Animosity with World of warcraft players who still like the game?

Only pointing out that you have no relatable way to say such a thing, i do not care about WoW players counter nor FF XIV, not do i care about devs in any of those games either.
Maybe you do wish it's pretty bad for them out of spite, but you have nothing to backup that claim more than "ppl on internet are not happy" while most players dont even bother to go the forums rightfully.

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Only pointing out that you have no relatable way to say such a thing, i do not care about WoW players counter nor FF XIV, not do i care about devs in any of those games either.
Maybe you do wish it's pretty bad for them out of spite, but you have nothing to backup that claim more than "ppl on internet are not happy" while most players dont even bother to go the forums rightfully.

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Funny how you never read actual posts, and when you do it's always horribly quoted. English isn't my first language either, I get it.

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A lot of people in here comparing wow to an abusive relationship. I think you all need to examine why you cling to things you don't enjoy. I have quit wow before, during WoD. There was nothing to do and i wasn't having fun. I've been playing for a loooong time and it wasn't a hard choice to make. That's when i got an account fired up here. Played this until wow looked to be fun again. I found a community there.

Currently, i love playing, i have a great time. I love my friends that i've made there. They make the game fun for me.

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Because wow to many is a sinking ship and to many xiv is the only option of another mmo. (Like you don't really hear about any of the dozens of other mmos ever even though they're often quite well off). So when someone hates the sinking ship they're on but see that the alternative doesn't have a place for them or their interest where are they to go aside from crawling back to their old bad relationship. Maybe a lot of wow players feel stranded and are forced to either stay sinking or force themselves to fit the mold of a game that doesn't fit them.

Like, aside from the main story of shadowbringers and maybe some of the hilde quest line I've hated basically all the story this game has. (ff games often have competent good stories but something about how they tell stories I swear I have never liked a ff games story to date). and for a game that is prided for its story and is mostly story it was really hard for me to find reason in here. In wow I was a 'semi' hardcore raider, I loved pvp, I love the games deep lore (as I'm a fan of anything that has a deeper universe then whats on the surface like destiny, mabinogi/vindi, the likes) and loved a lot of the systems. (Horrific visions was mad fun). But coming here, No real pvp, story is probably good but delivered like a tough steak, and raiding- I'm kinda shit at this game for some reason so I dont get to raid as much as I'd like. So what do I do? Lot of people here would just say "go back to wow" and a lot of people do which is why so many people stay with the abuse. When the only option is to conform to whats there or crawl back to where you came from those aren't very good odds for people like me.

Xiv can learn from wow- and so can wow learn from xiv. honestly most mmos can learn a thing or two from each other and the truely best mmo would be the culmination of all good things from the others. Sure there's a fear that the game will 'turn into wow' if it takes even a inch towards it but that isn't entirely true. Wow does do some things better and xiv would be better to move a bit closer in that direction (having a more easily digestable story/ having a transmog collection system...pvp) as wow would be moving a bit closer to xiv. (having a more obvious story as so many people don't even know what wow is about. Having more entertaining non hardcore aspects that people can enjoy. housing >_> )

What is there to like in WoW? The game is in a terrible state with zero content and terrible developers.

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What is there to like in WoW? The game is in a terrible state with zero content and terrible developers.

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It wasn't always like that. In the beginning, when the people who actually created and loved the game were still there, it was quite an experience. The community wasn't always trash either. When the game and forums were monitored, it was awesome as well. Now, it's all about the money and less about the quality. With them bleeding subs now, they are in a tailspin trying to turn it around...which isn't going to work. They are starting to take it too far now and not far enough in who they need to get rid of (looking at Ion).

There will always be diehards, but the glory days of WoW as the king is over.

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I agree with all that you said. WoW is a shadow of its former self, the only people that play it now have been chasing nostalgia to get that old feeling of wonder that they had when they were a teenager or a child. They think the game will change for the better, holding out and insisting that the players who leave are toxic, meanwhile turning on each other in game due to the punishing systems that force you to play.

