Ishgard Housing Details are Out

I'm too poor for land anyway so this lottery system doesn't affect me regardless.

I do hope it has the intended effect though.

Terrible design... Why not a lottery for the pool instead of individual? Welp can't own a house in RL or a game apparently. Less then 2% of demand has been met.....

No one is homeless
There is apartment and FC room and both of them are instanced.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

No one is homeless
There is apartment and FC room and both of them are instanced.

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Materia doesn't have housing at all. FC room is generally a big mistake, unless you know for sure your FC will not kick you if you take a 30 day holiday. And I believe there are no apartments left on Balmung.

So, not quite as black and white as you say.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Materia doesn't have housing at all. FC room is generally a big mistake, unless you know for sure your FC will not kick you if you take a 30 day holiday. And I believe there are no apartments left on Balmung.

So, not quite as black and white as you say.

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"Get an apartment" is just something people parrot even though they know it is NOT what people are asking for. At this point I almost consider it trolling.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

No one is homeless
There is apartment and FC room and both of them are instanced.

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How do I garden to level my chocobo? I could afford a med house for the current price.

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Originally Posted by Hawuhawuu

How do I garden to level my chocobo? I could afford a med house for the current price.

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You don't need a garden to level your chocobo. Just feed it onions while it's summoned in the world.

As for your sources of onions, they are widely available on the market board and have mostly come down in prices after the spike in endwalker release.

As for the house, just wait for 6.1 and submit a bid for the plot you want and voila, you've got a house if the RNG gods smile on you.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

"Get an apartment" is just something people parrot even though they know it is NOT what people are asking for. At this point I almost consider it trolling.

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God sorry I keep quoting you but it's on the same level as people going, "Yoshi-P said they can make more apartments whenever!!" And yet here we are lol with no apartment availability! So crazy

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Originally Posted by Padudu

God sorry I keep quoting you but it's on the same level as people going, "Yoshi-P said they can make more apartments whenever!!" And yet here we are lol with no apartment availability! So crazy

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Doesn't matter. Everyone is supposed to grab an apartment even if they aren't available! :p

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Originally Posted by Hawuhawuu

How do I garden to level my chocobo? I could afford a med house for the current price.

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Well then, why don't we fact check this claim? It's simple math afterall ;)

Using Universalis data (which is decently accurate for high throughput items like Onions) we can see that for Primal the cheapest Thavnairian Onion would be roughly 165k. If we were to limit ourselves just to Lamia, you can get them for 180k. The most expensive Onions I've found are on Materia (not surprisingly) but even then they would cost you a whopping... 220k.

Now, you need 10 onions to level a chocobo to max and you can get 2 as quest rewards. But lets tip it in your favor and assume that we need 10. Assuming the most expensive onions possible, we are looking at 10 x 220,000 = 2,200,000. Basic multiplication and stuff.

Now, I'm very excited to see that medium house selling below the lowest class small plots you are talking about here. ;)

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Originally Posted by Hawuhawuu

How do I garden to level my chocobo? I could afford a med house for the current price.

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What does that have to do with ward housing?
I am sorry, you need to be more clear on that as I personally never garden and only sell stuffs on retainers to get my fund when raise chocobo.
I understand the onion need cross breeding but there are many other income sources to get the fund

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Materia doesn't have housing at all. FC room is generally a big mistake, unless you know for sure your FC will not kick you if you take a 30 day holiday. And I believe there are no apartments left on Balmung.

So, not quite as black and white as you say.

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No offense, tot everything is about Materia and I do agree with your concern in that Materia thread; but in general, Matreia has nothing to do with both FC Housing and Apartment being instanced house.
Also, Balmung problem is unique of its own.
It is bunch of players refuse to leave an over-populated server.
It is just matter of time SE decides to purge Balmung into two and it is not like they have never done it before in FF11.

Also, are you suggesting current generation of players no longer communicate properly any more?
I find it difficult to believe that a FC leader will still kick you after you inform him you are taking a 30 days holiday.

You do know I am favoring FCFS over lol lottery in the housing forum.
A lot people are going to be disappointed after that lottery delusion bubble busted in 6.1 and FC room and apartment is their only option left until they can try their luck at next ward release

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Originally Posted by ElysiumDragon

Starting to wonder if introducing an aggressive taxation system alongside the current demolition timer would be a good idea? I always found it confusing that housing was a 'one-and-done' deal, and given that paying taxation would both take gil out of the economy, and also disincentivize house ownership for the sake of house ownership (a noticeable problem on smaller servers), it could potentially be a positive move that reduces the problem of some subdivisions being almost entirely 'empty'. It'd also IMO be a good way of targeting the handful of known oligarchs who hold a substantial amount of player housing.

