Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

What if the person didn't know it was a "clear" group? Probably dunno never tried but for those that join portals doesn't come to say "Attention you joining a Clear group full of themselves" or "Attention join along we are going to practice together".

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You know there's a premade in there, but you don't want to ask them what they're going for? In that case it's your fault for joining something you don't know what it is and end up dying. And shouldn't be upset if people left you since you can easily end up wiping them if they helped you?

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

What if the person didn't know it was a "clear" group? Probably dunno never tried but for those that join portals doesn't come to say "Attention you joining a Clear group full of themselves" or "Attention join along we are going to practice together".

Maybe just maybe the message that pops when you join portals (dunno never tried) is something like "You are going to enter in A/B dungeon".

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It can happen but if they are running full plate/heal they know exactly what they are doing. But the stablizier change for support it will even be more clearer

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

We started all the way from the beginning, we grind Art/Owain and Raiden for our gears for days before we start to do AV/Ozma. Every run pass raiden will get you 12 seals. Do a few runs for gears then start av/ozma. One does not run before they learn to walk. You know this is extremely similar to what is happen to south border which i will not be specific but the ideology is similiar

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Ty for explaining maybe that was the information missing to the player that joined without being aware well since there are more communication channels in game do not understand why no one had the kindness to explain the player that.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

We never raise the snipers who die onAv (eg, every snipers so far) because we don't want to risk them missplacing a meteor on Ozma or blowing up a group with a acceleration bomb, plus there is no way we d carry someone who feel entitled to take a portal from someone who was scheduled in that run. You sure can take the portal but we are under no obligations helping you complete BA.

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comment like this what giving BA pre-made such a bad propaganda... we both own the portal. me and you. if i get in before you well sucks to be you, same go around.
yes i did BA, yes i clear check my lodestone if you want. just because me and you did a schedule run don't mean we own the portal, just mean we have higher chance at a good team.
Sniping don't exist when we don't own anything . even we kindly ask don't mean they have to give it.

yes Logo expensive, yes we no obligation to raise but better to just shut up and be like "we lost person who could't get in to they portal in time" then harassed them, and inv them to the party/teach them, give them link and tray to educated them. they don't need to be professional player to go in.

treating them like shit, calling them snipers what ended in japan people n doing support fate because how bad BA can behave.

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Originally Posted by LastFireAce

comment like this what giving BA pre-made such a bad propaganda... we both own the portal. me and you. if i get in before you well sucks to be you, same go around.
yes i did BA, yes i clear check my lodestone if you want. just because me and you did a schedule run don't mean we own the portal, just mean we have higher chance at a good team.
Sniping don't exist when we don't own anything . even we kindly ask don't mean they have to give it.

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But we all agree we do not have the raise the sniper, correct? I don't like sniper but they have a right to be there but we also have the right not to raise them or invite them to pt.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

You know there's a premade in there, but you don't want to ask them what they're going for? In that case it's your fault for joining something you don't know what it is and end up dying. And shouldn't be upset if people left you since you can easily end up wiping them if they helped you?

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If sometime was to join would ask 1st via game communication channel when join such dungeon/raid would go prepared and would learn and practice like someone else who does for the 1st/2nd time and no wouldn't make it with the purpose to wipe them like you wrote before.

Highly doubt the game inform any player that tries to join BA portal if is a pre made or random group.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

A: No no I know about sacrifice. It wasn’t that they didn’t raise me, it’s that they told people not to raise me. As in, I stayed to watch the rest of the fight and after they killed AV I used return to leave and shouted for a raise and the people started shouting not to raise me cause I took their spot and it’s my own fault I’m dead.

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If your friend was expecting a Sacrifice in the middle of AV, they were mistaken. I've never seen healers Sacrifice L in the middle of a fight (and only know if one occasion where it was done for NA, which was during Ozma to raise a tank). Healers need to be up to handle his healing requirements. They can't just Sacrifice themselves and hope their Remembered procs mid-fight. It's a huge risk, and I certainly wouldn't take it.

Also, if your friend had released from the instance, they would have already deleveled. I'm fairly certain that you cannot use the Return function while dead, so her "Return" would have to be the release dialogue box you see when you die in any content.

