Lower ACC for Higher burst weapons. Base ACC should be high if a class is using a low damage weapon. This would mean Gradual but conistant enmity gain for PLD/GLD normal attacks and enmity neutral WS. While a 2hander tank like warrior would have a more bursty Enmity gain.
I also think it fits the theme also, Higher defencive tank, slow and steady.
2. There are a few skills i question just why they need to stay seperate skills.
Aegis Boon and Outmanuver could, with some slight tweaking be rolled into one. If the issue is the cooldown, keep the boon cooldown, and switch the TP gain to "For X number of blocks" Why? Because most often if your going to garuntee yourself a block, its prudent to get TP from it since its garunteed. 100% chance to block 100% chance for TP. I can see some reasons to use them seperately, but few if any that would really outweigh using them together nearly all the time.
The second one that comes to mind is more debateable because there is is some use to having them seperate, however myself, and as evidenced in this thread by rotation/priority lists they almost always used together: Flash and Sentinel.
If Flash gained enmity, and Boosted Enmity for all actions following (and perhaps a built in boost to either to the initial Flash itself, OR my preferance: When the effect of boosted enmity ends, a small amount of enmity is applied to all enmies effected by Flash)
while this would slightly simplifiy some skills having an enmity boost on end of duration would also put extra thought in when to use this should you be in need of tank switching. But also give you a chance to grab an enemy back if it just barely pulls off of you, giving you a momentary ping-pong between perhaps a DPS and yourself which could be extreamly fun to try and time/manage between a group for the best effect.
Number 2 is suggested not only because it seems to be how most of these skills are used anyway, but also because it could let folks perhaps do something more interesting a little sooner in the Hate gathering/defence button mashing moments. And because the "Multi squat taunt" i start every tanking session with while hilarious, is kinda silly.
May also make a little room for some new Skills to be added in their place. I vote for a Multi squat taunt skill. Shake Dat Ass. -
06-02-2012, 12:40 PMEremor
I'm also somewhat new to the PLD game, the most noticable problem so far has been the low accuracy, no job should regularly miss WS on level 52 mobs with accuracy rings and accuracy melded sword. However I had some different changes in mind.
Firstly the most important reason I can see for keeping Aegis Boon and Outmaneuver separate is the fact that you can shield block some mobs WS moves, when you pop Aegis Boon when you see these moves going off it not only completely nullifies the WS it also restores much more HP then if you used it to block a normal hit. I like having it as a strategic reflex move, combining it with outmaneuver puts it into a regular skill cycle which means it would not be available to spot-block WSes or as a last ditch HP recovery move.
The two abilities I have an issue with are Sentinel and ... Tempered Will ...
Tempered Will just seems like a waste to me, yeah it's a reflex move like Aegis Boon, but you don't really get anything out of it. Since knockback effects no longer throw you halfway into the next zone it's little trouble to simply run back into place before the mob moves too far. Also since shield blocks nullify knockbacks anyway it's pretty much redundant with Divine Veil.
Sentinel is mostly just broken because it only generates Enmity with damage and not healing/provoke/flash/etc. Even if this were fixed I feel it still could be better.
I've seen some people recommending stances as a way to fix PLD and I'd like to submit the following idea for changing these abilities.
Sentinel: Increases accuracy and nullifies knockback effects when facing a single target, effect ends if you recieve damage from a source other then your current target. Cannot be used simultaneously with Tempered Will.
To keep the loss of damage reduction from sentinel from being too big of an issue, Rampart should be changed to a straight % damage reduction (probably ~20%). This would also help with party survival, since the defense bonus from rampart is fairly negligible now. Also obviously allow PLD to parry as well as block (even if at a lower rate then 2 handed weapons, not being able to at all is just stupid)
Tempered Will: Increases defense and block rate when facing multiple opponents, amount of increase varies with number of targets attacking you. Cannot be used simultaneously with Sentinel.
Enhanced Sentinel trait would be changed to increase accuracy bonus and restore some HP when a knockback is nullified.
As for AOE hate, Flat Blade could probably be replaced with Circle Blade that would have a similar effect (low damage, high enmity) but against all targets around you.
I kinda like the idea behind Riot Blade but it needs to be more useable. I hardly ever have 2000 TP and never have it when I loose hate, so it would be nice if the TP cost were reduced. (I also totally wish the animation was more like it's namesake from FFVIII)
Finally to address the MP issue I think just giving a slight increase to Outmaneuver and adding the MP recover inherently to Cover would be sufficient. The AF would then merely increase this effect, or maybe do something entirely different (AOE cover?) -
06-02-2012, 12:55 PMViritess
I can agree i woudln't want to remove the HP from Boon. I should have mentioned keeping the HP also and adding the TP. But i find it very rare that i'd hit Out-man without hitting Boon also since theres always the chance you wouldn't block. Perhaps i just have yet to face a situation where i saw a point to Out-man without Boon. Concidering the timers I usually have Boon again when Out-man is ready too.
Sentinel would be far more useful to both if ACC was high. Quick, low damage but high ACC hits with Increased Enmity would have an effect. But with misses as it is it can't see its full potential.
Far as Flatblade i'm not totally sure i'd want to replace it with an AOE. I've found it semi handy when other Enmity skills are on cooldown and i have some TP to spare to throw the attack on the secondary tanking target. Not to mention there are (and likely will be more) times when you really don't want to hit more then that single mob.
But perhaps if Riotblade underwent the Lower TP cost (and maybe some pre-req/ positioning changes) Having a chain combo choice of a multi hit single target attack or an AOE attack like circle blade could be an excellent spot for such a skill. -
06-02-2012, 01:23 PMChardrizard
Tempered Will has limited uses but it is very useful especially on Misser, it basically remove your weigh'd status effect from Misser's Bad breath, very very important to get into position quickly when Misser moves so you do not MPK your party when Misser.
Sentinel is very helpful i never see anyone complaining about it, it can serve really well as oshit button, especially when it comes to bosses and you do not have enough time to evade it, you either pop Sentinel or Aegis Boon, saves lifes.
I agree acc was an issue, i already starts to wear double acc rings though, so far have no issue at all sitting at 400 accuracy.
For Riot Blade, i would love positional correction but it's still fine as it is just now. It does 300-400 to Chimera, so i don't even need to combo it for it to be useful. It's a strong WS to begin with. -
06-02-2012, 02:12 PMBranniganOutmaneuver and Aegis Boon overwrite each other. I could maybe see the point in combining Outmaneuver and Divine Veil but I don't think it's really all that needed.Quote:
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06-02-2012, 03:05 PMLuciBlack
Give PLD Dual Wield.
Then he will be able to do more damage and be a more viable tank.