[DEV ???] Primal weapons need to go to pool. 100 battles 0 weapons (100% Totem/Nut)

took 47 tries but i finally got a weapon. Ifrit's Cane

I even told my ls that if I didnt get one tonight after we got my 50th win I wasnt going to fight him anymore.

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Originally Posted by Maxthunder

The system that ffxi use has been hi-jacked for the benefit of the few. The LS leads think just because they are the lead or what not believe they are entitled to any item that drops 1st, and this goes for groups of players as well. We dont need other players demanding that every1 pass on the things that drop if you want them, everyone goes to an event everyone should have the same chance of lotting an item regardless if you are the LS lead or not.

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Wow sounds like you just had bad groups. You could do what I did and just started your own ls. I had a fantastic group of ppl. Took awhile to find em but when I did it all went smooth, everyone got what they needed first and we all helped each other get the drops we needed/wanted. Its not a bad system, there are just a few bad eggs. But if you take time to pay attn the bad eggs are in the minority

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

like I said before, and I will say it here, don't take the few experiences you had with endgame LSs, and call it fact, I was in a very good LS and none of this ever happened in mine, the leader was very respectful, and upheld the looting rules and point system very well.

This system was not SEs fault, it was crooked players, and No amount of changing the loot system would change the way these players operate.

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I agree too. I played FFXI for almost 8 years until they raised the caps to 75/80. I wasn't interested in playing after that. Besides FFXIV was coming out in a little over a month so I switched over.

Every LS i had be it for dynamis, or sea or sky was great. You must have joined all the garbage LS.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

Until now, that is. When you get down to it, there's no drama between players over drops in the current system. It's either anger against SE or nothing. But player-on-player crime is averted. :p

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So SE is basically saying "Let us be your lightning rod of hate!".

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Originally Posted by Velhart

So SE is basically saying "Let us be your lightning rod of hate!".

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This? =D /10char

Please no don't copy FFXI's /random system. >.>

I'd much rather the totems be 100% drop rate. Possibly increase it to 20 totems for Ifrit weapon and 30 for Moogle weapon. Going 15-20 battles and getting nothing but Dark Matter every time is discouraging. >.>

The worst is getting duplicates thou. I have had all 7 weapons from Ifrit for a while, but I farm tapers in hopes of passing totems to my friends. I have a couple who have over 30 wins and yet to get a weapon. But guess what I got 3 weapons this last set of Ifrit runs. What a waste. PLEASE eliminate the duplicate weapon thing in the future. If it's not possible with the current client, PLEASE get rid of it for 2.0. Duplicate sucks!

Are you even opening the chest? This may be your problem.

I have not even won it 10 times and already have 2 ifrit weapons. I really dont get what your problem is. Its roughly 10% to earn a weapon anyway.

I think either you have very bad luck or your game is messed up. I think your not even opening the chest and your expecting the item to be in your pool when another player opens the chest.

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Originally Posted by Venat

Are you even opening the chest? This may be your problem.

I have not even won it 10 times and already have 2 ifrit weapons. I really dont get what your problem is. Its roughly 10% to earn a weapon anyway.

I think either you have very bad luck or your game is messed up. I think your not even opening the chest and your expecting the item to be in your pool when another player opens the chest.

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I suggested s/he may have his/her inventory full, but got called retarded.

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Originally Posted by Venat

I have not even won it 10 times and already have 2 ifrit weapons. I really dont get what your problem is. Its roughly 10% to earn a weapon anyway.

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THIS IS CALLED HAVING GOOD LUCK. How is it so hard to grasp that when random numbers are involved, your personal experience might not be the same as everyone else? You "don't get" what the problem is because you got lucky! Congratulations, but some people end up getting unlucky and go way too long without seeing anything for their efforts.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

THIS IS CALLED HAVING GOOD LUCK. How is it so hard to grasp that when random numbers are involved, your personal experience might not be the same as everyone else? You "don't get" what the problem is because you got lucky! Congratulations, but some people end up getting unlucky and go way too long without seeing anything for their efforts.

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I don't think it's hard to grasp at all -- It seems that a lot of other factors aren't being taken into consideration as well since if you have full inventory for example nothing will go into it if the system drops things into your inventory automatically, not saying that's the case here but it is another factor to take into consideration.

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Originally Posted by Answa

I suggested s/he may have his/her inventory full, but got called retarded.

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Sounds about right on these forums.

Taken from Rienhart's translation page:


Rep Response - 01/04/12 Moogle Nut / Totem drop rate

This one is regarding the moogle nut / totem item needed to trade to get Ifrit/Moogle weapon - JP side also complaining some playing not getting any nut/totem drop and here's reps response

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Quote Originally Posted by Triairy View Post
皆さん、あけましておめでとうございます。
本年もどうかよろしくお願いいたします。
Happy New Year everyone,
Looking forward to being together this year also (hard to translate this part lol, yoroshiku isn't really commonly used in English community so dunno how to explain this one... anyways)

クポの実のお守りや焔神のトーテム像のドロップ率は、そこまで低い確率ではないのですが、
なかなか取得できないという声も頂いています。
The drop rate for the moogle nut or the totem isn't that low but we have received voice that it's really hard to obtain.

この2つのドロップ率については、調整を検討しているのですが、
ドロップ率を上げた場合でも、やはり人によっては取得できない！ということは考えられるため、
「ドロップ率を100％にし、一度に取得できる数を減らす」方向で検討を行っています。
For these two drop rate we are looking into adjusting, but if we increase the drop rate there may be situation where some will say they can't obtain! so we are looking into making the drop rate 100% and lessening the amount you can obtain at once (per round)

引き続きフィードバックをお待ちしています。
please continue giving feedbacks


Looks like drop rate is group limited and not player limited? Discuss!