The only way I know to avoid the delevel is to wait for the BA timer to expire before your Raise timer so that your corpse is kicked out of the dungeon and spawned at the base. This only works if your group 1. Waits until ~8 minutes on the BA timer to pull AV, and 2. Actually wipes to AV, as you are granted an extension when you clear each boss.

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Originally Posted by Physic

what the dude is claiming is they harassed her on entry, gloried in her death, and lobbied to get no one to raise her after getting kicked from instance. If this is true, thats the big offense.

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The bolded statement is impossible to be true. If OP's friend died during AV, and subsequently released because no one was Sacrificing for her, she would automatically delevel. If she waited out her Raise timer and was automatically booted, she would delevel. The only way to not delevel is to have the BA timer expire before your Raise timer, so that you are spawned at the camp dead where people can raise you. But, since it seems that the group cleared AV, this is also impossible. You are granted a time extension for clearing each boss, so her BA instance timer would now long exceed her Raise timer.

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

But we all agree we do not have the raise the sniper, correct? I don't like sniper but they have a right to be there but we also have the right not to raise them or invite them to pt.

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read my comment agent i finish editing it.

yes you should inv them to party, educated them, give them discord link.... after all what done is done. they inside no the other person.

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Originally Posted by LastFireAce

comment like this what giving BA pre-made such a bad propaganda... we both own the portal. me and you. if i get in before you well sucks to be you, same go around.
yes i did BA, yes i clear check my lodestone if you want. just because me and you did a schedule run don't mean we own the portal, just mean we have higher chance at a good team.
Sniping don't exist when we don't own anything . even we kindly ask don't mean they have to give it.

yes Logo expensive, yes we no obligation to raise but better to just shut up and be like "we lost person who could't get in to they portal in time" then harassed them, and inv them to the party/teach them, give them link and tray to educated them. they don't need to be professional player to go in.

treating them like shit, calling them snipers what ended in japan people n doing support fate because how bad BA can behave.

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The problem is if they want to learn, go through the proper channel.

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

The problem is if they want to learn, go through the proper channel.

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or they can go in and pug it, if they new they won't know thos channel just want to go inside a portal is they choice. :)

i mean you can harassed them and call them out.... won't do much besides ruin our already ruin BA attitude.

help and educated. don't be dicks. if they in, they in.

when i lead my group and someone new go in, i normally say "you poor soul welcome to BA" tray to teach them how it go, normally they answer with "sorry my bad" we tray to get them going.

if they in, they in. them leaving no gonna bring the other guy,whoever did no make it can join support.

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Originally Posted by LastFireAce

read my comment agent i finish editing it.

yes you should inv them to party, educated them, give them discord link.... after all what done is done. they inside no the other person.

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actually no the parties are under no obligation to invite anyone who enters a portal nor teach if they don't want to or res them the only obligation they have is to not hurl insults its the same as a 7 man party not inviting a random 8th person to a hunt would it be beneficial yes are they obligated no same rule here since both are public

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

actually no the parties are under no obligation to invite anyone who enters a portal nor teach if they don't want to or res them the only obligation they have is to not hurl insults its the same as a 7 man party not inviting a random 8th person to a hunt would it be beneficial yes are they obligated no same rule here since both are public

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yup that exactly why people gonna continue to get in your portal. :)

just like Pre-made can be dicks then thos 88 other can be dicks to you. just remember different here BA Pre made need to be in good side of thos 88 other, we need them more they need us.

we pre made basically dead meat. we don't help spawn NM, we only do BA and spawn one fate then harassed them (pulse we get all the loot) .

if thos 88 don't wana help us, go inside portal, don't do support. then we BA pre made F***.

we need to be good to other for them to be good to us.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

actually no the parties are under no obligation to invite anyone who enters a portal nor teach if they don't want to or res them the only obligation they have is to not hurl insults its the same as a 7 man party not inviting a random 8th person to a hunt would it be beneficial yes are they obligated no same rule here since both are public

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That is exactly what makes this game different from the others the community used to be more friendly, more patient specially towards other players learning the mechanics if the community is changing to something really worse is up to you to deal with that same attitude towards you as player when you find yourself in a similar in game situation.

Elitism and what not.

