Is the new housing notice saying you can keep your money and get the house?

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

Would you promise to not complain about even further delays? Be honest.

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There has never been, nor will be, a situation where that would ever be true, just sayian, super sayian... ;)

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

Exactly. Despite them framing it as an apology, and it is to some degree, it's really more of a "let's just move on." Could they have devised some way to re-collect money from winners who took refunds before awarding them their house? Sure, but it would have likely involved even further work on a system that (hopefully) will never need that functionality again. Clearly it's not as simple as just "press the button to do the thing I want" despite what some people seem to believe it would be. It would also potentially mean a return to plot sales being open would taken even longer.
For all those complaining about the honour system payment, would you really be okay with waiting another month (or more) for some sort of resolution? Would you promise to not complain about even further delays? Be honest.

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I would rather they worked on a proper fix that is fair to everyone than shirk on putting in the work and calling it a day, yes.

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

I would rather they worked on a proper fix that is fair to everyone than shirk on putting in the work and calling it a day, yes.

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Weeeeell.....housing for all just isn't in the cards, so things already aren't fair. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But yeah, I wouldn't trust SE to implement a more involved system that ensured funds were redeposited without introducing more bugs. I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm ready for the next round of bidding to start.

Kudos to those who get a free house.

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Originally Posted by Atreides

I doubt that people affected by the bug get a free house if that happens there while be a whole other shitstorm on the rise.

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Nope, that's exactly what he said. In 6.2, there will be an NPC where you can 'voluntarily' give your money to the 'system'.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

housing for all

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I accept this fix.... :3.

What SE should do is those who get the house free could not decorate it til they pay the whole thing

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Why this is not the best solution:

What compensation is SE offering to those who had an entry on a plot affected by the bug and have been stressed out for the last month waiting to find out what is happening just to learn they lost?

They're not offering anything other than a big "guess it sucks to be you". Those players are now double losers because not only are they not getting a free house, they have to start the process over and will still have to pay should they finally get a house in a future lottery.

Also, someone who entered for a small and has been left waiting has been under the same stress as someone who entered for a large. Why does one player get only 3-4 million gil as compensation but the other gets 47-50 million?

Either compensate every player affected equally or compensate none. The worst response is to compensate only the winners and to do it disproportionately when all affected have been under the same stress.

I don't have an issue with SE offering the winners a grace period through the end of 6.2 to pay for the house if a refund had already been collected but they can't just let them have the house for free when some can't even get a house and others have to pay.

Hopefully this entire situation is a wake up call to SE on why they need to revamp the housing system entirely.

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excuse me? How long does it take to make 3 million versus how long does it take to make 50 million is your answer and why 50 million is given to those you gave the effort.

This is why we can't have things..

People are on arms because some got compensated with free 50m, and others didn't...

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Originally Posted by sagacious

excuse me? How long does it take to make 3 million versus how long does it take to make 50 million is your answer and why 50 million is given to those you gave the effort.

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Because the compensation has nothing to do with how long it took you to earn the gil in the first place.

The compensation is for players being left on hold for a month trying to find out whether or not they get the plot. That amount of time was the same for all affected players.

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Originally Posted by sagacious

You didn't add the benefits of this extra month of having a house, such as gardening and planting thavnarian seeds and then selling the onions for 1/2 a million each. You have an extra month to sell crystals, shards on the MB because of the gardening capacity. You have made millions while we wait and spend said gil on crystals you made gardening. You've had an extra month of growing your subs/airships and selling of the mats from said voyages. You have made exteriors that are going for millions on the MB. I know I purchased one for 3 million. We deserve a free house.

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Moronic take.

This would only be a valid point of view if there were enough houses for every player to purchase one, and a select few were stuck waiting a couple weeks. But this is not what happened, there is still a majority of players that do not have a house that want one, mean while you are getting one for free and self righteously stating you deserve it for waiting a couple weeks while other lottery winners didn't.

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Originally Posted by Mika_Zahard

I really don't see the trouble, SE's doing thst as a way to compensation those who got sffected by the 0 error.

Ya'll continue to blow up everything out of proportion...

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But the compensation is the team's work to let them keep their house, instead of releasing it.

With the state of the game overall (homogenization of classes, long waits for content and you don't get much, banning people for cosmetic mods, etc.) and now this joke of a solution to their incompetence when it came to housing (giving people free homes when the housing system is already quite cancerous), I don't really have much faith in these developers anymore.

It's a take. Your opinion is allowed to differ.

Why would they force it? It's free forced subscriptions for them.

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Originally Posted by Deedlit

Why would they force it? It's free forced subscriptions for them.

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Honestly? Yeah. I didn't even think about it from this angle. You have to continue to pay and play or your house is revoked, ya know, assuming they don't just turn off auto demolish for massive swathes of time on a whim like they are wont to do.

