Why Does A Fierce Race Of Female Warriors...

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Originally Posted by programcanaan

Well sex sells

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Sex?! In my Christian game?!

I'm totally gonna still be rocking the Agrias set once I got the entire collection even years from now regardless of the fact that I'm going Viera soon as I'm able but yeah OP I can get where the misunderstanding comes from if you havent played XII. I personally can say I disliked XII myself for two reasons 1. Couldn't Stand Vaan or Penelo and 2. Once I got my Gambits set up it just became one looooong directional toggle controlled movie instead of a game. Story was good other than that.

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Originally Posted by Gula

It's a term invented for a reason. If someone fits into the definition, then it should be used. No word or phrase of ill intent is good in nature unless it's just one of those words that got twisted in translation.

Someone could say, "I hate X." To not call someone out on it and to let them continue is even worse.

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I would consider it a sexist remark because they specifically said guys when they could have easily said "pervy people" since not only guys can like sexy looking women.

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Originally Posted by AriaFairchild

Sex?! In my Christian game?!

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Ha! Not going to lie. That was funny! :D

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Has someone been living under a rock?

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Um... maybe? I didn't have the money nor time to keep up with video games for a long time.

*shrug*

Superhuman reflexes and agility, etc.

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Originally Posted by guardin

you are being completely RIDICULOUS. They do NOT look like strippers. They are dancers and need less clothing to move around more freely. Also, they are more natural and less sensitive about showing more skins than hyurs (humans) dont be a perv. Warriors races don't all need stupid ugly heavy armor. Dont be insensitive. Are you just crying out for attention?

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More like they're ambush hunters who rely on heavy shadows to hide from enemies and prey. which is why the armor that Fran and the Veira wanderers wear is all black, but also open in areas to allow their natural skin colors to assist via splotched color patterns.

But what I like about this racial set is that it's expressly *ARMOR* and not a set of civilian clothes that the fledgling adventurers start with. These women have spent years or decades as defenders of their Great Wood as warders and hunters, and then decide to venture into the world to experience what the outside world is like.

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but yeah OP I can get where the misunderstanding comes from if you haven't played XII.

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Yep. That's it in a nutshell.:o

One thing I have to wonder is why did they straight up give all Viera Fran's outfit versus creating their own, unique starter gear like the other races (including Hrothgar)?
It kind of just dumps Fran and player-Viera together.
To me, it kind of feels like if Male Midlanders started out with Cloud's outfit and females started out with Lightning's. It brings the uniqueness of both the player character and those characters down.
I'm sure they did this to save time though...
It kind of makes me wonder if either:
A) Fran is going to get a make-over next time we see her,
or
B) We're just flat out never going to see her and/or Dalmasca ever again. Not like they're a giant country who we're sort of allied with but you know...

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

One thing I have to wonder is why did they straight up give all Viera Fran's outfit versus creating their own, unique starter gear like the other races (including Hrothgar)?
It kind of just dumps Fran and player-Viera together.
To me, it kind of feels like if Male Midlanders started out with Cloud's outfit and females started out with Lightning's. It brings the uniqueness of both the player character and those characters down.
I'm sure they did this to save time though...
It kind of makes me wonder if either:
A) Fran is going to get a make-over next time we see her,
or
B) We're just flat out never going to see her and/or Dalmasca ever again. Not like they're a giant country who we're sort of allied with but you know...

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Because Fran's armor is expressly a Veira thing, it's iconic in that it's something that Veira wear and people will recognize as something a Veira would wear.

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Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad

Because Fran's armor is expressly a Veira thing, it's iconic in that it's something that Veira wear and people will recognize as something a Veira would wear.

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But it's not.
Fran's armor is unique and iconic to Fran.
Other Viera in XII (and by-extension the Tactics Advanced series) don't wear that outfit. The only ones that come close are the Wood Warders in Eruyt Village and Krjn from Clan Centurio.
It feels more like either we're cosplaying as Fran or Fran isn't that special of a character here in XIV and is just part of the Viera-crowd.

