Who doesnt want gear restrictions removed?

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Miss me with that, you don't chop up a post someone put time into and expect to boil it down into some non-sense. Like I said, you can google the words "constraints lead to creativity", tis not a meme. If they want to cover their ears and think "You don't want FUN?!?!" they're getting an eye full of text before I give up on em.

No I did not, all these restraints are needed and welcome for the current system.

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Would bet that if the restrictions were removed it would take less then a week for people to remember that they even existed.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

Would bet that if the restrictions were removed it would take less then a week for people to remember that they even existed.

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... What is this supposed to mean?
Why are you even quoting me?

Reivaxe your whole post was illuminating, but I'm gonna focus on this:

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

It's of my opinion that this would frankly devalue the gear and much of the enjoyment in making a glam. To put it simply, all gear would run into the same problem of FoTM LvL1 glams and much of the identity behind designs would be lost.

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This was super helpful and transformed the way I understood this discussion.
It's not a debate of Yes vs. No.
It's more a discussion between people that enjoy exploring class identity and pushing the limits, and people that don't care as much about that and would instead prefer getting more tools to create their own identity.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

No it's not. It makes the different races/jobs/sexes more unique and special to many of us. Obviously it's not what YOU want but this game isn't all about you.

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It does make them special, but for all the wrong reasons.
A race ought to be special due to qualities intrinsic to it.
Being able to wear a specific hairstyle or being able to hold your sword out in one way isn't something I would deem to be intrinsic to the race, not when they all share the same humanoid shape.
This is a rather contrived way of making things seem special.

In my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

It does make them special, but for all the wrong reasons.

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You mean your reasons? You're entitled to your opinion but I certainly have mine and it's simply just fine the way they are. I want more of the same not less.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

You mean your reasons? You're entitled to your opinion but I certainly have mine and it's simply just fine the way they are. I want more of the same not less.

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Because your reasons for why it feels "special" is so much better. I personally want more of the same... of what the devs are having, which is no restrictions.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

Because your reasons for why it feels "special" is so much better. I personally want more of the same... of what the devs are having, which is no restrictions.

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Yes my reasons are my reasons just like yours are yours. I'm in favor of keeping them as they are and for more of the same. You can want what you want I certainly can make my voice heard and i will.

Of course they're my reasons and my opinions, or did you miss this?

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

In my opinion.

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Technical reasons aside (I just have to make that bold), I think it's silly to have arbitrary restrictions on clothes as being "special" in a game in which any race can be anything. As I've mentioned in other posts, you can have either the tiniest lalafell or the biggest roegadyn tanking Titan... but wearing X or Y article of clothing? Oh that's just too much.

And to reiterate, I know there are technical reasons for why this is so.

I personally like some restrictions to create a coherent image / silhouette, of course that has already been fairly well damaged already so I know some people say "why not destroy the rest of it?" but... lol.. eh.

I do think you could remove the walls between split groups (healers and dd mages for example).

Ideally to me is they remove some more restrictions on most normal gear but they add restrictions on bikini and seasonal gear (bikni meaning literally the swim wear). Which is probably never going to happen lol. But nothing really quite ruins the visual experience than doing an important quest and having some snowman headed bikini wearing player. I'd rather have clown colored armor on my screen. It's not the skin or whatever, it just ruins the visual experience to see. Of course when you do content for the 50000000th time it doesn't really matter anymore, if anything it becomes funny. Just hard to take the game itself seriously when it clearly doesn't take itself seriously in serious content (given how they constructed the glamour system rules). Naturally there are other ways humans can be humans to mess up the experience (being rude, etc, just that gear is a very easy passive way to mess with the experience and doesn't require any sort of malice).

I like the idea certain jobs have a visual vibe, but I can admit and agree with players where there are many circumstances where they barely hold that concept together currently (hence where people might say "it's barely there already, what's the harm going 20 more %?").

When I think about what should be, especially for a FF game, I think you get that very hard to balance place between clearly some wacky outfits which requires high freedom but at the same time if you look at SE's single player contents they don't just slap "anything" together. They clearly have talented artists create a visual narrative, and they're very good at it. Just by viewing the characters and their gear you can tell something about them before even actually getting to know them. So I find the silhouette type concept is still very important to a FF experience and just being like "ya whatever" to that isn't really what makes a FF game FF. When FF does humor, which it does do sometimes, it's often in specific locations or entirely optional (say if you take one of their more joke characters or joke spells, you can choose to use or not as it's a single player game, like Lightning or Noctis's joke outfits in the game).

So I think completely tearing down or completely putting up the walls neither really capture the experience that a stereotypical FF visual style would best represent. To note I've spoken generally here and not addressing a specific lock, you may mention a lock that I too think is silly, or one that I'm like "I wish that was" lol (like seasonal or swim wear).

It's too bad they have trouble dissociation what a job can wear for stats vs what they can glamour (why we often need replica pieces of gear), I've thought before a license grid that is cosmetic inspired could have some decent traction in this game for using your EXP and customizing your character (like being able to use a specific heavy armor as white mage, or your DoH gear, etc, just breaking the rules in a way SE has hand picked so it's not pure freedom but not pure restrictions, while also gamifying it and kind of creating encouragement for players to also not necessarily copy each other as much since you'd have to spend to unlock it).