Honestly, although I haven't played WoW since the beginning, instead I joined during end of Legion/beginning of BFA then quit before Shadowlands; I honestly felt repelled by the community. They were extremely unfriendly to new players in dungeon content which made me avoid people in general, the systems in the game were atrocious, the chat channels were also toxic cesspools, and I have heard horror stories about other women in game dealing with the creepiness from their guild members or other players. All of that made me quit, even before all the lawsuits or anything like happened. The game was completely not enjoyable, and that was really sad, since many claimed for it to be a good MMO, and I've played many but I supposed I joined up a bit too late to actually see the golden age of WoW. It seemed like it would have been fun to play when the community was a lot more relaxed and not competitive, and when the developers actually listened to their community. But, unfortunately unless the devs wake up now, that game is gonna crash hard one day; since it's already a sinking ship now.

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What is there to like in WoW? The game is in a terrible state with zero content and terrible developers.

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I mean I just hang out and do content with my friends. Im actually generally okay with the expansion -- but see the faults and problems it has and it should fix (the Blizzard alarm clock of X.1.5 needs to stop being a thing). My friends make the game enjoyable to me more than FF14, where a lot of my friends are wishy-washy and do their own things too often.

A lot of the times, the downsides of the game can be ignored with the right social group. Same thing with any MMO.

I played wow for a few years and still have a group of friends playing the game and none of them really enjoys the game right now. I tried to get them to ff but not everyone is interested in giving the game a chance and they wanted to stay together.
Blizzard is very lucky that the game was popular for such a long time and a lot of communities were built. Otherwise the game would be dead by now. This being said. Their devs are doing their best to even drive away their last loyal players.
Their recent censorship crusade and their open disdain for their playerbase they have been showing over and over again definitely changed a few people's minds.

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Their recent censorship crusade and their open disdain for their playerbase they have been showing over and over again definitely changed a few people's minds.

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Welcome to the West. Remember Haurchefant's Japanese personality was literally censored out and changed for English audiences.

I just don't see why talk about it so much, it looks like you're trying to identify with people who also play WoW. I mean, yeah urge of players and all that, but FFXIV is its own thing.
People don't want to talk about other mmos, we want to talk about what we get to do here. I'm also an MMO guy, but I don't go talking all day about the great systems of other mmos I play with people who are hyped about FF.

I must be in a fever dream. Because this “gameplay” people praise wow for. Like I dunno, I play alot of games. I mean a lot. And every time I hear that line I’m like. “ do they play nothing but wow?” Because tight gameplay where everything just works is normal. Any capcom game in the mid to late 90s to late Dreamcast era. Devil may cry 3 and 5. Classics sonic games, I could go on. Is wow brain washing people? Even just in the mmo space. Tera by design I bet has better gameplay due to it being an action game. The hell is wow doing for people to keep praising this?

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I must be in a fever dream. Because this “gameplay” people praise wow for. Like I dunno, I play alot of games. I mean a lot. And every time I hear that line I’m like. “ do they play nothing but wow?” Because tight gameplay where everything just works is normal. Any capcom game in the mid to late 90s to late Dreamcast era. Devil may cry 3 and 5. Classics sonic games, I could go on. Is wow brain washing people? Even just in the mmo space. Tera by design I bet has better gameplay due to it being an action game. The hell is wow doing for people to keep praising this?

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I mean.. most of this game before level 80 is shifting through dialogue like a visual novel with WASD elements. I think most of wow players who are still there are doing the stuff this game doesn't provide. Mythic raiding, actual PVP. or are playing the classic version when the game was much better then it is now.

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I just don't see why talk about it so much, it looks like you're trying to identify with people who also play WoW. I mean, yeah urge of players and all that, but FFXIV is its own thing.
People don't want to talk about other mmos, we want to talk about what we get to do here. I'm also an MMO guy, but I don't go talking all day about the great systems of other mmos I play with people who are hyped about FF.

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What happens for example is that I have my activity visible on discord whenever I play a game. (Which is kinda to a detriment when I take a sick day from raiding and they see me playing baldurs gate lol) but when my xiv FC or my statics sees me playing 'Classic WoW x64'. I've been called out on that multiple times. It was rough especially when TBC came out and I was playing classic hard but also had raids to do here and would be called out for such an egregious betrayal as not spending all my free time playing xiv instead.