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Originally Posted by Joven

From what I've been lead to believe through my time reading these forums is that the money XIV is generating gets leeched off for other projects, which is why they're constantly low on resources. That's why I said this seems to be almost wholly a passion project, because why would you continue to try and deliver high quality content when you're not getting the funding and resources your content is generating? I get that the Japanese have pride in their work and all, but everyone has a limit on what they're willing to do when expectations over takes compensation.

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Sorry for delay! Honestly I think you sort of answered your own question a bit here--SE still makes a ton of money from this. How they shift that money within the company to fund projects might vary, but if they did not have the money it would absolutely effect what they put out and how much various employees get paid. It would remain a detriment for them to not have income from this game.

Don't get me wrong, I do think passion plays a part in the motivation. This is not the same animal as an individual creator trying to put out a story though. It's not even the same as a small company trying to put out a story. When you get a massive company like Square Enix, an internationally successful franchise like Final Fantasy, and the ungodly amounts of money required to complete games like this... you absolutely will not find the required number or expertise of staff willing to go on pure passion without any notion of payoff. People cannot survive on that, and for the amount of labor involved the very idea of doing that work without a reasonable expectation of reward would be hugely exploitative. Further, those creators could absolutely attach themselves to other projects or even projects they own independently if their main motivation is passion, but they were concerned about success. Creators are generally not one-trick ponies or limited to a single passion. It's also often possible to adapt concepts.

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Originally Posted by Joven

I'm not saying they should ignore consumer demand, just that they should be allowed some wiggle room to be able to say "no" when a demand is either unreasonable/not possible or doesn't fit with what they have in mind going forward and that we as fans need to understand that they have limitations to what they can do from a technical standpoint and from a story/world building stand point.

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With you on this! I'm not positive, but I think we might just have different stances on whether or not it would be fine to unlock the genders later? IMO it's very workable and just offers them an opportunity in the wings they can develop at their own pace. Would also bring new silhouettes/to the table for a fun range in character models, which from a design standpoint could be a lot of fun. And again, there's loads of precedence even on the lore front. If this was some soul-destroying task where there was literally zero joy for devs then yeah I agree they shouldn't do it. However, as a creator that seriously would be beyond bizarre and IMO undermine their skill, professionalism, and passion.

There have been stories and characters I undertook that initially I was unenthusiastic about. However, I'm also confident that can take those and make them into something really exciting and fun in my own way while maintaining concept integrity. SE creators have more experience and accomplishments than I do while being hugely disciplined. It feels like it would be selling them short to expect anything less, much less on a massive scale.

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Originally Posted by Joven

As for modding: that's a completely different area and SE should with all certainty put their foot down on that because the modders are breaking the ToS even if the mods they're adding is something minor.

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Afaik a big reason against modding is the potential to glitch stuff out? I did hear that if ex. it's a minor glamour mod that doesn't scandalize, cause technical difficulties, or get waved in a GM's face they tend to not prioritize it as highly as other issues. Think I heard it mentioned that they get it's basically people into artistic aspects of the game. I'm mostly neutral on the subject as long as it doesn't impose on others and figure it's not my place to decide. I don't really see it on my server at any rate.

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Originally Posted by Joven

The reason I said that is because if you pay attention to some of the news around anime you can see some minor signs of western values affecting the genre. One example is the creator of Sword Art Online Reki Kawahara. He did an interview where he talks about how he needs to keep "political correctness" in mind in the future. Here's a video talking about the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu2TGF60yGM&t=412s. It may be a minor thing, but that's how it always starts, you ignore it because it seems insignificant until you turn around and it's grown to consume everything, just like it has in the West.

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I did hear about Sword Art Online, but my understanding is...

1) It's viewed as extremely unlikely to find traction in Japan, which is frankly way more sex-positive and into social norms than the West

2) This is being treated as weird to the point of being a drop in the ocean.