And again... Almost every gear outside of AF gear shares it's look with a different role, chosen seemingly randomly. Sometimes melee and healer shares looks, or ranged and healer, or ranged and caster, tank and ranged. And the only silhouette difference between healers and casters in most cases is that casters start with gear dyed black by default and healer white... which we again can dye away.

And everyone no matter what job can glamour themselves a joke outfit like the infamous namazu roegadyn, so removing the restrictions wouldn't give us the ability to make more absurd outfits than what we already have. Having played this game for a while it is clear that the vast majority of players prefer using reasonable outfits so it's safe to say that there isn't any risk of things looking even more absurd.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

And again... Almost every gear outside of AF gear shares it's look with a different role, chosen seemingly randomly. Sometimes melee and healer shares looks, or ranged and healer, or ranged and caster, tank and ranged. And the only silhouette difference between healers and casters in most cases is that casters start with gear dyed black by default and healer white... which we again can dye away.

And everyone no matter what job can glamour themselves a joke outfit like the infamous namazu roegadyn, so removing the restrictions wouldn't give us the ability to make more absurd outfits than what we already have. Having played this game for a while it is clear that the vast majority of players prefer using reasonable outfits so it's safe to say that there isn't any risk of things looking even more absurd.

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Not sure if this was meant to be to me or not. Since in many ways I said pieces what you said, like that things are already pretty broken. I was just adding to the post that asked who doesn't really run towards removing restrictions on stuff, unless this post was made more to be insulting or a huge echo chamber (I don't think they intended that), I assumed they would benefit to actually hear from someone who felt the way they asked- along the lines that I actually want both restrictions added and removed and also see the general task as a shrug since I don't believe FF games are best represented by the players being able to do absolutely whatever they want or absolutely only by what the gear suggests (an opinion that has evolved over time, and perhaps maturity lol).

Like I don't think if you went to so much freedom as Aion that would be a good thing- I think Aion makes itself look like a F2P Korean mmo which doesn't take itself seriously at all, but also does have an impressive level of freedom and I've seen people do really neat things with it (and a very deep wallet lol).

If it's removed I don't think it was 'the best choice', nor will it kill the game, but if it stays the same I'd also not think it was the best choice either, and no matter what they do anyways someone will be annoyed lol. "How dare you take away my snowman hat, it's my identity, you're taking away what you gave- this feels horrible, who cares how I dress and if they care I don't want them to play the game anyways "it's my character"" "how dare you let snowmen show up in my finale MSQ cutscene, how am I suppose to take this dungeon seriously when it's a big joke, is your content a joke to you? You would never do this in your own FF game, you know this isn't serious, take your content seriously" whatever etc etc. I think SE is trying to play both the fence on these two individuals and also on their own system which has technical limitations (at least so they've told us).

No matter what SE is going to lose something lol. Like if they wanted as free as Aion, it would lose an element of seriousness and strong consistent art presentation (but could gain impressive freedom, worth it? eh.. I don't think so to that level, but someone will of course, I believe FF is a very special form of purposeful art).

So if they wanted they could remove it I'm sure as they are so far down that rabbit hole already, perhaps in the future as they get closer to their next mmo, but I honestly hope the next mmo they make whenever that is that they take the world space more seriously and attempt to give players as much freedom as possible while also attempting to not create something as silly as "naked snowmen being your main tank as part of your very serious somber fight against some boss that you both respect and hate".

I believe presentation, the visual narrative, is an important part of games and particularly important for FF experiences as they are uniquely talented in that aspect. That occasionally offers the option to be goofy, but understands when to and not to foist it upon the player (like you have a goofy fun dress up cloud section but you're not required to wear a dress the whole game, you earn Bayek's bathrobe outfit doesn't mean you have to wear it for the rest of the game.. but you could!). Games come with intention, and sometimes options that verge from pure baseline intention but in a single player setting that's all fine and well. That said this is also an mmo so now you get that extra challenge to that whole ordeal.

I'm not confused that people want it removed, or restricted, particularly I don't think doing too much of either is the best for the narrative but I also wouldn't say we are in the perfect spot currently. So here is my big ol "/shrug" given the state we're currently in lol and the main reason why I posted was simply to answer the question the OP had proposed.

One thing that we can commend FFXIV for is that it does have a good balance of realism and absurdity so that the world doesn't feel too depressing, reminder that the first dungeon for even have a dungeon full of trafficking victims... some of which are transformed into monsters the next time we run through the place. But then we have the moments with moogles "shudder", namazu and even wacky situations with ordinary citizens that again lightens the mood.

And this balance can even be seen in our gear, where the vast majority of it looks reasonable and that which looks absurd is still designed in such a fashion that it fits this world. Does the snowman head look silly? Yes, but it doesn't cower the screen with a blinding light making it impossible to look at anything else. It just is there, along with all the other outfits.