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Originally Posted by Venat

Are you even opening the chest? This may be your problem.

I have not even won it 10 times and already have 2 ifrit weapons. I really dont get what your problem is. Its roughly 10% to earn a weapon anyway.

I think either you have very bad luck or your game is messed up. I think your not even opening the chest and your expecting the item to be in your pool when another player opens the chest.

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This one guy we had for awhile didn't open the chest on like his first 5 kills and was wondering why he wasn't getting anything.........

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Originally Posted by Answa

I suggested s/he may have his/her inventory full, but got called retarded.

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I simply thought you were trying to be funny. Of course i would not go into a fight with maxed out inventory. Even still it would be in the log. And yes I am opening the chest as I know full well I am getting between 1-7 dark mattes each time.

@Ninesunz from Translation thread:

Moogle weapons are 37 out of 45 kills, or 82% of all Moogle runs drop a weapon. This means any certain individuals chance of getting a weapon is 10.2%, which is nearly identical to Ifrits weapon drop rate.

5 /45 runs we did not receive a nut, nor a weapon.

Most weapons 1 run was 4.
Most nuts 1 run was 3 (happened 5 times).

I don't think its a bad system atm for LS. Maybe for PUG it becomes a bit harsh... but if I read that correct and its 1 Nut per group per run, then its going to be worse than it is currently perhaps even.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

I 100% support this thread.

I'm sorry, but this is the worst drop system I have ever seen in an MMO. I remember the original reason being was because they were scared of ninja looting. I will tell you right now, I much rather take the chance of someone ninja looting my item than deal with this god awful system.

Others are right, SE is worried that people will stop playing after getting their item. I can tell you right now, more people are quitting simply because of this drop system. No one should ever have to deal with this type of system, I could go as far to say the system is simply cruel. I am on the edge myself because of this.

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Well said.

To Yoshida-san,

As the majority of the people in this thread (and numerous threads have stated), your current Primal Loot System is the WORST "feature" you've added to this game, bar none.

You're showing us so much promise for Final Fantasy XIV Version 2.0, you're trying to get us excited and tell us to wait, and then come up with a LAME, TERRIBLE EXCUSE for a Time Sink in making this current Primal Loot System (of Forcing the Untradeable Item into your Inventory).

Don't give us the lame excuse that "you're afraid of Ninja Looting" so that's why you gave us this system. Patch 1.18 and Dzemael Darkhold proved that there were NO PROBLEMS with having Unique Raid Gear drop into a Loot Pool so people could actually pass and give it to their friends and LS members in party.

Just admit that this is a Time Sink and allow *us* to decide HOW we want to spend our time.

You clearly didn't make enough content between patches so far, so you're giving us this terrible Loot System in the hopes of "stalling" us. But it's only frustrating the vast majority of the Players.

It's better to let Rewards drop into the Loot Pool (you have this functionality already and it worked just fine in Dzemael Darkhold), and let US decide how we want to spend our extra time inbetween patches waiting.

Forcing us with this system IS driving people away.

And as others have said, I sincerely hope the new Job Specific Equipment (JSE / AF (Artifact Armor)) "Quests" don't end up being something similar with, "Random Forced Drop in your Inventory" / Repeat for the next 3 months.

Don't undermine all the positive things you've done for this game and all the great promise that 2.0 shows with this crappy Loot System.

(On a side note, there are other ways to create Time Sinks to keep us busy between Patches right now... e.g., rebalance the Unique / Untradeable Gear and allow some sort of Materia Melding, etc., which would then drive people to actually replay your old content (since you can blow up Raid Gear by accident with Materia).)

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Originally Posted by Venat

Are you even opening the chest? This may be your problem.

I have not even won it 10 times and already have 2 ifrit weapons. I really dont get what your problem is. Its roughly 10% to earn a weapon anyway.

I think either you have very bad luck or your game is messed up. I think your not even opening the chest and your expecting the item to be in your pool when another player opens the chest.

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A 10% chance to get a weapon is a 90% chance to not get a weapon.

.90^100 = Odds of not having a weapon after 100 kills = about .000027, or .0027%, or 1:37,649. That's not horribly unlikely, so I don't get why y'all're assuming he's doing something stupid. . .

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

A 10% chance to get a weapon is a 90% chance to not get a weapon.

.90^100 = Odds of not having a weapon after 100 kills = about .000027, or .0027%, or 1:37,649. That's not horribly unlikely, so I don't get why y'all're assuming he's doing something stupid. . .

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Exactly form a statistical average point I should have a weapon. I should have 10.. but the reality is I have still got 0.

This weekend just passed my server hit rock bottom. There was only enough people at any one time to make at most 2 Moogle party. While the majority of them did so I flat out refused to go.

I've never felt so good.

Managed to get 1000 hits on mining node. Several items to trade for seals. And a lot of crafting done.. Now that is progress not like this Moogle/Ifrit crap. I have something to show for it. All this in the same time I would have wasted another 30+ Moogle fights for a stack of dark matter.

Almost 200 likes and still no dev response.

The drop rate for totems are fine. I just think they need to put the weapons into the loot list so we can give them to other people like the totems. It will solve a lot of problems.

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Originally Posted by Haru

Almost 200 likes and still no dev response.

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This could be because they have allready said this issue was being adressed by one of two means.