Silver chest farming in PotD, harassed by speedrunners. (More ingored PvE harassment)

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Originally Posted by RubenSnizzle

I'm 99/99 and currently leveling a ninja, if u want to explore the whole map while the teleport is open, go ahead, i just won't go unless your dying. There's just no point in exploring every section of the map when they make it so easy to max out, let alone be 90/90 for the weapons.

I always wait at the teleport once its open while people explore the map, i never saw any of them complain to me. When ever i see topic like these, there must of been something else in there that they don't tell. Cause i personally never saw any potd drama about getting chest or speedrunning.

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I understand the concern. Your attitude about it though is not what most do in potd at least in my experience. They'd rather behave inappropriately to try and get their way. I have seen trollish behavior from both sides of the spectrum though.

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Originally Posted by Keikun

OP, you wont get a good answer off this people, cause guess what? 90% of the people here are actually "speed runners, pro players elitist maximum" AKA noob players with big dreams, so yeah, toxic community is toxic~

They support the idea of "If im 99/99 then you should play my way, not yours"

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Your post is more overtly antagonistic than anything I've seen pop up in party chat with one of my random groups in the last month or so. Take that as you will.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

So, let me ask you this: Assuming we would end up in a run - you and your friend wanting chests; me and my friend wanting only the exp (and therefor faster progression by not going fo chests) - and I propose that we go and explore and look for chests for the first 5 floors but proceed straight through the teleport for the last 5 floors - would that be accepted by you and your friend? Would you even think of proposing this yourself? Would you be willing to sacrifice part of your goal for my sake? Or are you only asking that of me?Maybe we kept missing each others points for the major part of this discussion but the main impression I had so far of you is a that of a person who isnt willing to compromisse either and instead sitting there, repeating over and over again that their way of playing is the only correct way - and thats an attitude that doesnt sit right with me, because its simply not true. So far you dont seem any better to me than a speedrunner who refuses to help - because you've made it very clear that you're not willing to go out of your way for the sake of someone who wants to play different since you despise that playstyle so much.



(I'm willing to take the blame since I'm bored and stubborn again)

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Took a while since this is for my friend, not me, because she can't post here. (I know what you are going to say make long story short, GMs will not do anything to help her situation)

"I am not sure about working deals like this as it never came up. I never even thought of talking like that because of the situations I run into. I have call out macros to flag wondering monsters (called pats, short for patrols in wow) I also use these when people are far away and I need help. I typically go as a healer so it is not like I can take care myself with 99/99 gear. So when I use these, then have them go ignored I will say something along the lines of, 'I use those macros for a reason I need help when I use them' or 'why did you not come help me when i needed it?' After these statements I get the harassment and "toxicity" in the replies, as far as going to MPK me when I kicked out a speedrunner for just standing there when I asked for help. The reply was 'no I will not help you, I want to speed run so I am going to stand here afk' I really do not understand sitting at the gate thing saying you are going to afk while you watch 1 or 2 people struggle to fight monsters. It is not speed running at that point. It was very disrespectful having the second person that wanted to speedrun while me and Ama struggled to fight off monsters and stay alive. He just stood there doing dance emotes till we finally all wiped. I guess intentionally wiping a run that last for 15 minutes is called speedunning. " (I remember that... been a while)

"In the end it is DF, speedruns should not be expected. I am fairly sure yoshi-P made a remark about this back when it was at 50 cap. If you want to speed run, use PF, otherwise be prepared to slow down for people that can't handle it, for whatever reason."

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Originally Posted by RubenSnizzle

I'm 99/99 and currently leveling a ninja, if u want to explore the whole map while the teleport is open, go ahead, i just won't go unless your dying. There's just no point in exploring every section of the map when they make it so easy to max out, let alone be 90/90 for the weapons.


I always wait at the teleport once its open while people explore the map, i never saw any of them complain to me. When ever i see topic like these, there must of been something else in there that they don't tell. Cause i personally never saw any potd drama about getting chest or speedrunning.

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see above, this is more then just a conflict by the way, of course you have not seen it if you are willing to help. No strong willed speedrunner has ever helped us. There was a few times where a few people that preferred to speed run let her look for chest and helped as needed. There was no problems in those runs.

The way I see it, if the group is sitting on the teleport and you are trying to explore for more chests, they are well wthin thier rights to ask you not to. And if you refuse, they are well within thier rights to remove you from the party for difference in playstyle.