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Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo

With the state of the game overall (homogenization of classes, long waits for content and you don't get much, banning people for cosmetic mods, etc.) and now this joke of a solution to their incompetence when it came to housing (giving people free homes when the housing system is already quite cancerous), I don't really have much faith in these developers anymore.

It's a take. Your opinion is allowed to differ.

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Yeah it is quite sad the amount of incompetence. Also the fact people are defending this position is just worrying for the future of the game sad day indeed.

I couldn't believe this when I read it. I even remember responding to a player who was wondering if players would potentially get a free house out of this, and I said no effin way that's happening.

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I don't even know what they're thinking. I mean, a certain amount of compensation for their screw up is in order, but a free friggin plot? And using the honor system to rely on players to do the right thing?

I am really interested in how much gil gets poured into that NPC from the players.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I am really interested in how much gil gets poured into that NPC from the players.

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Tree fiddy max...

Highly doubt even 10% will use it, and of that I bet most would be doing it because they think they need to to keep their plot or something.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I couldn't believe this when I read it. I even remember responding to a player who was wondering if players would potentially get a free house out of this, and I said no effin way that's happening.

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I don't even know what they're thinking. I mean, a certain amount of compensation for their screw up is in order, but a free friggin plot? And using the honor system to rely on players to do the right thing?

I am really interested in how much gil gets poured into that NPC from the players.

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The whole thing is just off. It already didn't sit right with me that most of us who helped build the place will never get to live there. Now this

Let's be real here, people. This is an issue affecting, what, maybe a couple thousand players max across the entire game? It's hardly a big deal.

"But they get a free house!!" It's just gil. It practically rains from the sky as is.

This was the only logical and inevitable conclusion, with a simple "sorry for the inconvenience." I ain't even effected here, and I still say this is fair, for all the players that took their gil after the glitched results, before there was ever any word of "yeah, shit's broken, hold tight while we fix things."

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Let's be real here, people. This is an issue affecting, what, maybe a couple thousand players max across the entire game? It's hardly a big deal.

"But they get a free house!!" It's just gil. It practically rains from the sky as is.

This was the only logical and inevitable conclusion, with a simple "sorry for the inconvenience." I ain't even effected here, and I still say this is fair, for all the players that took their gil after the glitched results, before there was ever any word of "yeah, shit's broken, hold tight while we fix things."

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affects OCE quite heavily.

But you know.. 4 months of no housing and i get my large for free?

I think thats fair compensation.

I read this a little differently; that they were trying to say that continuing with the purchase of a house you had received a refund for was voluntary, and paying the NPC would allow you to return that refund so you could complete the purchase if you still wanted to - but you didn't have to complete the purchase.

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Originally Posted by Gaspodia

I read this a little differently; that they were trying to say that continuing with the purchase of a house you had received a refund for was voluntary, and paying the NPC would allow you to return that refund so you could complete the purchase if you still wanted to - but you didn't have to complete the purchase.

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NPC isn't there until 6.2, quite a few months off, and anyone who doesn't claim the house before the 27th/26th loses the willy-wonka ticket.

Wait, I’m sorry are we now complaining that Square is being too accommodating to those impacted by the bug.

What is wrong with these forums…

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Originally Posted by Shibi

NPC isn't there until 6.2, quite a few months off, and anyone who doesn't claim the house before the 27th/26th loses the willy-wonka ticket.

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Oh goodness, that changes the context quite a bit!

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

affects OCE quite heavily.

But you know.. 4 months of no housing and i get my large for free?

I think thats fair compensation.

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That's how I feel fair compensation for time lost ... "time is money"

For all the talks about people being egoistical and wont deposit the money back, I can still see there will be people who do that. Somewhere in Eorzea a cute lalafell had taken their refund, feels bad about it and decides to return the money. Not the full amount as they have bought stuffs with it but returns all they have left minus consumables money. Be like cute lalafell.

I'm a little confused. I see the value in the intended gold sink for the game economy, but what possible incentive would somehow have to donate thier refund if they ended up getting a house anyway? I think you gotta offer the players something or they just won't bother.

I think even something as simple as exclusive title like "Generous Donator" would be enough for people, though. (I think mounts or pets would be a bad idea, since people get really irate about pets or mounts that are super exclusive and impossible to ever get.)

the npc will collect your bid money and grant you the house; if you don't repay the gil, you won't get the house. I think the patch number needs to be corrected. I'm hoping that number is 6.1.2 instead of 6.2.

Can you imagine the outrage that is going to happen if this is a giant misunderstanding and people won't be getting free houses?

My popcorn is on standby. :x

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Originally Posted by EaraGrace

Wait, I’m sorry are we now complaining that Square is being too accommodating to those impacted by the bug.