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The people who can afford multiple houses/wards can afford any logical tax. Because usually the people with multiple houses are above average at grinding gil.

There are players who barely managed to scrape 20m/50m to get a medium/large. These type of players do not have gil grinding as their main focus in XIV.

Any tax which is of significance to multi-house owners would see such players lose their houses when they can no longer afford the tax.

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Originally Posted by ElysiumDragon

Starting to wonder if introducing an aggressive taxation system alongside the current demolition timer would be a good idea? I always found it confusing that housing was a 'one-and-done' deal, and given that paying taxation would both take gil out of the economy, and also disincentivize house ownership for the sake of house ownership (a noticeable problem on smaller servers), it could potentially be a positive move that reduces the problem of some subdivisions being almost entirely 'empty'. It'd also IMO be a good way of targeting the handful of known oligarchs who hold a substantial amount of player housing.

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That only punish the new players.
Most of old players are only seeing their gils increase day by day and there is not really much item to spend gil on

It seems like the peopole who already have a house are the ones that hate the lottery system most

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Originally Posted by deadman1204

It seems like the peopole who already have a house are the ones that hate the lottery system most

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Because it does nothing to actually fix housing.

The requirements are laughable and will most certainly be abused.

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Originally Posted by deadman1204

It seems like the peopole who already have a house are the ones that hate the lottery system most

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I don't have a house. Really, I don't. But I'm still not excited for this. This won't fix the fact that houses will sell out quickly anyway. Camping was definitely unhealthy but just because this new system fixes that part doesn't mean it's flawless. It's not even going to be a level playing field because the biggest FCs with active members are intended to have an advantage. You will still need to re-subscribe to keep your house.

Absolutely no one is stating that lottery is flawless. We are all aware that only a drastic increase in supply or a complete overhaul of the housing system could alleviate the housing shortage and again SE has its hands tied on this due to server/manpower constraints or simply the ideal that they prefer the neighborhood aspect of wards as compared to instanced housing.

That being said, if you are going for a personal, your chance in the lottery is equal to everyone else going for a personal as well since you can't stack bids. For FC houses, it has been stated that SE would prefer larger FCs to have an advantage in increasing their chances since they are more likely to need and utilize the bigger space in large/medium houses as compared to small FCs, where a small house should suffice for their needs.

So far from what I can glean from the feedback, the general sentiment from the player base is that they are mostly in favor of lottery compared to FCFS since it allows everyone to have a chance at bidding for a house whereas FCFS only favor a selected few who 1) is able to stay up during patch launch and 2) managed to login immediately and successfully without getting d/c or facing other server issues, which is almost a certainty. Housing is definitely more of a social element of FF14 gameplay and should hence be more accessible to the casual player base, instead of restricted to the more hardcore players who are able to utilize any advantage they could get to jump ahead of everyone in the server queue in the event of FCFS housing.

From the opposite point of view: I am willing to stay up late and brave the queues for a house. The lottery system arbitrarily roadblocks me. It arbitrarily grants an extra shot to people unable to do that, sure. It also arbitrarily hands a chance over to people too lazy to do that, who don't feel like getting up early or losing a little sleep. At the very least the old system occasionally rewarded dedication alongside luck. This new one only rewards luck. Call that "more fair" if you wish.

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Originally Posted by Sarevok_Thordin

Simple, no more advantages for people who can book a day off work.

Also if a house is freed up you no longer need to deal with relocators or have to glue yourself to a signboard for a plot, just stick your lot in and wait.

It seems the main problem some people have is they cannot take advantage over people who may not be able to commit to the critical moment due to things like work.

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Which in return means that much more people will fight over the plots which decreases the chances for each person itself.

Well good luck for every private player wanting a house, it will probably get even harder to just own a small one since FCs will have a much higher chance thanks to being able to bid on more than one house.

I am a bit happy that I dont have to do this anymore.

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Originally Posted by ElysiumDragon

Starting to wonder if introducing an aggressive taxation system alongside the current demolition timer would be a good idea? .

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House owners already have do pay a tax, its called monthly sub. Unlike other players we cant just take 3 months off without losing our house.

Instead of punishing house owners even more, lets wish for a much better system where neither the demolition timer nor the lottery would be needed...after all SE gets a lot of money through our subs. Maybe its time to push a bit of that into housing. After all they at the same time keep on giving us so many housing items as rewards.