Go with the majority, or expect to be singled out.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

So OP with being "we should play my way, not yours!" is less toxic and any better?

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OP's way isn't denying people of their rewards. The speedrunners' way is denying people of rewards that they need.

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Originally Posted by Ririta

OP's way isn't denying people of their rewards. The speedrunners' way is denying people of rewards that they need.

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exactly, a bit selfish just to save 5 minutes max? >.>

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Originally Posted by Edewen

The way I see it, if the group is sitting on the teleport and you are trying to explore for more chests, they are well wthin thier rights to ask you not to. And if you refuse, they are well within thier rights to remove you from the party for difference in playstyle.

Go with the majority, or expect to be singled out.

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funny, the ones that refuse to help because they want to speedrun are the ones that tend to get kicked :3

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

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You (or she) didnt really answer my questions, but thats okay because saying "I never thought about offering a compromisse" is kinda speaking for itself too. I didnt asked what happend to her, I asked if she would be okay with that - I really dont want to come off rude here, but I can only repeat: Everyones intrests in PotD are equal. Yours arent more important than those of other people in that run. And it really is up to both sides to communicate and find a solution. I dont know if people in DF are willing to compromisse - but the question here was: is your friend?
If not, she isnt better than those people you are complaining about.
Saying "Its not a speedrun anymore if people arent helping me" is correct (and they probably should help instead of being stubborn) but at that moment your friend is just as stubborn and bad as them - and the reason it isnt a speedrun anymore.
I dont want to truely balme anyone, I'd just like to make you understand that both sides have a legitimate intrest here - your request for help is as valid as their request for faster progression. Complaining about your request being ignored while ignoring their request (because they are mutual exclusive, obviously) is a bit hypocrite - ofc you value your own intrests higher than theirs, but so do they. Expecting them to go out of their way for your sake isnt fair either.
I gave an idea for a compromisse - sadly, I didnt got to hear if that would be an acceptable solution or not.

Speedruns at level 50 cap in dungeons and so called "speedruns" in PotD are two different things: Dungeon-Speedruns constist of pulling large amounts of mobs, putting quite a bit of stress on the healer and tank (mainly). Which is most likely the main reason Yoshi said he disliked it - its stressing new people.
In PotD however speedrunning isnt putting more stress on anyone - its just skipping things. Its "not going for the optional chest that can contain a minion in AK" - its not "pulling everything to the first boosroom and expect people to handle that".

On the matter of it not being a speedrun anymore... lets just say: While I personally normally dont mind helping (unless the person who requires help acts like a rude jerk, because yes, that happens too), I always have a book and some cross stitching supplies at my desk - so sitting there for 5 minutes afk'ing isnt bothering me that much, even if the run takes longer: I got to use my time in a way that I prefer.

All I'm trying to say is: Communication here is important on both sides. And only asking for help isnt always enough or doing the trick. You are asking people to go out of their way for your benefit in that moment, while you're not showing that you're willing to do the same for them - at least so far I couldnt see any sign of that; specially not with all that "My way of playing is the correct way! So everyone has to follow it!"-stuff going on.

...and one last thing... you dont need to use the DF for PotD at all. You dont even need 4 people at all. If you're already two its very possible to clear that content without DF people at all - but I guess you want to speed your progress up by getting more people in, right...?

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Originally Posted by Ririta

OP's way isn't denying people of their rewards. The speedrunners' way is denying people of rewards that they need.

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Ops way and stand here isnt different from the people who refuse to help - both are having a mindset of "What I want is more important than what the rest of the group wants" - both are equally right and wrong at the same time. And as long as both sides arent willing to go out of their way for the others by a bit, no one wins...

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Speedruns at level 50 cap in dungeons and so called "speedruns" in PotD are two different things: Dungeon-Speedruns constist of pulling large amounts of mobs, putting quite a bit of stress on the healer and tank (mainly). Which is most likely the main reason Yoshi said he disliked it - its stressing new people.In PotD however speedrunning isnt putting more stress on anyone - its just skipping things. Its not going for the optional chest that can contain a minion in AK - its not pulling everything to the first boosroom and expect people to handle that.