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What happens for example is that I have my activity visible on discord whenever I play a game. (Which is kinda to a detriment when I take a sick day from raiding and they see me playing baldurs gate lol) but when my xiv FC or my statics sees me playing 'Classic WoW x64'. I've been called out on that multiple times. It was rough especially when TBC came out and I was playing classic hard but also had raids to do here and would be called out for such an egregious betrayal as not spending all my free time playing xiv instead.

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FFXIV definitely has extreme elements within it's community, that's for sure but as I said the other day, toss them to the curb they don't sound like friends.

I had similar things happen recently when I was playing Pathfinder WOTR instead of being online in Conan Exiles so we could go raid another clan, they gave me shit, guess who I'm not friends with any more? :)

When I am not on discord I keep my status as invisible, you can set your discord status up to not show what you are doing. That said people shouldn't be coming down on you for playing another game. Other people are right those people are not your friends.

Yeah I mean I'll poke a bit of fun at my friends who still play wow, but we all know it is actually in fun because we've ALL sunk far too much time into that game and pretty much share similar beefs with it anyway : p but giving people serious shade for playing a game you don't like? Seems like a waste of energy tbh

Real question to anyone who's actively butthurt by WoW people:

What part of your life is affected by someone else playing WoW? Does it keep you up at night? Does it sit in your head and poke at you obsessively till you harass a WoW player? How does it affect you? I'm genuinely curious because I can't wrap my head around how someone else playing a game would affect your life at all.

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I must be in a fever dream. Because this “gameplay” people praise wow for. Like I dunno, I play alot of games. I mean a lot. And every time I hear that line I’m like. “ do they play nothing but wow?” Because tight gameplay where everything just works is normal. Any capcom game in the mid to late 90s to late Dreamcast era. Devil may cry 3 and 5. Classics sonic games, I could go on. Is wow brain washing people? Even just in the mmo space. Tera by design I bet has better gameplay due to it being an action game. The hell is wow doing for people to keep praising this?

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FF14 has a very long servertick. I guess one second or so. WoW has a ~30 ms servertick. And that is the reason why it feels way snappier than FF14. Examples: in WoW if you run out of an AoE attack then it is very unlikely that the AoE attack will hit you when you are really out of the AoE area. Or you do not have such situations like that a group member is almost dead, you press a huge instant heal, the player dies but your instant heal is now on cooldown because the player was already dead and due the servertick your client noticed it too late etc. The huge servertick makes the attribute haste also weaker as it could be etc.

Cheers

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FF14 has a very long servertick. I guess one second or so. Examples: in WoW if you run out of an AoE attack then it is very unlikely that the AoE attack will hit you when you are really out of the AoE area. Or you do not have such situations like that a group member is almost dead, you press a huge instant heal, the player dies but your instant heal is now on cooldown because the player was already dead and due the servertick your client noticed it too late etc.

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That's really good to know and helps explain some of the being killed by "bad" when I'm out of it on my screen or when it goes off soon after the warning shows up. I don't feel quite so incompetent now. :)

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I just want to mention I am in no way a "wow player" any more then I'm a "guild wars player" or a "xiv player" I tend to play any and every mmo that comes out and I enjoy most of them as long as they're not predatory and p2w.

With that being said I've come across multiple instances when mentioning that me liking "All mmos" and that wow is included in that all makes me a "wow player". I'm sure nobody is going to deny that some people hate wow. some hate the players and some take enjoying that game or this game to almost be a political statement.

I've lost friends in this community for simply admitting to enjoying that game or not wanting to take place / enthuse in one of the hate circle jerks that seem to be full of people who cant get that game from being in their minds rent free. I've had people talk to me different because of my 'not negative' outlook towards the game. (Had a friend that ever since he learned I played and enjoyed wow couldn't help but use me as a outlet for ALL his grievances about that game and 'how bad it is and how bad I am for playing it' like a stress punching bag). Now I'm ashamed or just scared to even talk about my history in that game in this games community in fear of being run out again.