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Originally Posted by LastFireAce

yes Logo expensive, yes we no obligation to raise but better to just shut up and be like "we lost person who could't get in to they portal in time" then harassed them, and inv them to the party/teach them, give them link and tray to educated them. they don't need to be professional player to go in.

treating them like shit, calling them snipers what ended in japan people n doing support fate because how bad BA can behave.

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Don't forget that the other side also admitted to actively take portals only when they know a premade was there out of spite. Those also gave a negative image their side. So you can't just blame the premades for their behavior if ruining their runs. But harassment is against TOS, no argument here.

If someone had no idea and just by accident joined, then we have many times told them they can join the discord channel if they wanted to have organized runs and learn the content. It's not a secret cult that only the top join. They organize practice runs, frag runs, prog runs and clear runs. But when it's already a clear run, I would be out of my mind if I expected them to invite me to teach me how the fight goes if a simple mistake from me can wipe them.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

If sometime was to join would ask 1st via game communication channel when join such dungeon/raid would go prepared and would learn and practice like someone else who does for the 1st/2nd time and no wouldn't make it with the purpose to wipe them like you wrote before.

Highly doubt the game inform any player that tries to join BA portal if is a pre made or random group.

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I'm a bit lost on what you're trying to say here. But if there's a group already (be it premade or randoms) if you join in solo, then you handle the risk of being left alone without a group or not getting a raise. The game doesn't tell you anything about the groups, but it does tell you it's a punishing content. But if you really wanna know if it's a premade or not, you have shout chat to ask. If they did respond or not, that doesn't change the fact that if you go in solo, you risk doing the content without a group.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

That is exactly what makes this game different from the others the community used to be more friendly, more patient specially towards other players learning the mechanics if the community is changing to something really worse is up to you to deal with that same attitude towards you as player when you find yourself in a similar in game situation.

Elitism and what not.

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The problem is, you're treating a content designed for hardcore players as something made for casuals. These are not contents that you can finish even if you died 100 times in it. You can easily waste hrs for people that are trying to do it because you're not trained enough. In savage raids, if you can't find a practice party, you make your own. You never join something that you're not currently at or you risk being kicked and black listed by a lot.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

Don't forget that the other side also admitted to actively take portals only when they know a premade was there out of spite. Those also gave a negative image their side. So you can't just blame the premades for their behavior if ruining their runs. But harassment is against TOS, no argument here.

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yea din't talk about thos, why? well because some thos actually in the discord group and clear multiple time. they don't care if they get kick out since they clear. Ass gonna be ass regardless they more happy when BA start to harassed them.

this why im more worry about new player who go in.

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Originally Posted by LastFireAce

read my comment agent i finish editing it.

yes you should inv them to party, educated them, give them discord link.... after all what done is done. they inside no the other person.

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The issue with your statement is that I've been in groups where the organizers tried to get the snipers into Discord just so they can listen to callouts, and the snipers refused (there were a few that did join on one of my Ozma prog runs, but most I've encountered have refused to join the Discord). At that point, if they die, they've clearly shown that they aren't willing to cooperate with the group, so why should the group Sacrifice for them and try to teach?

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

The issue with your statement is that I've been in groups where the organizers tried to get the snipers into Discord just so they can listen to callouts, and the snipers refused (there were a few that did join on one of my Ozma prog runs, but most I've encountered have refused to join the Discord). At that point, if they die, they've clearly shown that they aren't willing to cooperate with the group, so why should the group Sacrifice for them and try to teach?

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if you tray to teach them, they unwilling to learn then leave them dead. but this no case i'm referring too. if someone who clearly being ass then oh well.

If they actually being helpful and listing why no help them.

This "sniping doesn't exist" argument is funny because it seems to imply we're equating sniping a portal to theft.

No one owns the portals, we in the discord and those who are actively against the discords for whatever reason know this. You can't "steal" a portal because no one owns it, you can "snipe" a portal. Just like you can snipe something at the last minute on ebay. You can snipe the last cookie before a sibling can eat it. You didn't steal anything, you just sniped it. It's only a big deal when it's happened for about the 6th time that day.

People put too much weight on a word that's been warped by a game of semantics.

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Originally Posted by LastFireAce

yea din't talk about thos, why? well because some thos actually in the discord group and clear multiple time. they don't care if they get kick out since they clear. Ass gonna be ass regardless they more happy when BA start to harassed them.

this why im more worry about new player who go in.