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You are wrong here, well sorta, sometimes anyway. My friend has kicked out people on purely on this reason too. It is one thing to be fast, it is another to run in leeeroy and be reckless. She vote kick and passed because this person ran into a room with 3 monsters, aggroed 3 monters that where pathing, and set off a trap. When she said do not run in rooms like that because it is too risky, the reply was "I do not control traps" then this went into a back and fourth of "do not run in rooms like that and it will not happen" "I do not control traps it is rng" So of course trying to heal though all those monsters stresses the heck out of her because she does not want to waste 20 odd minutes and her silver progress just because someone is reckless and lacks judgement. So when they almost caused another wipe from doing the same thing basically she kicked them. She is not going to give extra leeway to people that can "carry" on their 99/99

For your main point, I forgot that bit:
"It just depends on what the floors are. I do not like do 5 floors of this, 5 floors of that. I been on floors where a gold chest on the map hid 3 silver chests in the room, using the sight thing. I do not see why I can't explore one direction, just in the aim to see chests, while you clear the way in a different direction if you are that bent on going as fast as possible. I try my best to scout the rooms in the most timely manner not only for my time, but the time of 3 others. My best effort in this should be respected and so should my want in collecting silvers FOR MY NEEDED PROGRESS.

I am sorry but 1-5 minutes is not more valuable then needed progress, I do not understand at all why people are so obsessed with speed runs need go fast as possible while not caring about others. I seen people not even bothering to open chests that they run past, does that mean on 5 floors, I cant even take a second to open a chest that we might run by? or let me peak in side rooms? I queue as healer so I d not risk 4 dps runs to make things more difficult. From what I found, there is more time wasted arguing then just letting people find chests and help them when needed. So if you want to 'speed run' stop being stubborn and help? being stubborn about speed run only costs more time then you would of saved doing a speed run. this little remark still did not get replied to, for whatever reason. Is it really worth wasting 15 minutes of your time to MPK someone over not speed running?

As for the comment not to do solo or duo I simply find it too risky. I do not want to wipe on a late floor because rng BS, having 4 people show some kind of judgment is a safety measure. From my view you are assuming I am 99/99 and can solo it easy, well 30/30 is not soloing. DF is not for speedrunning, do not expect people to speed run in DF, if you want to speedrun so badly, PF. I do not expect people to be able to 12 min lib runs in DF, but they better have respectable rotations/gear/ when I put up a 250 average PF requirement, that means having a 250 + weapon. I do not like it when people bypass level requirements trying to carry a weak weapon because right side is so cheap." (She is referring to lore farming, using pf for that and not DF because you can't assume people can handle that speed in DF, much like it should be expected to run into people that want silvers. Maybe some people are "rude" that want silvers because they are sick of being abused by speedrunners, ever consider that?)

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

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Thank you very much for adding this bit - it has now become clear to me that your friend isnt willing to compromisse either because she has HER way of doing things and everyone should respect those more than their own ways.
I can respect her for making an effort and I can understand that she cares for her progression - dismissing this idea for a compromisse by saying "No, I want it my way" makes her no better than any "speedrunners" who want it their way.
She isnt even willing or able to take the perspective of those who dont want to explore, because shes focused on what she wants. Other people should move and explore and look for chests for HER benefit, but she cant skip floors for THEIR benefit? This isnt about how much time is saved or how much progression someone gains here, its about mutual respect and while I'm truely sorry about the directly disrespectful ways you both have been treated I find if very difficult to sympathise with your case since so far you've been showing a kinda self-centered attitude - while you're complaining about excatly about seeing that in other people.

If you're already removing people who arent playing by your rules using the vote kick function anyways you might be better off avoding the DF alltogether. Speedruns have their place in DF as much as any other kind of playstyle - and if you want to ensure a run goes your way: Make your own party, dont try to force it onto randoms. That really goes both ways - seeing how your friend doesnt seem to be willing to go out of their way, DF might not be the best place for them.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Thank you very much for adding this bit - it has now become clear to me that your friend isnt willing to compromisse either because she has HER way of doing things and everyone should respect those more than their own ways.
I can respect her for making an effort and I can understand that she cares for her progression - dismissing this idea for a compromisse by saying "No, I want it my way" makes her no better than any "speedrunners" who want it their way.She isnt even willing or able to take the perspective of those who dont want to explore, because shes focused on what she wants. Other people should move and explore and look for chests for HER benefit, but she cant skip floors for THEIR benefit? This isnt about how much time is saved or how much progression someone gains here, its about mutual respect and while I'm truely sorry about the directly disrespectful ways you both have been treated I find if very difficult to sympathise with your case since so far you've been showing a kinda self-centered attitude - while you're complaining about excatly about seeing that in other people.

