"Return to Ivalice" Stormblood's 24 Man Raid

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

I never played the whatever version you said, Basch was playable in the original. It's fine if you enjoyed the game, I'm not the sort of person to say "I didn't like it therefore it's a bad game." If you like it, more power to you, it's just a game that isn't for me. But I stand by what I said, Ivalice to me will always be War of the Lions, Ramza, the Lucavi, Altima, and no non-humans. :P

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International Zodiac Job System was the updated version that was, I believe, only available in Japan. The updated FFXII Zodiac Age that should be coming out later this year is the remastered version of it.

I'll admit to wondering what you didn't like about the original license board. I also wonder about your opinion of FFTA2 Vaan, who to my understanding is closer to how the FFXII devs would have wanted Vaan to be originally.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

I'll admit to wondering what you didn't like about the original license board.

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

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Ah, that sort of thing. I never really found it that bad but thats probably because LP was easy to come by.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

International Zodiac Job System was the updated version that was, I believe, only available in Japan. The updated FFXII Zodiac Age that should be coming out later this year is the remastered version of it.

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I hope they do make a Windows version of the remake at some point. (I know I could use the old CD on an PS2 emulator and use enhanced visual tweaks, but that's not the same of having a natively running version and it would be missing the new non visual changes)

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

I could make a Thancred, Minfillia, Yda etc. right now just using the current in-game assets we have and the Mogstation hairstyles/gears.

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Good luck making a Minfilia. That cup size does not exist. PS3 limitations or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Good luck making a Minfilia. That cup size does not exist. PS3 limitations or whatever.

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Ostensibly, this is actually why I think Viera might be disaapointing if they actually do come out. They'd get the 2x4 treatment with tiny boobs, no hips, and flat butts, and given the statuesque build of the race it would be quite the disservice, IMO. Not interested in playing Viera with a 14 year old's body build, nty.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

Ostensibly, this is actually why I think Viera might be disaapointing if they actually do come out. They'd get the 2x4 treatment with tiny boobs, no hips, and flat butts, and given the statuesque build of the race it would be quite the disservice, IMO. Not interested in playing Viera with a 14 year old's body build, nty.

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Well we won't get a race now but we will drop the ps3 support so maybe when the next race comes out the engine will be stroing enough to give them a proper figure.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

That cup size does not exist.

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It does if you buy the minfilia outfit off the mog station. No I'm not kidding.

It's so disheartening to see so many people focusing on Viera when Ivalice is mentioned instead of all the stuff about the setting that is much, much more interesting - like the intrigue, character depth and exceptional atmosphere and world building.

Viera are such a tiny, minor part of the overall scheme of things that I can't help but feel like this is just another bandwagon.

We don't need a new race anytime soon anyway - not until the current batch of existing races have more options made available to them.

Ya, in all honesty I'm hoping this raid content will break away from the current cookie cutter we are facing with raids in general. Granted at most we've heard is they plan/have ideas to make challenging content every patch rather than just Savage content but even then it doesn't stop 24-man raids from sadly being wasted space once people do it the first 3-5 times.

It's a shame because the encounters are fun, but just look at Crystal tower now, it's pretty much auto-pilot with little worries about dying, compared to when it first came out, it was an actual challenge. And while yes content over time may get easier, the range in which said content has actually gotten easier is pretty disheartening when you take a step back.

The current content which takes the most players to complete in a sense is currently tuned to make it the easiest content in the game because of the fear that players wouldn't be able to complete it. Yet they never consider the idea that this content, you don't exactly need a group of 24 from a single FC to complete the difficulty of it. Smaller groups could join together to tackle the content and partake in the challenge without having to reduce the difficulty because of the fear that everyone wouldn't be able to complete it. Granted I know with this issue that a problem is that the gear/reward doesn't warrant it being that difficult which makes sense, so I do wonder if maybe the new instance coming in 3.5 or 3.55 against Proto-Ultima which is suppose to be a 24-man raid, is going to be a testing of the waters to introduce more of these challenges that involve more people.

When it comes to Ivalice, I think it would be pretty badass if they decided to release the bosses as single instance Savage like challenge encounters once you completed the raid, to give players something to do, but tuning it to challenge 24 players rather than 8.