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Nope, go read the "BA shows that we fail as a Community (big time)" thread and you'll see the ones I'm talking about. They were never in the discord group and don't even have the mount. And they admit to doing so out of spite. And there's another one that got salty for being kicked out of discord for sniping portals.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

I'm a bit lost on what you're trying to say here. But if there's a group already (be it premade or randoms) if you join in solo, then you handle the risk of being left alone without a group or not getting a raise. The game doesn't tell you anything about the groups, but it does tell you it's a punishing content. But if you really wanna know if it's a premade or not, you have shout chat to ask. If they did respond or not, that doesn't change the fact that if you go in solo, you risk doing the content without a group.

The problem is, you're treating a content designed for hardcore players as something made for casuals. These are not contents that you can finish even if you died 100 times in it. You can easily waste hrs for people that are trying to do it because you're not trained enough. In savage raids, if you can't find a practice party, you make your own. You never join something that you're not currently at or you risk being kicked and black listed by a lot.

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Trying to say that just like any other player the person who joined could do it with no intention of wipe their BA team but with the intention to learn and try new content. :)

Ok understand that some players have different opportunities in game and for that they turn out to be "casuals" or the other you mentioned, but that doesn't change the fact that the "casuals" sometimes would like to try the content apparently JUST directed to the others.

Never tried BA dungeon/raid/whatever if would like YES would like but after reading this thread one thing am sure will never try.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

Nope, go read the "BA shows that we fail as a Community (big time)" thread and you'll see the ones I'm talking about. They were never in the discord group and don't even have the mount. And they admit to doing so out of spite. And there's another one that got salty for being kicked out of discord for sniping portals.

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the thing is, we can't do much about thos. but to ignore them. even them, just treat them "nice", we won.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

Trying to say that just like any other player the person who joined could do it with no intention of wipe their BA team but with the intention to learn and try new content. :)

Ok understand that some players have different opportunities in game and for that they turn out to be "casuals" or the other you mentioned, but that doesn't change the fact that the "casuals" sometimes would like to try the content apparently directed JUST to the others.

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If a casual player wants to try out a savage raid for example, then they should start at the very beginning. The issue with these kind of content is that they're designed to cause a full party wipe from the single mistake of a single player. So someone who isn't confident enough to do the mechanics, shouldn't join. For example, I shouldn't join a clear party when I don't know anything.

If you turned out to not know anything in a savage clear party, the players will know and will kick you out. The only thing they wasted was the run time of the pulls that you got them killed in. But in BA it's much more severe. Not only you may end up wiping them, but the entire run would be wasted and they would have to most likely wait more hrs to get into another run.

So if someone wants to try BA, they should just simply ask people how to start and they will be directed. The big warning at the beginning clearly shows it's not a content that you should just blindly go in without any preparations.

And let's imagine there were no discord or similar software available. What will happen is that giant FCs or linkshells would be the ones that will run the show for BA. If you're lucky to be in one of them, they will most likely help you get the clear. And if you're not, that's one content that you might not be able to do.

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Originally Posted by LastFireAce

the thing is, we can't do much about thos. but to ignore them. even them, just treat them "nice", we won.

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That's what we do lol. We don't harass them or anything (those who do will have to handle the consequences of being reported). But if they can't hold their own against boss mechanics, it's not wise to risk the entire run for them. There are also new people who practiced to get the clear and it would be very unfair if their run was destroyed by a random who joined without knowing anything or someone that is being salty about "premades are monopolizing BA" and is trying to mess up the run.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

If a casual player wants to try out a savage raid for example, then they should start at the very beginning. The issue with these kind of content is that they're designed to cause a full party wipe from the single mistake of a single player. So someone who isn't confident enough to do the mechanics, shouldn't join. For example, I shouldn't join a clear party when I don't know anything.

If you turned out to not know anything in a savage clear party, the players will know and will kick you out. The only thing they wasted was the run time of the pulls that you got them killed in. But in BA it's much more severe. Not only you may end up wiping them, but the entire run would be wasted and they would have to most likely wait more hrs to get into another run.

So if someone wants to try BA, they should just simply ask people how to start and they will be directed. The big warning at the beginning clearly shows it's not a content that you should just blindly go in without any preparations.