If you're already removing people who arent playing by your rules using the vote kick function anyways you might be better off avoding the DF alltogether. Speedruns have their place in DF as much as any other kind of playstyle - and if you want to ensure a run goes your way: Make your own party, dont try to force it onto randoms. That really goes both ways - seeing how your friend doesnt seem to be willing to go out of their way, DF might not be the best place for them.

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You did not address this:

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I seen people not even bothering to open chests that they run past, does that mean on 5 floors, I cant even take a second to open a chest that we might run by? or let me peak in side rooms? I queue as healer so I d not risk 4 dps runs to make things more difficult. From what I found, there is more time wasted arguing then just letting people find chests and help them when needed. So if you want to 'speed run' stop being stubborn and help? being stubborn about speed run only costs more time then you would of saved doing a speed run. this little remark still did not get replied to, for whatever reason. Is it really worth wasting 15 minutes of your time to MPK someone over not speed running?

As for the comment not to do solo or duo I simply find it too risky. I do not want to wipe on a late floor because rng BS, having 4 people show some kind of judgment is a safety measure. From my view you are assuming I am 99/99 and can solo it easy, well 30/30 is not soloing. DF is not for speedrunning, do not expect people to speed run in DF, if you want to speedrun so badly, PF. I do not expect people to be able to 12 min lib runs in DF, but they better have respectable rotations/gear/ when I put up a 250 average PF requirement, that means having a 250 + weapon. I do not like it when people bypass level requirements trying to carry a weak weapon because right side is so cheap." (She is referring to lore farming, using pf for that and not DF because you can't assume people can handle that speed in DF, much like it should be expected to run into people that want silvers. Maybe some people are "rude" that want silvers because they are sick of being abused by speedrunners, ever consider that?)

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Your post is very insulting on the grounds you refuse to even answer why you care about speedrunning so much you wanna hinder someone's progress, as said:

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Originally Posted by Ririta

OP's way isn't denying people of their rewards. The speedrunners' way is denying people of rewards that they need.

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You did not answer this.
Speed runners take away silver chest farmer progress, silver farm people do not take anything away from speedrunners. It does not work "both ways" you even said this:

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Speedruns at level 50 cap in dungeons and so called "speedruns" in PotD are two different things: Dungeon-Speedruns constist of pulling large amounts of mobs, putting quite a bit of stress on the healer and tank (mainly). Which is most likely the main reason Yoshi said he disliked it - its stressing new people.

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Do not expect DFs to speedrun

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

She vote kick and passed because this person ran into a room with 3 monsters, aggroed 3 monters that where pathing, and set off a trap.

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Sounds like a case of git gud. 3 monsters and 3 spawned is nothing and should be handled no problem by the average party. In fact, it can be handled solo by a healer. That's not a reason to kick someone.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Sounds like a case of git gud. 3 monsters and 3 spawned is nothing and should be handled no problem by the average party. In fact, it can be handled solo by a healer. That's not a reason to kick someone.

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um 9 + she does not remember the original number of the room before the 3 adds and the 3 more from the lure since that person was greatly outpacing them. also stop assuming people are 99/99, sounds like your post is a case of assuming. They almost wiped, the full party, and on the second time of almost wiping the party, kicked the person when they would not slow down when asked to, because of the first time.

That aside, the way I see it, you're the one who is in a hurry. Why are you in such a rush to get your chests that it would be such a problem if it takes a few more potd runs to finish it?

that makes.. no sense... whatsoever.....
I do not even know what you are asking?

If you just go with the party when the teleporter is open, you would sooner get to your next potd run and get more silver chests. But it seems you must have them now.

There is really no need to fully explore the whole area. You'll get more chances in the future.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

You did not address this:

Your post is very insulting on the grounds you refuse to even answer why you care about speedrunning so much you wanna hinder someone's progress, as said:

You did not answer this.
Speed runners take away silver chest farmer progress, silver farm people do not take anything away from speedrunners.

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My bad, some part of your first answer wasnt showing when I responded - to adress the "I assume you're 99/99"-issue: No I dont. But I know for a fact that you dont have to be 99/99 at all to at least duo the floors til 100 - wanna know why? Because a friend and I did excatly that. Starting with being around 30/30 (sorry, dont recall excat numbers anymore, but since we never farmed PotD and only went through 1-50 once they cant have been higher) we went all the way to 100 - we wiped one time around 92(?) due to me having to take an important phone call and not being able to handle the three roaming enenmies we ran into (because, well, phone).