Lastly. I'm a believer of the concept that "A person who cares the most about something has the most to complain about it" I have a bunch of stuff I think could be better about this game like many of the other games I care about. but to the people who hear my suggestions and simultaneously know I play and enjoy wow. I'm suddenly the "Angry butt hurt wow player who should just go back to wow if I don't think this game is perfect". Like I could've mentioned I played every other mmo on the sun except wow and my statements would be valid but as long as wow is a game I've played suddenly I'm "that wow player"

I started playing wow 13 years ago because I was a kid and it looked fun. I played it now because it was nostalgic. wow kick started my love for videogames and all mmos as a whole. 12 year old me didn't pick the game up to be a part of some politics war today.

Didn't mean to rant just wanted to get my grievances out there. played xiv since hw so I'm not really a refugee.. but any other refugees been experiencing these issues and this silly "game war" :confused:

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It's weird when you play a game and people are talking about other games. Just enjoy the game you are playing!

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I've lost friends in this community for simply admitting to enjoying that game or not wanting to take place / enthuse in one of the hate circle jerks that seem to be full of people who cant get that game from being in their minds rent free. I've had people talk to me different because of my 'not negative' outlook towards the game. (Had a friend that ever since he learned I played and enjoyed wow couldn't help but use me as a outlet for ALL his grievances about that game and 'how bad it is and how bad I am for playing it' like a stress punching bag). Now I'm ashamed or just scared to even talk about my history in that game in this games community in fear of being run out again.

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It's sad but you're probably better off without those friends. They sound like, while not horrible, people who aren't well adjusted. Let's just call them ... immature and leave it at that.

I also play all MMOs. While FFXIV is my main game I like WoW, I used to like ESO, I like New World, I'll be playing Elyon in 2 days, and I plan to play Swords of Legends Online at some point in the near future and I won't apologise for being a well adjusted person who doesn't treat games like a sportball match.

Don't be ashamed for playing many games, it means you have more perspective on issues than someone who just plays a single game. As YoshiP said playing one game feels unnatural.

In my experience, people who play multiple games - be they MMO's or otherwise - are generally more grounded and friendly compared to those who only stick to one game and never stray from it.

I don't doubt that exceptions exist, but in my opinion it's healthy for people to have varied interests and hobbies.

Like, sure, I enjoy playing FFXIV but I'm also excited about playing Dying Light 2 when that comes out next year and I have other hobbies such as hiking, swimming and dining out.

I just can't connect with people who only do one thing and one thing only in their spare time and never want to do or talk about something else.

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I just can't connect with people who only do one thing and one thing only in their spare time and never want to do or talk about something else.

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Does collecting hobbies (not collecting things, like coins) count as a hobby?

This games community has some serious insecurity issues.

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In my experience, people who play multiple games - be they MMO's or otherwise - are generally more grounded and friendly compared to those who only stick to one game and never stray from it.

I don't doubt that exceptions exist, but in my opinion it's healthy for people to have varied interests and hobbies.

Like, sure, I enjoy playing FFXIV but I'm also excited about playing Dying Light 2 when that comes out next year and I have other hobbies such as hiking, swimming and dining out.

I just can't connect with people who only do one thing and one thing only in their spare time and never want to do or talk about something else.

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I'm pretty excited for Elden Ring coming out in a couple of months. Until then I'll be keeping myself busy with Dragon's Dogma and Endwalker when it releases next month.

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I'm pretty excited for Elden Ring coming out in a couple of months. Until then I'll be keeping myself busy with Dragon's Dogma and Endwalker when it releases next month.

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I'm hoping that we get a sequel to Dragon's Dogma. I enjoyed it quite a bit. Elden Ring looks decent, so it's definitely on my radar when it comes to games to keep an eye on. Project Triangle caught my attention, too. Which is out in...March, I think.

WoW is designed to require all of your time if you are trying to keep a character current on player-power items, and I think that fosters a lot of animosity when you play other games. There's some assumption that you are slacking on character progression in order to enjoy other games. This is a huge difference in school of thought between the dev teams at Blizzard and FFXIV. FFXIV devs encourage you to experience other games and help them make a better game. WoW leadership wants to share the highest "engagement" metrics they can on their quarterly earnings calls, no matter the cost. They still don't seem to realize that the systems they employ have been a huge factor in players quitting.