And let's imagine there were no discord or similar software available. What will happen is that giant FCs or linkshells would be the ones that will run the show for BA. If you're lucky to be in one of them, they will most likely help you get the clear. And if you're not, that's one content that you might not be able to do.

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Clearly understand what you saying but you obviously have no notion on how divisive that sounds if one player like me "casual" as the will to try such content and wants to spend time learning and practicing with a previous request, but has the SAD luck to put up with an attitude like that jesas better let you hug and eat the content because is just going to be a bad experience to anyone who wants to enjoy the game.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

Trying to say that just like any other player the person who joined could do it with no intention of wipe their BA team but with the intention to learn and try new content. :)

Ok understand that some players have different opportunities in game and for that they turn out to be "casuals" or the other you mentioned, but that doesn't change the fact that the "casuals" sometimes would like to try the content apparently JUST directed to the others.

Never tried BA dungeon/raid/whatever if would like YES would like but after reading this thread one thing am sure will never try.

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I assure you if you try to join a pre-formed group you won't have a bad experience, in learning groups people are patient with newbies and everything is explained before every boss, no one teaches a learning group without expecting deaths at the first or second bosses, you just have to know if you die early it's unlikely you will get raise due to the cost of Sacrifice L (both in gil and in someone else potentially staying dead), but that shouldn't stop you from gaining experience.

I think anyone is capable of clearing BA, but you have to take it in steps, those support portals don't put you at the first bosses, they put you at the last 2 bosses where you both need to know what you're doing and need to have correct logograms.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

I assure you if you try to join a pre-formed group you won't have a bad experience, in learning groups people are patient with newbies and everything is explained before every boss, no one teaches a learning group without expecting deaths at the first or second bosses, you just have to know if you die early it's unlikely you will get raise due to the cost of Sacrifice L (both in gil and in someone else potentially staying dead), but that shouldn't stop you from gaining experience.

I think anyone is capable of clearing BA, but you have to take it in steps, those support portals don't put you at the first bosses, they put you at the last 2 bosses where you both need to know what you're doing and need to have correct logograms.

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Appreciate you informing that there are groups willing to have a good game experience and share it with others even if casuals.

-Have studied text guides and videos

-Is a tank

-Has Spirit of the Remembered, Wisdom the the Indomitable, Wisdom of the Martialist and Protect logos

-Bought the Kirin Osode of Fending off the market board for the +131 elemental bonus

-Can consistently handle Extreme and Savage mechanics

-Doesn't use Discord, so is NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY! DISCORD ONLY FOOL!

Stonewalled.

Feels bad.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

Clearly understand what you saying but you obviously have no notion on how divisive that sounds if one player like me "casual" as the will to try such content and wants to spend time learning and practicing with a previous request, but has the SAD luck to put up with an attitude like that jesas better let you hug and eat the content because is just going to be a bad experience to anyone who wants to enjoy the game.

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Oh no that wasn't what I was going for, as Alimdia said, there are groups for learning BA and they are patient with newbies. They take about 5-7 min just to explain how the fight goes for the boss if there are any new people and offer call outs for them on discord. They also explain to you what logos you need, what they do and when to use them. And since the intention is learning, they raise dead players that fall during the first two bosses. The people on discord offer frag runs (which is basically the ones people join for first practice), AV prog and clear, Ozma prog and Ozma clear.

When I started, I did it in steps by joining with the appropriate party. If you were to join AV clear party while being fresh, no one will explain anything about Art and Owain or Raiden, since they will assume you know them. So that would be the worst way to practice them.

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Originally Posted by Mixt

-Have studied text guides and videos

-Is a tank

-Has Spirit of the Remembered, Wisdom the the Indomitable, Wisdom of the Martialist and Protect logos

-Bought the Kirin Osode of Fending off the market board for the +131 elemental bonus

-Can consistently handle Extreme and Savage mechanics

-Doesn't use Discord, so is NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY! DISCORD ONLY FOOL!

Stonewalled.

Feels bad.