What is wrong with these forums…

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It's pure and simple jealousy.

"Why yes, I do consider the free housing as compensation for the lottery bug and will accept it and move on. How could you tell?"

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

Moronic take.

This would only be a valid point of view if there were enough houses for every player to purchase one, and a select few were stuck waiting a couple weeks. But this is not what happened, there is still a majority of players that do not have a house that want one, mean while you are getting one for free and self righteously stating you deserve it for waiting a couple weeks while other lottery winners didn't.

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When I get a house I wassss going to build an airship/sub and make the exterior myself, but because of the housing zero I ended up buying the exterior for 3 million. I would have saved it and sold others I had made resulting lost profits of around 50 million gil. You don't understand the MB. Being first makes all the difference in who has 1000 or who has 1,000,000 gil. First to make exteriors is huge at 3 million a pop selling ten is 30 million gil do you understand this? If more people make the exterior what happens to the price? So the few extra weeks makes them millions and when I finally get to the board I make 1000's that's the difference .... and I quote "time is money" Who's take is moronic?

Not just salt... but Veruca Salt

on another matter....

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

...I think even something as simple as exclusive title like "Generous Donator" would be enough...

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There is a section of the achievement hunting playerbase who would fret that this title was forever out of their reach.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Not just salt... but Veruca Salt

on another matter....



There is a section of the achievement hunting playerbase who would fret that this title was forever out of their reach.

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Yeah, I just think upsetting the people who care about exclusive titles is a better idea than upsetting the people who care about exclusive mounts or pets. Since I think the intended goal is to remove gold from circulation, you gotta give players a reason to.

Though another option could be to reward people with a big fat stack of moogle tomestones that you could use to buy mounts or pets that could be obtained elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

...Since I think the intended goal is to remove gold from circulation...

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I don't think that's the goal. It's purpose is more likely to be as a way assuage the guilt some would have if they had a house for free.

Nothing more is needed than the NPC say "thank you very much".

Edit: I'd love for the NPC to be attached to the orphanage in Idyllshire, and a Miqitte'n be the one to say thank you. Nothing in return but a smile. (And also something unlocked later so everyone could experience for any amount of gil.)

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Originally Posted by Shibi

I don't think that's the goal. It's purpose is more likely to be as a way assuage the guilt some would have if they had a house for free.

Nothing more is needed than the NPC say "thank you very much".

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This is totally a Japanese Culture vs. Western Culture thing.

Japan will give the money out of guilt.

West will give the money but they need something in return, like an Achievement. Otherwise why would they?

EDIT: In response to your edit, very wholesome. Make the M'kitten take donations for that Children's Hospital in U'ldah that only appears once a year.

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

This is totally a Japanese Culture vs. Western Culture thing

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Na it's not. Heaps of people on the JP forums saying they will keep it, with likes. And heaps of people on Reddit saying they will hand it back or they would feel guilty.

I dont think you can generalise it as a west vs east thing - without it just being a generalisation.

Me... I will hand a large chunk of it to sprouts, to help them on their journey.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Na it's not. Heaps of people on the JP forums saying they will keep it, with likes. And heaps of people on Reddit saying they will hand it back or they would feel guilty.

I dont think you can generalise it as a west vs east thing - without it just being a generalisation.

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True, I guess I should have said SquareEnix as a Japanese Developer expects people to adhere to some kind of Honor System. I'm still wrapping my head around it. I'm happy to just consider it a form of compensation for their mistake and just wipe my hands of it.

I have a question can people affected by the zero bug still get refunds or is the system locked down at the moment?

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

This is totally a Japanese Culture vs. Western Culture thing.
Japan will give the money out of guilt.

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Weebs need to stop idolizing the Japanese community.

There are plenty of examples where JP acts the same as their NA/EU counterparts if not worse:

1. Since this is related to housing, people to this day claim that buying out wards/house hoarding/shell FCs is a NA/EU thing. The honorable JP would never do such a thing. Lodestone data shows that JP has a similar amount of bought out wards/house hoarding and shell FCs.

2. Some of the most popular JP house designers own multiple houses. But yet NA/EU people don't seem to have a problem with that.

3. Some NA people claim that NA is loud and toxic - JP can equally be toxic with community blacklists to ostracize and bully people.

I hope SE publishes the statistics of who returned the gil and includes things like region etc

tldr: There are good and bad people in all countries. Stop idolizing Japanese culture.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I have a question can people affected by the zero bug still get refunds or is the system locked down at the moment?

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Yes, anyone with a zero bug can still claim and the placard retains their entry. In terms of risk management there is a very-small-but-non-zero chance that the fix will bug out, but I think it's so very small as to be ignorable.