To answer it a bit clearer though: Yes, they do take something away from me - my time. And dont tell me its "only 5 minutes" again, as I tried to explain to you for me its more the gesture anyways: Are you willing to go out of your way for my benefit or are you only asking that of me?
Friend and I leveled his dragoon in PotD recently - from 57 to 60. According to him each 10 floors gave him around half a million exp. If the average run of PotD takes 15 minutes without chests and 20 minutes with and we have one hour its a difference between 1.5 million and 2 million exp. Besides the upgrades being not guranated - neither are "its only 5 more minutes". Due to the nature of PotD those 5 minutes can also turn into 10 or 15 (strechted over the whole run, not one floor) because the area being extremly large, lost of monsters around, stepping on traps that either lure more enemies or hinder the party (silence, pacem, frog...) - by stepping into the lamp right away, you eliminate the risk of something like that happening to you.
The fact that a run takes longer when someone refuses to help you is due to the fact that both are being stubborn - you AND them. Both parties are hurting here - yet you only ask one to just give up, while you're not willing to do that yourself.
Also: Being rude to someone because someone else was rude to you before isnt an excuse for your rude behaviour in that very moment.

Tune a down a notch btw - I'm being very polite, not "very insulting" just because I have an opinion that differs from yours.
I am not trying to side with speedrunners here - I merely try to show you that they're players who want to enjoy the game aswell and thyt you should consider their intrests too, not only yours. Same goes for them ofc - but someone has to make the first step. Sadly you arent more willing to do that than they are - so I rest my case here.

(Just a last piece of advice, in case your friend missed that: I assume she wants a proper weapon and does PotD because of that - I fully support taking care of having proper euqip and specially weapons. There are plenty of alternatives for PotD and if shes having such a hard time with that content she might want look into those. I would offer to craft a weapon for her, but since we arent on the same server thats obviously not an option... in the rare case that she is, shes welcome to send me a tell and request an ilvl250 weapon of her choice - crafted weapons, if by me or someonelse, are just one option ofc: PvP (235), Primal-tome-weapons (230->240), Shire (260->270), Relic (all the way up to 275!), aswell as various raid and ex-primal weapons ranging from 190 to 275)

At the end of the day it is a game and everyone is here to get some form of enjoyment out of it - by letting every little disagreement get to you like this and consider having a different opinion or way of approaching the game harrassment and insulting you're taking the fun out of the game for excatly one person and thats you. But thats not really any of my buisness - still, it might be a good idea to relax a little and dont cry "toxic", "harrassment" and "insult" as soon as you dont get something your way.

You are not getting 30/30 on floor 51 from doing one clear 1-49.

If you are going to lecture me on other ways to get level 250 + weapons, there is other ways to get exp. If deep is also the fastest way of getting exp even with getting chests, then you have no business harassing new people/silver farmers doing it your way. You are 99/99 so donot need silvers, she has all jobs at 60 so she does not care about exp. At that point it analysis on what is the greatest benefit for the smallest loss (in this case, time) You need silvers to get up to 99/99 in the first place and you need a set amount to be able to function on higher floors. You are also neglecting all her goals, in the past it was to level a job to 60 WHILE getting a weapon for it, saving 5 minutes is not worth it when you are achieving 2 things at once. You also can't assume others do not need silvers as well, she ran into someone that was like 22 weapon/14 armor on floor 51, that person would need silvers desperately. Even if I had it all, I would help this person get silvers cuz they need it to function on higher floors.

You still need silvers to function on the higher floors, and there is no alternative to that. That is why I do not get why others want to pressure others to speed run esp if they are new. As far as weapons are concerned, me and her can both make them, depending on craft, but between us all are covered. If you are going back when they where first released, she rather farm deep for exp/and weapons at once while crafting them to sell since it was a 500-800k investment for a 2 million sale back then. Another thing to consider is if you spend 2-3 mins crafting each mat to hq, because she does not want to risk that 800k off NQ, even though she is able HQ pure NQ, something I hate doing, then it takes about 20 mins +800k gil to make that weapon (now more like 160k + 20 mins) she does not like investing something like that in herself and feels it is better off sold. Right now though, she stopped making them completely because "I got enough gil not to care anymore plus the time investment is no longer worth the profits" (But go figure spending 450k? something in that area of spending of crafting for 2 hours to get 40 sands for her relic, I guess having a 275 weapon made her feel different. Still I know why she did that, on our server, it would cost like 4 times as much doing it by materia, and in fact sold her sets and made more then what she spent off only having 6 sets? and they where not complete, it was like having 6 of some, 2 of others..)