I honestly would have liked something to know how much someone has played for, subbed for, FC has existed without a house, as well as never owned a house in the game before. If you have just had bad luck and your FC has had bad luck you will be able to just finally get a house in any ward. It could even be anywhere I really don't care. I just want my FC to finally be able to do the airships and things, and have FC housing. It would be nice to get the plot we all decided on, but even with a lottery it could be a toss up. I know our luck. If we don't get one for months what is even the point of having those systems locked behind housing in the first place. Can't even craft the higher level xp buffs for those just starting out or leveling. The ones the grand company have are pretty good, but I still want to option to be able to craft the darn things. I have an apartment, but the aetherial wheel is 'not allowed in apartments only houses'. Look Barbara and her ward of houses can keep them all, I do not care, I just want to be able to have access to things I current do not have access too. Hopefully if people are still not getting houses after this change they can finally do some of these things in alternative ways like the island sanctuary.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Which in return means that much more people will fight over the plots which decreases the chances for each person itself.

Well good luck for every private player wanting a house, it will probably get even harder to just own a small one since FCs will have a much higher chance thanks to being able to bid on more than one house.

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Wait....wait fc's can put in for more than one house? That is really dumb because now a larger fc with more people and more gil can literally bid on an entire ward. What happened to the one bid per person per fc thing, did they just go back on that. As much as I would love to have a house for my fc I was hoping the botters with 10 alts in their fc at level 5 arcanists would not be able to spam put in for a house so they could resell them as they have been doing. Sure the lotto kind of messes with that a bit, but they will find a way to clog the system still because you can give EVERYONE in your FC the permission to put in for a house. More people in your fc more chances. I know it is hard for the devs to fathom because this is not a problem on the jp servers, but is there anyway we can describe all the ways the new system will be gained and how it has been abused so they could try to understand? My mind is blown by this, what the actual heck are they thinking. Why did they go back on only the leader of the fc could bid on the house?

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Originally Posted by Faafetai

....More people in your fc more chances....

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Not just people... characters. One can make 8 characters per service account, they can all bid.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

House owners already have do pay a tax, its called monthly sub..

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Thats a global tax, not a housing tax. Housing doesnt cost anything extra on that, hence it doesnt have a tax.

An actual housing tax would on that at least be a good way to sustain the server costs for housing and should allow more plots.

Be careful with what you wish for, because they have a habit of then making things worse :]

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Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy

I think you'll find once an FC member has purchased a ticket on a plot, nobody else can purchase one for the FC.

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Yoshi specifically addressed this in the last Live Letter. paraphrasing a tiny bit "FC members can all purchase a ticket because we want to reward the bigger FCs, while they could all put entries on different properties it would be wiser to all bid on the same one"

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Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy

Okay that is obviously flawed, unless, the FC wins the plot, and no Gil is refunded to members who purchased a ticket on that same plot. For example, FC with 512 members, purchases 512 tickets on say, Ward 1 Plot 5 Mist, 50m each ticket.
This I would support as that is a huge amount of Gil lost, because, technically you won the Plot you purchased a ticket for, even though it was a different members ticket that got picked, you still get the Plot you technically lost but won anyway since it'll get added to the FC.

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Again, not how it's going to work. All the non-winning bids will be considered a "loss" regardless of affiliation and refunded in full. The system favors big FCs. It's intentional.

https://i.imgur.com/q3q1Cwp.png

When stuff like this happens, I dunno how they're gonna combat it with any system. <HS> are all the same group.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Which in return means that much more people will fight over the plots which decreases the chances for each person itself.

Well good luck for every private player wanting a house, it will probably get even harder to just own a small one since FCs will have a much higher chance thanks to being able to bid on more than one house.

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They already addressed this. Private owners and FCs will not be bidding on the same plots. Going forward under this new system plots will be marked for FC or for personal, not both that way personal buyers aren't competing against the FCs.

meanwhile on Spriggan

https://i.imgur.com/XsdXcUj.png

(although they do have it beautifully decorated, an RP city with hospital, restaurants and all)

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Originally Posted by Dhalya

meanwhile on Spriggan

https://i.imgur.com/XsdXcUj.png

(although they do have it beautifully decorated, an RP city with hospital, restaurants and all)

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WTF. :O

I guess, with the RNG it will not be possible anymore.


Cheers

Baffles me how that is even allowed. At least they acknowledged in QA today that people aren't able to enter for both FC and private plot at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Dhalya

meanwhile on Spriggan

https://i.imgur.com/XsdXcUj.png

(although they do have it beautifully decorated, an RP city with hospital, restaurants and all)

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Stuff like this makes me wish they were stricter with the owning requirements and didn't grandfather people in. Same thing with the duo that owns a whole ward in the Goblet on Mateus.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

House owners already have do pay a tax, its called monthly sub. Unlike other players we cant just take 3 months off without losing our house.

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It is genius on SE's end to keep supply low and demand high. Look at this way:

There's about 70 servers. Each server has 4 cities, 24 wards, 60 plots per ward which is 5760 plots per server. Well under the demand of the playerbase. No one wants to lose their house. The vast majority of those players will pay that sub even if they aren't actively playing in fear of losing a piece of digital real estate that is hard to come by.