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NA/EU primarily organize via Discord. I can’t speak for any DC but Aether, but the amount of in-instance planning for BA is virtually non-existant. All groups on Aether are formed outside of the instance, typically via the Arsenal discord. When there is not a pre-made group within an Hydatos instance, there is virtually no attempts to even try the content—occasionally you see maybe half a dozen shout “lfg BA” and maybe a dozen or so actually going into the dungeon, but other than that, the only interest players show in BA is when they seem to be aware that there’s already a premade inside the instance.

Perhaps you should just try the Discord route?

Some ppl just dont wanna do the discord route, no matter anything. And we just cant do a learning as no one will ever try... like the delevel is soooo bad.... but i just gave up on it. Just another mistake SE made.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Some ppl just dont wanna do the discord route, no matter anything. And we just cant do a learning as no one will ever try... like the delevel is soooo bad.... but i just gave up on it. Just another mistake SE made.

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Attempting to go against the system just out of a principle of stubbornness never seems to work well for anyone. If people want a clear, all I can do is recommend that they attempt to get one in the way their region typically does things—it’s much easier to go with the flow than against it. And, if you delevel through trying, you just go to Sprite Island with some Reflect L and level up again. It takes 20~30 minutes there at the most, and really isn’t that bad. A lot of players that have progged BA have also deleveled. Just comes with the territory.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Attempting to go against the system just out of a principle of stubbornness never seems to work well for anyone. If people want a clear, all I can do is recommend that they attempt to get one in the way their region typically does things—it’s much easier to go with the flow than against it. And, if you delevel through trying, you just go to Sprite Island with some Reflect L and level up again. It takes 20~30 minutes there at the most, and really isn’t that bad. A lot of players that have progged BA have also deleveled. Just comes with the territory.

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I've often taken reflect and not needed it because the party there will allow me to pop in for 3-4 pulls. If possible, I like to spend my reflect I brought on those pulls as a bit of payback though.

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Originally Posted by AnnaMolly

I've often taken reflect and not needed it because the party there will allow me to pop in for 3-4 pulls. If possible, I like to spend my reflect I brought on those pulls as a bit of payback though.

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From what I’ve seen, in a lot of the prog groups there have been players that with take those who ended up deleveling during BA to Sprite Island just to get them back to 60 again. During one of my many Ozma clear runs, we had a near alliance wipe at 5%, and afterwards, those that weren’t Raised with Sacrifice all formed groups and went to Sprite Island and took turns leveling back up again.

Deleveling honestly isn’t as bad as some people think.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

From what I’ve seen, in a lot of the prog groups there have been players that with take those who ended up deleveling during BA to Sprite Island just to get them back to 60 again. During one of my many Ozma clear runs, we had a near alliance wipe at 5%, and afterwards, those that weren’t Raised with Sacrifice all formed groups and went to Sprite Island and took turns leveling back up again.

Deleveling honestly isn’t as bad as some people think.

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I was surprised how fast it goes, weather permitting. I was also pleasantly surprised being invited despite being part of "that mean-ol nasty discord" lol I honestly assumed a lot of people wouldn't want me knowing I'd just came out of BA.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Some ppl just dont wanna do the discord route, no matter anything. And we just cant do a learning as no one will ever try... like the delevel is soooo bad.... but i just gave up on it. Just another mistake SE made.

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I mean if they can get a group of 16-32 in the stance they can go in themselve without discord. No one is stopping them from going in. Half of the instance doesn't have a group. And tbh, I don't think i see anyone learn savage without voice.

Says no one can learn Savage without voice chat.

-Has done exactly that.

Umm...sorry to tell you this, but you are totally wrong on that count.

Maybe if we were talking about Ultimate you would have a point.

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

I mean if they can get a group of 16-32 in the stance they can go in themselve without discord. No one is stopping them from going in. Half of the instance doesn't have a group. And tbh, I don't think i see anyone learn savage without voice.

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You can easily learn and clear Savage without VC (though I do know learning groups have Discords out there for the ease of voice callouts), but the differences between Savage and BA are:

—You can be raised as many times as healer MP allows in Savage. In BA, your only method of Raise is Sacrifice L or a healer LB3 for the boss fights (though, you shouldn’t have to even need it). It’s certainly not a war of attrition, as death is actually punishing in there. Yes, death punishes you in Savage in that you may not meet the enrage, but you aren’t completely out of commission the entire fight if you get killed by something (unless the healer simply cannot raise you due to MP).