Also consider some people like the weapons as glams as well. Before the update that released the 51-100 floors, she almost had them all (and speed running did not exist back then even to the end) They where also a lot harder then now, 1-51 has been nerfed heavily, esp the 21-50 floors. To be willing go though all that, all the "save from wipe" she had to do, she went though a lot just to get those things, should show how much she really wants them. She likes the originals so much, she went back and bought them again for the ones she has at 255, expect the MCH gun, in her words "gauss barrel makes it ugly so there is no point, but I may buy it someday just to have just in case stoomblood makes it hard to acquire them anymore"

So in the end, people need silvers to get to 99 to begin with, as well as weapons you can only get there. You can "speed run" exp off anything. Right now she runs deep to help a friend level while getting her weapons from it while someday doing 101-200, and of course you need silvers for the 99/99.

For her final words:
"I do not get why people need to rush EXP and be so impatient about getting them. I got all 60 mainly off roulette bonuses and that is something when you consider my first battle 60 was a few weeks before 3.3. I had miner and BTN way before then but due to gating crafting and gather mains, it really put me off for caring about the game at all. Only reason I started to was to play with someone I ended up liking. Point in explaining this has to do with I do not understand why people get so impatient. As said I had no 60 till late 3.2 and it was just getting 60 whm while having a 52? something like that, PLD, while others where 1-15, 26 thm for swiftcast. Point is I did not have much and all my exp came from roulette, the yokai fate event, one job went to low level to 50 ish off that, and Deep weapon farming. I got all 235, turned MCH, AST, BLM, WHM into 255, though the AST 255 was after all 60, while getting back the 235 for whm, blm, ast, after having all to 60. Basically EXP in this game is so easy, and I got no idea why people would start drama at all when in situations like this, help someone get chests or faster exp, when this game rains exp on you.

*old lady voice* back in my day we had to sit looking for party or make one within the span of 10-30 minutes unless you where a bard or healer, after that you spent 10-30 minutes getting to the exp camp, then if you had a 'good party' you got exp chain 5 while getting 3k exp an hour where you enjoyed a 5 real life month grind to max level. Of course it took me a year or so for my first level cap, then maybe 2 weeks after the game was older, before abyssea anyway to get a job to max level. Of course after abyssea that was done in a day, maybe two but whatever, but that was going all out 24/7 it. Here you can just spend 15-30 mins in a daily bonus per day to get max level in a reasonable amount of time. Why start drama and greif people, as said you never really addressed speedrunners wiping runs and MPK over not wanting to speed run, when the game hands you exp? Back in FFXI, you needed help with everything, and coming to a game where people do not want to give someone 5 minutes to help them is a very foreign and, to me, selfish, concept."

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

If you just go with the party when the teleporter is open, you would sooner get to your next potd run and get more silver chests. But it seems you must have them now.

There is really no need to fully explore the whole area. You'll get more chances in the future.

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I got no clue what you are saying and my friend can only say this from what she understands of it:

"I can use the sight thing and see a room has gold chest. Ok this would be ignored by speed runners. I peaked in there and found 3 silvers. Spending a minute to do that is very valid, and if I am understanding you what you really mean, makes your post invalid."

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Originally Posted by RubenSnizzle

I'm 99/99 and currently leveling a ninja, if u want to explore the whole map while the teleport is open, go ahead, i just won't go unless your dying. There's just no point in exploring every section of the map when they make it so easy to max out, let alone be 90/90 for the weapons.

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It's not easy for someone to max out if they never get the opportunity to get the chests. The players who would still need the upgrades most likely can't go do these rooms completely on their own or at least not as quickly as they could if the party just went along. So it either extends the run much longer while the person tries to get their upgrades, or they are pressured by the rest of the party just standing on the passage into continuing on (if not verbally berated for going for the chests) and being denied a chance at upgrading. This could mean a halt to their progression if they aren't able to hit the arm/armor requirements for the ranges of floors.

I can understand that its kinda frustrating if you want to level up and the other people dont want to but at the same time this is kinda normal if you do it with strangers. If you or your friend want to do it your/her way than just find at least another person you know and do it with them. PotD can be done solo from 1-100 (and I managed it till 112 before I had a DC) and its even easier if you do it with a second person.