3) I've heard some recent stories about mangakas behind hugely controversial works being confronted by Westerners about addressing criticism. This was seriously next level edgy storytelling from what I've heard, not something where it's just the hypersensitive uncomfortable. The mangaka literally looked at the questioner and replied "there is no criticism". If there's none in Japan it might as well not exist. I might be able to re-find what the title was, heard about this incident from a friend

4) Seriously look at the racier stuff that is totally normalized in Japan, the West has never been at that level.

5) Look at how Western extremist propaganda works are received in Asia. Look at commentary those types of stories receive and how little money they make. I'm not just talking animation. Look at live action films. The general public in Asia does not have patience for this.

6) I really can't name names, but suffice to say there's a Western-extremism-spawned controversy happening right now where major anime companies are involved. The Japanese business side of things has been indicating more and more that they are pissed about it. And I don't mean pissed because needs more extreme political correctness.

Also, just to be clear--I'm not saying any of this to be weeby, imply there are no issues in Asian media, or poo-poo Western media across the board. There are different issues manifesting prominently in Asian media that I hope they can address, but overall they're doing WAY better. I personally look at Asia-based creators as colleagues and a standard to match or surpass. Have enormous respect for them, and I seriously want people to bring a higher standard here.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

But it's not.
Fran's armor is unique and iconic to Fran.
Other Viera in XII (and by-extension the Tactics Advanced series) don't wear that outfit. The only ones that come close are the Wood Warders in Eruyt Village and Krjn from Clan Centurio.
It feels more like either we're cosplaying as Fran or Fran isn't that special of a character here in XIV and is just part of the Viera-crowd.

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And... your point? Fran never made herself out to be special, she's a veira. In XII she was special since she's the only playable non-hume, but in this game she's one of a playable race, so no she's not something special, and her outfit itself isn't anything special either.

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Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad

And... your point? Fran never made herself out to be special, she's a veira. In XII she was special since she's the only playable non-hume, but in this game she's one of a playable race, so no she's not something special, and her outfit itself isn't anything special either.

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Except she IS special here in XIV.

Spoiler warning

She's a general in the Dalmascan rebellion group, Lethe's Tears, which is implied to take orders from Princess Ashe, who was rumored to have died with her twin brother, Prince Rasler, during the Garlean invasion.

Saying she isn't special would be like saying that characters like Lyse or Hien aren't special because they're both just Hyurs.

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Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad

And... your point? Fran never made herself out to be special, she's a veira. In XII she was special since she's the only playable non-hume, but in this game she's one of a playable race, so no she's not something special, and her outfit itself isn't anything special either.

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This is probably the one thing I don't like about FFXII. In the world of Ivalice, where you are likely to meet a variety of races, your party consists of mostly Hume and one Viera. No Bangaa, Moogle, Nu Mou, Garif or even Seeq party members :(

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

One thing I have to wonder is why did they straight up give all Viera Fran's outfit versus creating their own, unique starter gear like the other races (including Hrothgar)?
It kind of just dumps Fran and player-Viera together.
To me, it kind of feels like if Male Midlanders started out with Cloud's outfit and females started out with Lightning's. It brings the uniqueness of both the player character and those characters down.
I'm sure they did this to save time though...
It kind of makes me wonder if either:
A) Fran is going to get a make-over next time we see her,
or
B) We're just flat out never going to see her and/or Dalmasca ever again. Not like they're a giant country who we're sort of allied with but you know...

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We probably won't ever see her again unless they do another 24man centered around Dalmasca again...(Which I hope they won't, the whole storyline was really boring and uninteresting to me)

Honestly...I don't mind the viera got fran outfit as a starter, shes really popular and probably (or is) the main reason people wanted Viera.

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Originally Posted by Jaywalker

With you on this! I'm not positive, but I think we might just have different stances on whether or not it would be fine to unlock the genders later? IMO it's very workable and just offers them an opportunity in the wings they can develop at their own pace. Would also bring new silhouettes/to the table for a fun range in character models, which from a design standpoint could be a lot of fun. And again, there's loads of precedence even on the lore front. If this was some soul-destroying task where there was literally zero joy for devs then yeah I agree they shouldn't do it. However, as a creator that seriously would be beyond bizarre and IMO undermine their skill, professionalism, and passion.