—When you wipe in Savage, you don’t have to reprog sometimes hours worth of content—you just go back to the beginning of a 8~10-minute fight (or the checkpoint, if it’s the final floor of a tier and you made it to the second half). It’s not quick to get to AV or Ozma, and this is exacerbated by the amount of time you’ve already spent trying to get all 7 parties into the same instance.

—Savage doesn’t have anything like the coordination I’ve observed between parties when it comes to things like the trash. Groups typically have tanks in each element, and call out what they are pulling. Though I’ve seen some frag runs where tanks just run in (that can go badly), I like the organized “Water tank, pull that frog”. Yeah, you can type these things in chat, but I’ve learned that people don’t always read the chat (like when I say in /yell I’m Sac-ing for X but another person Sacs instead so I’m just standing there like “okay”—I’ve started unmuting myself to call out Sacs now lol).


When I’ve invested ~3 hours already trying to get into BA and get to AV/Ozma, I’d rather have an organized group of players who know what they are doing, know the mechanics, and that are in a VC for important call outs instead of something blind where maybe people will post macros for mechanical explanations (which may or may not get completely processed before the pull). While I can focus on multiple things at once, I know that there are plenty others that cannot, and even more that just tunnel (and even I’ve done this sometimes). It’s easy to forget about the Ozmashades, for example, and then get hit by their mechanics—and I’ve seen this even with someone calling out the shade’s mechancis in VC.

I’ll do Savage with no VCs, but I’d rather have them for something like BA even if I don’t personally need callouts. It’s more so for the sake of the other 55 people in there lol.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

That is exactly what makes this game different from the others the community used to be more friendly, more patient specially towards other players learning the mechanics if the community is changing to something really worse is up to you to deal with that same attitude towards you as player when you find yourself in a similar in game situation.

Elitism and what not.

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What? No. What rose colored glasses are you wearing? Whether it was EQ or DAoC of FFXI or anything else, in the other games you were at best being excluded from even trying a fight because the uberguilds would get first claim and the rules said you couldn’t engage. At worst they were MPKing you. And if it was a valuable spawn in UO or EVE or something, they were just flat out killing you and fighting the boss over your corpse.

I don't associate with BA and in return they don't associate with me. Works out well for everyone.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

Trying to say that just like any other player the person who joined could do it with no intention of wipe their BA team but with the intention to learn and try new content. :)

Ok understand that some players have different opportunities in game and for that they turn out to be "casuals" or the other you mentioned, but that doesn't change the fact that the "casuals" sometimes would like to try the content apparently JUST directed to the others.

Never tried BA dungeon/raid/whatever if would like YES would like but after reading this thread one thing am sure will never try.

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Wait, you know you can join a premade even as a casual, right ? Unless you find it hardcore to pop on a discord, look at the planning of the scheduled runs, and turn in when the run is sheduled to happen.

There aren't any prerequisites on the number of runs you have to attend.

Furthermore, BA isn't marketed as casual content (see the disclaimer you accepted when unlocking it, even though it is BS because it isn't hard with a bit or organization).

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Originally Posted by LastFireAce

comment like this what giving BA pre-made such a bad propaganda... we both own the portal. me and you. if i get in before you well sucks to be you, same go around.
yes i did BA, yes i clear check my lodestone if you want. just because me and you did a schedule run don't mean we own the portal, just mean we have higher chance at a good team.
Sniping don't exist when we don't own anything . even we kindly ask don't mean they have to give it.

yes Logo expensive, yes we no obligation to raise but better to just shut up and be like "we lost person who could't get in to they portal in time" then harassed them, and inv them to the party/teach them, give them link and tray to educated them. they don't need to be professional player to go in.

treating them like shit, calling them snipers what ended in japan people n doing support fate because how bad BA can behave.

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Nowhere in my post did I say you should harass the snipers or anything : on our discord we aren't interecting with them in any way (and that also include not raising them).

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Originally Posted by Mixt

Says no one can learn Savage without voice chat.

-Has done exactly that.

Umm...sorry to tell you this, but you are totally wrong on that count.

Maybe if we were talking about Ultimate you would have a point.

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No one learns Ultimate without voice chat.

-Except that guy who will say he did to prove me wrong

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