I could agree that it was toxic from the party if she asked nicely and they just keep on insulting her (you know..like it was at PVP >_> which is the reason why they banned the chat..). Not wanting to farm chests is not toxic, especially if most are of the same opinion. (If they are saying it nicely and without insults..)

Also please remember that not every silver chest will have an upgrade. I dont even remember how many times it exploded in my face when I was solo..So if you have gone through a harsher floor nicely and just want to go on and one person wants to open chests..well there could always be the danger of wiping thanks to that. You could easily have some bad players that will run to the chests in a group, get hurt by the explosion and then maybe even activate that nice lure trap..well often this will lead to a game over. And if I remember it correctly you can even have mimics in there..depending on the level of the players those mimics can hit quite hard and also leave a nice debuff..

[A little off topic: People always say that the general forum can be very toxic but the most toxic one is still the PVP forum for me..insults really fly fast there too and after doing some Feast matches with chat still on..well there is a very good reason to ban chat there..never seen that kind of toxic chat in a PVE situation..]

What about let people able to leave without penalty whenever they want, instead of kicking others?

I mean, the queue fills up fast, any problem comes out at first floor or alike and you dont waste too much time, it may be faster requeue than kicking, maybe you end up in a party at 9th floor, and who run for chests will see in and outs until everyone is there for chests. Win-win.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

What about let people able to leave without penalty whenever they want, instead of kicking others?

I mean, the queue fills up fast, any problem comes out at first floor or alike and you dont waste too much time, it may be faster requeue than kicking, maybe you end up in a party at 9th floor, and who run for chests will see in and outs until everyone is there for chests. Win-win.

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The queue doesn't fill up so fast that this wouldn't be disruptive if too many people opt to leave. Matched is matched. It's random. People need to accept that and not demand it somehow be every bit as effective as Party Finder would be for giving them control over who joins and what they do.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

Matched is matched. It's random. People need to accept that.

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What you said, is gold. It's me that got dragged in all this nonsense. I need learn to ignore that.

I don't see an issue. On my dataserver, people run fixed party 51-60 over and over for speed runs. Matched for Silver chests.

Anyone who deviates from that gets vote kicked out. So if a speedrunner joins matched and sits in a corner, they get tossed out.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

I don't see an issue. On my dataserver, people run fixed party 51-60 over and over for speed runs. Matched for Silver chests.

Anyone who deviates from that gets vote kicked out. So if a speedrunner joins matched and sits in a corner, they get tossed out.

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neon sign this please thanks.

lol this is a crazy post. All I really got from this is I should be thankful I am on a smaller server....seems like lots of crazy/annoying stuff happens on these larger servers. Thats not to say my server doesnt have its share of aholes but I guess there is just a smaller volume of them...Getting to the point. Its all about compromise I have been in plenty of runs where I didnt have the same objectives as the rest of the party but you know what I go with it. Some times you need to just suck it up and move on...getting salty about a game that is supposed to be something you do for enjoyment/relaxation just doesnt make much sense.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

I don't see an issue. On my dataserver [...]

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Here on Aether, most runs 51-60 and 1-10 are speedruns, whether matched or fixed. You usually have at least one person standing in the cairn once it's active.

The best way to get chests is to keep going after those floors, because speedrunners start over from the beginning, which leaves only the non-speedrunners for matching. Queue times go up as a result.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

If you just go with the party when the teleporter is open, you would sooner get to your next potd run and get more silver chests. But it seems you must have them now.

There is really no need to fully explore the whole area. You'll get more chances in the future.

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This is something I feel people forget.

It needs to be pointed out first that even aside from exploding, the aethergear might not upgrade.

So rather then tunnel focusing on exploring every corner of each map for a silver chest, just pick the ones that are already on the way as you kill monsters to unlock the passage, clear the floor bracket and then re-enter a potd floor bracket again.

Focus on rate gain rather than flat gain.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Here on Aether, most runs 51-60 and 1-10 are speedruns, whether matched or fixed. You usually have at least one person standing in the cairn once it's active.

The best way to get chests is to keep going after those floors, because speedrunners start over from the beginning, which leaves only the non-speedrunners for matching. Queue times go up as a result.

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Speedrunners on my dataserver at least have learned its much quicker to preform a group and simply knock out about a dozen 51-60's. In that same time doing it in a matched party you might get 6 runs if you're lucky.