There have been stories and characters I undertook that initially I was unenthusiastic about. However, I'm also confident that can take those and make them into something really exciting and fun in my own way while maintaining concept integrity. SE creators have more experience and accomplishments than I do while being hugely disciplined. It feels like it would be selling them short to expect anything less, much less on a massive scale.

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Honestly it doesn't matter to me whether or not they roll out the other genders, I'd be happy either way.

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Originally Posted by Jaywalker

Afaik a big reason against modding is the potential to glitch stuff out? I did hear that if ex. it's a minor glamour mod that doesn't scandalize, cause technical difficulties, or get waved in a GM's face they tend to not prioritize it as highly as other issues. Think I heard it mentioned that they get it's basically people into artistic aspects of the game. I'm mostly neutral on the subject as long as it doesn't impose on others and figure it's not my place to decide. I don't really see it on my server at any rate.

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I think the main reason modding is essentially "forbidden" in these types of games is because it could potentially give those players unfair advantages over others, same with botting. That and it kinda ruins the spirit of multiplayer gaming, at least in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Jaywalker

I did hear about Sword Art Online, but my understanding is...

1) It's viewed as extremely unlikely to find traction in Japan, which is frankly way more sex-positive and into social norms than the West

2) This is being treated as weird to the point of being a drop in the ocean.

3) I've heard some recent stories about mangakas behind hugely controversial works being confronted by Westerners about addressing criticism. This was seriously next level edgy storytelling from what I've heard, not something where it's just the hypersensitive uncomfortable. The mangaka literally looked at the questioner and replied "there is no criticism". If there's none in Japan it might as well not exist. I might be able to re-find what the title was, heard about this incident from a friend

4) Seriously look at the racier stuff that is totally normalized in Japan, the West has never been at that level.

5) Look at how Western extremist propaganda works are received in Asia. Look at commentary those types of stories receive and how little money they make. I'm not just talking animation. Look at live action films. The general public in Asia does not have patience for this.

6) I really can't name names, but suffice to say there's a Western-extremism-spawned controversy happening right now where major anime companies are involved. The Japanese business side of things has been indicating more and more that they are pissed about it. And I don't mean pissed because needs more extreme political correctness.

Also, just to be clear--I'm not saying any of this to be weeby, imply there are no issues in Asian media, or poo-poo Western media across the board. There are different issues manifesting prominently in Asian media that I hope they can address, but overall they're doing WAY better. I personally look at Asia-based creators as colleagues and a standard to match or surpass. Have enormous respect for them, and I seriously want people to bring a higher standard here.

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1-2. I certainly hope so

3-5. I've heard about that too and I applaud them every time I do.

6. I think I know what you're referring too and I've heard that it's getting to the point where the publisher is considering pulling the NA licensing and doing the dubbing in house.

So far Western media isn't entirely borked. We've still got a few beacons of hope in the different industries and I hope saner heads will prevail in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Except she IS special here in XIV.

Spoiler warning

She's a general in the Dalmascan rebellion group, Lethe's Tears, which is implied to take orders from Princess Ashe, who was rumored to have died with her twin brother, Prince Rasler, during the Garlean invasion.

Saying she isn't special would be like saying that characters like Lyse or Hien aren't special because they're both just Hyurs.

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So... what exactly? She's an NPC we meet in one part of three 24 man raids on ruins around the Dalmascan region, do we take part in the rebellion?
Are we inducted, even honorarily, into the dalmascan resistance?
Do we do anything to advance the resistance?

No?

Then she's not important.

I think it's kind of awesome that instead of having to use an event or mog station, they opted to put a FF character's gear as a simple in-game obtainable. FOR FREE. Instead of arguing wither the racial gear is to sexualized or not, the better question is how will the racial hempen gear complement it to be unique?

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

I think it's kind of awesome that instead of having to use an event or mog station, they opted to put a FF character's gear as a simple in-game obtainable. Instead of arguing the racial gear is to sexualized, the better question is how will the racial hempen gear complement it to be unique.