I don't see why it would be bad to encourage raid groups to actually team up together to take down a 24 man raid, if the 8 man groups tackle the Savage content, then why not give them the chance to work towards the same goal of conquering the 24 man raid, to aim for that "server first" win. Though I do understand a potential issue with this would be the tanks, since 8 man savage use a different setup from the 24 man raid tier currently, unless the fights were tuned to actually require all 6 tanks, which honestly would be cool imo. I can understand why they pulled away from it after the first Crystal Tower because attempting to create an "easy" yet "challenging" experience that required all 6 tanks is pretty difficult, especially if it's to the point where 1 tank falling causes a fail, so the idea of making 3 tanks, with the need of all 3 at once isn't as necessary doesn't hurt the fight as a whole.

With that in mind, for Savage tier 24 man raid, the difficulty could be one in which the use of all 6 tanks is necessary since the level of skill would be there to allow for that type of challenge.

Overall, when SE did comment on Savage like content with each patch and the reveal of Ivalice, I would love it if they attempted to replicate the Zodiac Brave encounters from Final Fantasy Tactics and turned them into a Savage difficulty for 24 people to tackle and conquer.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's so disheartening to see so many people focusing on Viera when Ivalice is mentioned instead of all the stuff about the setting that is much, much more interesting - like the intrigue, character depth and exceptional atmosphere and world building.

Viera are such a tiny, minor part of the overall scheme of things that I can't help but feel like this is just another bandwagon.

We don't need a new race anytime soon anyway - not until the current batch of existing races have more options made available to them.

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This is the internet. All they care about are Harambe jokes and fetish fuel.

Personally what I want to know first is what version of Ivalice this is going to be.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

This is the internet. All they care about are Harambe jokes and fetish fuel.

Personally what I want to know first is what version of Ivalice this is going to be.

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So true. Yeah I would like to know that as well. Personally hoping for FFT as that one was my favorite.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

instead of all the stuff about the setting that is much, much more interesting - like the intrigue, character depth and exceptional atmosphere and world building.

Viera are such a tiny, minor part.

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So why can't we have both? I hated pretty much every game set in Ivalice except Tactics and the Remake because I hated the systems in place. I loved the original FFT, but why can't we have Ramza, Altima, the Zodiac Braves among others, as well as Viera? I would inflict great bodily harm for the chance to have access to the world I love with a race that I've been deathly curious about and wanted to find out more about. Why are you so fixated on wanting them gone instead of looking at the parts that you enjoy?

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

So why can't we have both? I hated pretty much every game set in Ivalice except Tactics and the Remake because I hated the systems in place. I loved the original FFT, but why can't we have Ramza, Altima, the Zodiac Braves among others, as well as Viera? I would inflict great bodily harm for the chance to have access to the world I love with a race that I've been deathly curious about and wanted to find out more about. Why are you so fixated on wanting them gone instead of looking at the parts that you enjoy?

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There can only be one!

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Originally Posted by Iromi

So true. Yeah I would like to know that as well. Personally hoping for FFT as that one was my favorite.

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No, you misunderstand. I meant in the way I outlined a few pages ago.
1. Ivalice as an area on Hydaelin (like Doma, Costa del Sol, or the Crystal Tower)
2. Ivalice as an Alternate to the Eorzean Alliance on a different fragment.
3. The actual Ivalice from Tactics, 12 and Vagrant Story, that we access via the rift

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

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Because of development time. Have to remember a lot of game companies expect people they employ to do more than just one job, are there some that only focus on one thing or another? Certainly, but companies these days look for employees that have multiple skill sets. Then you have the enormous list of things to do.. World building and design, story creation and lore, character modeling and design, armor and weapon design, animation, music score and sound effects, and the elephant in the room.. actual programming. And those are just the things I can think of.

Can't have EVERYTHING under the sun, especially if you only have 'x' amount of devs and 'y' amount of time to do it in.

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

Wow.. so being logical and reasonable is now equivocal to being arrogant? Neat.

BTW where did I mention SAM or BLU?

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Requesting something that's possible isn't illogical or unreasonable. Telling others what they can or cannot ask for in an MMO is arrogant, especially if your not a dev team member.

Also that Sam and BLU thing was an example.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

So why can't we have both? I hated pretty much every game set in Ivalice except Tactics and the Remake because I hated the systems in place. I loved the original FFT, but why can't we have Ramza, Altima, the Zodiac Braves among others, as well as Viera? I would inflict great bodily harm for the chance to have access to the world I love with a race that I've been deathly curious about and wanted to find out more about. Why are you so fixated on wanting them gone instead of looking at the parts that you enjoy?