5760 plots per server and about 70 servers. That's 400,000 plots across all servers. Each of those 400,000 plots are paying about $15/mo. That's $6M US every month coming to SE. And with the addition of Isghard (70 x 1440 plots) that is likely another $1.5M per month on top of that. They have people paying them for not playing the game. Genius.

*** Obviously some houses are owned by FCs but it still requires at least one FC member to pay a sub to keep it. I rounded down on most of this to account for people like that Lucius FC that has 60 houses.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

It is genius on SE's end to keep supply low and demand high. Look at this way:

There's about 70 servers. Each server has 4 cities, 24 wards, 60 plots per ward which is 5760 plots per server. Well under the demand of the playerbase. No one wants to lose their house. The vast majority of those players will pay that sub even if they aren't actively playing in fear of losing a piece of digital real estate that is hard to come by.

5760 plots per server and about 70 servers. That's 400,000 plots across all servers. Each of those 400,000 plots are paying about $15/mo. That's $6M US every month coming to SE. And with the addition of Isghard (70 x 1440 plots) that is likely another $1.5M per month on top of that. They have people paying them for not playing the game. Genius.

*** Obviously some houses are owned by FCs but it still requires at least one FC member to pay a sub to keep it. I rounded down on most of this to account for people like that Lucius FC that has 60 houses.

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I promise you not all of us are paying a sub solely to keep a house. Some of us actually enjoy the rest of the game so we're paying to play.

You also don't have to stay constantly subbed to keep a house. Sub for a month, unsub for 6 weeks, keep rotating on that schedule. As long as you reset the timer the first and last day of your subbed month, you have nothing to worry about. Don't forget to take advantage of demolition suspensions (funny how often demolition gets suspended if SE is using housing to force people to keep a sub) and the free log in periods when they line up with your unsubbed periods so you can log in, reset the timer and take an extra unpaid month off.

It's not SE's genius at work. There are too many exceptions in the system for houses to be intended to keep people subbed.

It's the idiocy of the average consumer at work. They're happy to keep paying money solely to own something they do not need and almost never use when they could be putting the money to better use.

Looks like there was a bit added this morning to the bottom:

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Q&A

* Updated on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 2:00 a.m. (PST)


Q: Can I apply for both private and free company plots separately during a single lottery period?

A: No, you may only apply for a single plot.


Q: We currently have at least four members in our free company, but only three have been members for more than 30 days. Are we eligible to enter the lottery for free company housing?

A: Only the three who have been members for at least 30 days can enter the lottery. Other members will be able to participate upon passing the 30-day mark.


Q: We currently only have three free company members. If we add one more member now to make it four, would we be eligible to enter the lottery for free company housing?

A: Yes. However, only those who have been free company members for at least 30 days are eligible to submit an entry.


Q: Does the requirement "You must have been a member of your free company for 30 days or longer" apply to free company masters?

A: Yes.


Q: Is there a Grand Company rank requirement to submit an entry for a free company plot?

A: No.


Q: What happens if multiple free company members enter the lottery for multiple free company plots and we win more than one?

A: You will need to choose one of the winning plots and then complete the purchase procedure. The other plots will be treated as "failing to claim your plot of land during the results period despite having won the lottery" and a 50% cancellation fee will be deducted from the deposit paid at entry.


Q: What happens if multiple free company members apply for one plot and win?

A: Every member holds a unique lottery number and only the member who has the winning number can proceed with the purchase. Other members will not be selected and will receive a 100% refund of the deposit paid at entry.

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Hmmmm, I like the 50% cancellation fee being applied to plots won, but not purchased by, an FC due to multiple members applying for multiple plots on the FC's behalf. Hopefully this will go at least a little way toward one-plot, one-kill and not shotgunning. Granted 1.5-2.5 million penalty for a small isn't significant, but 10 and 25 million for a medium and large aren't anything to sniff at.

I mean at this point I just don't give a flying rats ass.

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

I mean at this point I just don't give a flying rats ass.

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New mount confirmed?

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Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy

It still needs a Penalty for FC's that have huge winning power via members, maybe make it so if the plot is won, everyone else only gets 50% Gil refunded.

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Yoshi wants to reward the biggest FCs. He won't penalise them for winning, but cheer it instead. After all, it was going to be 100% loss on winning multiple plots, but he's reduced it to 50% loss on winning multiple plots.

However, don't worry, as there will be separated FC wards and Personal wards, they won't be able to take a personal house, just win against other FCs.

The interesting part will be the split! Will SE make it 90% FC wards and 10% personal wards?