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I'm hoping it's like the Au Ra or Miq'ote style. since most non hyurs have it similar.

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Originally Posted by AriaFairchild

Sex?! In my Christian game?!

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Well, the first command to humans in the Bible is to be fruitful and multiply. Obviously the Viera and Hrothgar need help in that department. They should get to multiplying so there will be enough male Viera and female Hrothgar by 6.0!

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Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad

So... what exactly? She's an NPC we meet in one part of three 24 man raids on ruins around the Dalmascan region, do we take part in the rebellion? .

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Not like characters from 24-man raids can come back and get put into the main story or anything...
*stares at the ending of the current patch's MSQ, the dev team's current reminder that the quest to unlock Crystal Tower was made eaiser in patch 4.4, and all the implications of who the voice calling use to the First is*

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

But it's not.
Fran's armor is unique and iconic to Fran.
Other Viera in XII (and by-extension the Tactics Advanced series) don't wear that outfit. The only ones that come close are the Wood Warders in Eruyt Village and Krjn from Clan Centurio.
It feels more like either we're cosplaying as Fran or Fran isn't that special of a character here in XIV and is just part of the Viera-crowd.

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Fran's outfit looks extremely close to FFTA and FFTA2's viera non-job outfit. If we call that "starter gear" then the FFTA and FFTA2 starter gear only differs from what Fran wheres with added sleeves and a chain bodice sort of deal. If we got that as starter gear but not Fran's and Fran's was added to the mogstation, then I'm sure it would upset some people. In addition to that, Fran's outfit is already in the game as an asset so that's ultimately why it got used.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Fran's outfit looks extremely close to FFTA and FFTA2's viera non-job outfit. If we call that "starter gear" then the FFTA and FFTA2 starter gear only differs from what Fran wheres with added sleeves and a chain bodice sort of deal. If we got that as starter gear but not Fran's and Fran's was added to the mogstation, then I'm sure it would upset some people. In addition to that, Fran's outfit is already in the game as an asset so that's ultimately why it got used.

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Doesn't that make it sound worse?
These aren't XIV's own interpretation of Viera, they're just Viera cosplaying as Fran.
Granted, according to our friend Beki_Bayaqad, Fran is a useless, nameless shmuck because she doesn't make use the Grand Poobah of the Dalmascan rebellion and unlock a Dalmascan housing ward for use. :B

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Doesn't that make it sound worse?
These aren't XIV's own interpretation of Viera, they're just Viera cosplaying as Fran.
Granted, according to our friend Beki_Bayaqad, Fran is a useless, nameless shmuck because she doesn't make use the Grand Poobah of the Dalmascan rebellion and unlock a Dalmascan housing ward for use. :B

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I didn't say that, I didn't say any of that. I said, that while she was important in XII, she's not important in XIV. Her role in XIV is to be an NPC who gives flavor text during the Orbonne raid and to showcase what the Veira will look like in XIV. That's it. And the playable Veira aren't cosplaying as Fran, they're wearing Veira style armor. I seriously don't understand why you're being this argumentative over this because it's making you look really weird.

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Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad

I didn't say that, I didn't say any of that. I said, that while she was important in XII, she's not important in XIV. Her role in XIV is to be an NPC who gives flavor text during the Orbonne raid and to showcase what the Veira will look like in XIV. That's it. And the playable Veira aren't cosplaying as Fran, they're wearing Veira style armor. I seriously don't understand why you're being this argumentative over this because it's making you look really weird.

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Do you call everyone who doesn't agree with you weird or am I a special case?

I get it, you want sexy bikini armor.
You can just say "I want sexy bikini armor".
You don't need to drag poor Fran in the mud to do it. :B
Maybe I don't view her as just a flavor text NPC and walking waifu billboard?
Maybe I'm actually interested in what going to happen with Dalmasca?
Maybe I want to see the dev team do their own thing with Viera and not just copy-paste them in an attempt to cut-corners?
But that's just me ♥

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Originally Posted by Joven

Honestly it doesn't matter to me whether or not they roll out the other genders, I'd be happy either way.