The majority of people in matched are running for chests. I see the same people in 61-70 that were with me in 51-60 and all the way to 91-100. Queue times are never more than 5 min, even in the wee hours of the morning.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

Speedrunners on my dataserver at least have learned its much quicker to preform a group and simply knock out about a dozen 51-60's. In that same time doing it in a matched party you might get 6 runs if you're lucky.

The majority of people in matched are running for chests. I see the same people in 61-70 that were with me in 51-60 and all the way to 91-100. Queue times are never more than 5 min, even in the wee hours of the morning.

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That's odd because we're on the same data center and 51-60 is mostly speedrunners.

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That's odd because we're on the same data center and 51-60 is mostly speedrunners.

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That's because they know their place when I'm in the group. They do as they're supposed to or get booted.

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That's because they know their place when I'm in the group. They do as they're supposed to or get booted.

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"Supposed to" You mean they do what you want.

There is a right and wrong way to do many things in this game. Rotations, fight mechanics... Palace is not one of those things (in regards to chests). You go with what the group wants to do.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

"Supposed to" You mean they do what you want.

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That's the point.

Kaethra makes her PF party specifically stating that its a speedrun or chest run.

Bob joins it and decides to do the opposite of whatever was listed.

If I was in Kaethra's party, I would boot Bob myself.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

That's the point.

Kaethra makes her PF party specifically stating that its a speedrun or chest run.

Bob joins it and decides to do the opposite of whatever was listed.

If I was in Kaethra's party, I would boot Bob myself.

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Go read that again. K was talking about matched parties and forcing people into chest runs.

In this and other threads I've said, and I'll say again: majority rules. Go with what the party wants.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

Go read that again. K was talking about matched parties and forcing people into chest runs.

In this and other threads I've said, and I'll say again: majority rules. Go with what the party wants.

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Ah glossed over that part.

That's a lot of rustled jimmies then.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

"Supposed to" You mean they do what you want.

There is a right and wrong way to do many things in this game. Rotations, fight mechanics... Palace is not one of those things (in regards to chests). You go with what the group wants to do.

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When I'm in PotD. I'm running with a friend. So yes. We are doing what the group wants. We -ARE- the group. Even if its the matched party.

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When I'm in PotD. I'm running with a friend. So yes. We are doing what the group wants. We -ARE- the group. Even if its the matched party.

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You're half of the group. If the other two people disagree with you and you initiate a kick, you win. In other words, you're saying you're abusing the kick feature. Good job, I guess?

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You're half of the group. If the other two people disagree with you and you initiate a kick, you win. In other words, you're saying you're abusing the kick feature. Good job, I guess?

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As developers in the past have said, "clever use of game mechanics."
If it feels better to call yourself a victim, go for it as that's your choice. There's no safespace around me as I've already made mine. Its not open for discussion.

If we're pulling mobs and they sit in a corner. That's grounds for booting. You're going to find it hard to find people who don't agree with this.
If we're going at decent pace and someone pulls enough to nearly cause the group to wipe. That's also grounds for booting. Again you're going to find it tough to find those who don't agree with this.

You're in a very small minority.

If no one needs silver. I run the stuff quickly as not to waste anyone's time.
If someone does. I get them for them. It helps them and it helps the group.
I've made that clear. But yet you say its wrong.

You've taken the following position:

1. If someone needs silver, screw them. They don't get them.
2. If no one needs them, screw them. I'm here to waste everyone's time.

Yes I would boot you, if its abuse or not. Without hesitation or remorse. You've decided to be a detriment to the group as a whole. I will gladly remove such a detriment.

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There's no safespace around me as I've already made mine. Its not open for discussion.

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Holy sh***, that's the most overdramatic statement I read so far ... you do realise it's a game? Not the survival of the fittest? Don't get on your high horse.
If you're entitled to your opinion, so is everyone else is too, so be aware that someone might kick you instead ...

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Holy sh***, that's the most overdramatic statement I read so far ... you do realise it's a game? Not the survival of the fittest? Don't get on your high horse.
If you're entitled to your opinion, so is everyone else is too, so be aware that someone might kick you instead ...

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In this thread I'm starting to think that I am the ONLY one who realizes its just a game.

I let people get upgrades to their aetherpools.
I let the run go quicker if no one needs them.

I want to know why this is such a dirty bad thing. Cause that's what you are opposing.