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I actually like FFXII, FF Tactics and the world of Ivalice in general, but I can't stand it when people act like the Internet Thought Police and try to shift discussions to "approved" aspects, rather than ones they personally don't care about. People want to talk about the new 24-man raid lore? Then talk about it, but don't tell the rest of us to shut up about Viera because you think it's not important. (Obvious rhetorical "you" there, not anyone in particular.) I think the new swimming feature looks gimmicky AF, but other than asking a single question about what sort of gameplay plans the developers had for it I didn't stick around and tell people that they should be talking about underwater PVP plans or potential ship battles instead of RPing and fishing.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

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Apparently there'll be no underwater battles (which is lazy as fuck, FFX did it well and so did Guild Wars 2), but we can talk to npcs underwater. maybe a few areas are only accessible through swimming as well. Also, I bet they won't have something like water currents or some bullshit but something just as tedious lol.

FFX is also on a completely different game engine compared to FFXIV, so less lazy and more of "can't just copy it over because games X and Y did it"

And underwater fights suck big time.

There has never been a MMO I've played where I enjoyed under water combat. I am glad they kept it out...I'd rather do what Yoshida said they're doing, which is - Swim or Dive down to the actual area then you do your fighting out of the water. I am guessing its either in underwater dungeons/buildings and such that have no water in them.

If I want to fight underwater I'll just play a console game...ugh even in those it can get annoying lol.

For the love of Zodiacs, can I have thief class and gear that looks like it came right up outta FFT???

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Originally Posted by DadFynal

For the love of Zodiacs, can I have thief class and gear that looks like it came right up outta FFT???

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They should make one of the 24 man raids should drop gear that looks like the jobs from FFT... Though they did have some rather different outfits for female and male characters in that game so I don't know how that would work exactly since they do generally keep the items looking the same for both male and female characters in XIV...

After playing FFXIIZJ for a bit yesterday I truly hope it's got some FFXII content related.

Strangely enough I'm proper looking forward to this new 24 man raid and I do wonder when are we gonna be getting some info about it!?

Did they say anywhere that it was directly related to Final Fantasy XII? If not there's also a chance it can be from Tactics which will make me happy.

I have not read all posts, do we have any sort of ETA on when this raid will be added? Omega Savage is next week i think?

it will be for 4.1, plus a reminder, ivalice included:
FFT
FFTA
FFTA2
Vagrant Story
FF12 (Zodiac system is the second japanese version come out a long time ago)
FF12 revenant wing

i don't think i did forget one. then you can expect many thing from this whole series.... personally i will have loved if suddenly we end into lea mundis that we need to explore!

plus a very interesting point, this raid can perfectly either announce the add of the viera, since it can perfectly a raid that use dimensional travel!
ps: about the viera, in the univers of ivalice you have 2 tribes then it will be perfect!

5.0 return to Ivalice ... Can I have it? I might be alone in this one but I honestly would love XIV sending me to explore ivalice all over all. Such a perfect world

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Originally Posted by jackass1203

Did they say anywhere that it was directly related to Final Fantasy XII? If not there's also a chance it can be from Tactics which will make me happy.

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Not that I can recall. I know Yoshi-P suggested players should play FFT to get a feel for the lore, though.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Not that I can recall. I know Yoshi-P suggested players should play FFT to get a feel for the lore, though.

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So, we're more likely to meet Ramza than Fran?

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

So, we're more likely to meet Ramza than Fran?

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I'd actually be kinda surprised if directly meet any of the characters from the other games

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

So, we're more likely to meet Ramza than Fran?

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FF12 takes place several centuries BEFORE FFT iirc.

And I don't see Square writing themselves into a corner with some reveal like, EORZEA IS THE SETTING TO FINAL FANTASY XY! But they might say that FF12/Tactics takes place on Eorzea, as I find it unlikely they're doing much with that setting or series.

Return to ivalice? But I'm right here :)

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

So, we're more likely to meet Ramza than Fran?

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We're most likely to meet neither.

Feel like I'm the only one who hopes it'll be Vagrant Story's era of Ivalice. Post Blood-sin Ashley Riot boss would be pretty cool. It'll never happen of course but I can dream.

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

Return to ivalice? But I'm right here :)

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Will you bring us Bunny Girls?

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Originally Posted by Mikhaill

Will you bring us Bunny Girls?

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Sorry I just hold all the bunny chicks, bringing them to eorzea is up to yoshi and pals

I do wonder if we gonna be seeing familiar faces in this new 24 man raid.

Can't wait for new info!!!

Do we know when are we gonna be getting some sort of info about this new raid?

Probably from a Live Letter at some point in the future.