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Seems fair to me!

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Originally Posted by Joven

I think the main reason modding is essentially "forbidden" in these types of games is because it could potentially give those players unfair advantages over others, same with botting. That and it kinda ruins the spirit of multiplayer gaming, at least in my opinion.

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I sort of get that, just don't totally agree with respect to glamour mods. Most games I play on console so I don't have access to mods there anyway. Most aren't multiplayer and in cases where other people can mod and I can't I've been framing it as a kind of fun challenge to accomplish as much as possible within limits for design. Still love seeing what other people can come up with, but I get the sense sometimes people get bitter and jealous instead.

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Originally Posted by Joven

6. I think I know what you're referring too and I've heard that it's getting to the point where the publisher is considering pulling the NA licensing and doing the dubbing in house.

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I heard about the license pull but not the in-house dubbing. Honestly more power to them. As much of a mess as it's been if this is an eye-opener about what's going on that's something at least. That plus dishonest people being held to account and innocent people finding support. The public should be receiving transparency in the near future at any rate, which hopefully can help prevent further nonsense.

Also, I hope this stuff was reassuring at least to some degree! These situations can be alarming but I think people across the board are realizing it's gotten too crazy and miserable for all involved.

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Originally Posted by Joven

So far Western media isn't entirely borked. We've still got a few beacons of hope in the different industries and I hope saner heads will prevail in the long run.

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Same! Hopefully there'll be opportunity for healthier and more sincere media to crop up going forward.

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Originally Posted by Jaywalker

I sort of get that, just don't totally agree with respect to glamour mods. Most games I play on console so I don't have access to mods there anyway. Most aren't multiplayer and in cases where other people can mod and I can't I've been framing it as a kind of fun challenge to accomplish as much as possible within limits for design. Still love seeing what other people can come up with, but I get the sense sometimes people get bitter and jealous instead.

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I wouldn't say jealousy exactly, maybe for some people, but it's more of a ruining of a fun experience. It'd be like playing GTA5 Online and someone keeps killing you over and over and you can't fight back because they've got invincibility. Something like that wouldn't be fun. As for glamour mods: I could see overlooking those as long as it didn't affect other people. In the case of single player games no-one cares if you cheat in those because they're soley for your own entertainment.

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Originally Posted by Jaywalker

I heard about the license pull but not the in-house dubbing. Honestly more power to them. As much of a mess as it's been if this is an eye-opener about what's going on that's something at least. That plus dishonest people being held to account and innocent people finding support. The public should be receiving transparency in the near future at any rate, which hopefully can help prevent further nonsense.

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I hope it happens soon because I just watched a video today about how this incident is spilling over into the YouTube sphere and a certain 'Tuber is being harassed. The people involved are even going after that person's kid. These people are disturbed and they need to be stopped.

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Originally Posted by Jaywalker

Same! Hopefully there'll be opportunity for healthier and more sincere media to crop up going forward.

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Absolutely!

On a slightly related note, you said you were a creator. I was just wondering if you had any tips for motivation. I got my hands on a game engine off of Steam and I've been sitting on it because the idea of using it seems daunting. I have ideas about things I want to make, but the thought of what I need to do to make them a reality is terrifying.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Do you call everyone who doesn't agree with you weird or am I a special case?

I get it, you want sexy bikini armor.
You can just say "I want sexy bikini armor".

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Where have I said I wanted "Bikini armor" which this isn't. Fran wears a full leotard with the stomach cut out and she has a piece of cloth covering it. Aside from it also being *armored.* That's not a Bikini, so when you decide to think for me, please *think harder.*

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

You don't need to drag poor Fran in the mud to do it. :B
Maybe I don't view her as just a flavor text NPC and walking waifu billboard?

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I didn't decide to have her in the game. Ypshi P and the team decided to use her due to FFXII's PS4 upgraded HD rerelease gave them access to an HD, current gen level sprite to use in FFXIV without having to remesh anything.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Maybe I'm actually interested in what going to happen with Dalmasca?
Maybe I want to see the dev team do their own thing with Viera and not just copy-paste them in an attempt to cut-corners?
But that's just me ♥

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They HAVE to cut corners because SquarEnix gives them next to nothing as a functioning work budget since all the Higerups in the company regard XIV as just a revenue battery for other more deserving projects. On top of that, you are not going to see anything else related to Dalmasca in in this game since the 24 man raids in that area have concluded and the point of it was fanservice for thefans of the Ivalice Alliance and Tactics series of games. Like how the coming 24 man raids are going to be for fans of Drakengard and Nier

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

In addition to that, Fran's outfit is already in the game as an asset so that's ultimately why it got used.

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I don't know if it's been brought up elsewhere in this thread (and I really, really cba to go back and look through everything), but I'm just musing over the possiblity that this could indeed be why we've seen the fan fest viera clad in this outfit. Meaning, it was there already, so easiest to use in a pinch; it may not be intended to be a starter outfit at all at this point. Their starter outfit might end up being different, it just wasn't ready in time for the reveal.

If that was the case, then it could become a reward outfit maybe for Dancer gear, or helping buns out with bun stuff or something. With it being so iconic, according to lots of people in this thread and probably elsewhere, it's got to be up there with the Squall/Cloud/Zidane outfits we can all have regardless of gender. This would be great if treated the same!

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Originally Posted by Ceridwenae

I don't know if it's been brought up elsewhere in this thread (and I really, really cba to go back and look through everything), but I'm just musing over the possiblity that this could indeed be why we've seen the fan fest viera clad in this outfit. Meaning, it was there already, so easiest to use in a pinch; it may not be intended to be a starter outfit at all at this point. Their starter outfit might end up being different, it just wasn't ready in time for the reveal.

If that was the case, then it could become a reward outfit maybe for Dancer gear, or helping buns out with bun stuff or something. With it being so iconic, according to lots of people in this thread and probably elsewhere, it's got to be up there with the Squall/Cloud/Zidane outfits we can all have regardless of gender. This would be great if treated the same!

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It's a current asset because Fran was wearing it when they released Orbonne Monastery in 4.4. So yes, its easier to just make her outfit the racial starting gear then designing a whole new outfit for Veira, since it saved the team Time, Money and most of all manpower.

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Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad

It's a current asset because Fran was wearing it when they released Orbonne Monastery in 4.4. So yes, its easier to just make her outfit the racial starting gear then designing a whole new outfit for Veira, since it saved the team Time, Money and most of all manpower.

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But is that actually confirmed?

As in, it's definitely the starter clothing?

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Originally Posted by Ceridwenae

But is that actually confirmed?

As in, it's definitely the starter clothing?

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the veira are wearing that outfit in all their appearances like all races introduced. it is their racial

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Originally Posted by Ceridwenae

But is that actually confirmed?

As in, it's definitely the starter clothing?

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As I remember, they said so when they first showed the video at Fanfest.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

As I remember, they said so when they first showed the video at Fanfest.

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Cheers m'dears. :)

My hopes of my catboi parading around in it pretending he's performing in the Rocky Horror Picture Show are dashed! Oh, woe. XD

I like the top half of the outfit its really nice, does not bother me in the slightest her bottom is showing its how Fran looked in XII.

If they were really fierce they wouldn't need any outfits period. Sure that might make some happy.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Its racial gear. I havent seen anyone complaining about how highlander hempen gear is too sexy/showy (for both genders), or elezen (again both genders)

Why is it an issue now?

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Yea let's compare hempen which is suppose to be undergarments for each race I'm sure viera will even get their own. Instead of idk the actual starter race sets which this is for the viera Wat that logic lol

I'd laugh if the Viera hempen set was more modest than their starter gear.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

If they were really fierce they wouldn't need any outfits period. Sure that might make some happy.

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The ESRB rating did get changed to include partial nudity...

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Originally Posted by Daralii

The ESRB rating did get changed to include partial nudity...

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Was this before or after Garuda, Shiva, Golbert, Sophia and all the succubus enemies in between?