Yoshi-P on Character Growth

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Originally Posted by Starkbeaumont

I like how ppl always mention the grind for tomestones and how they dislike it, yet capping your weekly tomestones takes less than 3h per week

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The amount of time it takes isn't the issue - it's what you have to do in that time to get them. Maybe you love running the same faceroll 4man every day, but I'm personally not into it.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

The amount of time it takes isn't the issue - it's what you have to do in that time to get them. Maybe you love running the same faceroll 4man every day, but I'm personally not into it.

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This. I can't bare to run Sohr Kai or Hull hard again. Infact i've pretty much stopped doing expert 'roulette' all together since it melts my brain.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

The amount of time it takes isn't the issue - it's what you have to do in that time to get them. Maybe you love running the same faceroll 4man every day, but I'm personally not into it.

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You have to do 6 expert roulettes per week, if you're doing nothing else at all.
No 60 roulette, no trial roulette, no alexander, no savage, no PotD, no Diadem, no Aquapolis, no 24-man, no PvP, no ex primals, no hunts, no Gnath beast tribes.

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Originally Posted by Starkbeaumont

I like how ppl always mention the grind for tomestones and how they dislike it, yet capping your weekly tomestones takes less than 3h per week, if you only do expert roulettes. But then the question comes up, what you need that gear for anyway, if you don't actually use it. And if you don't need it, capping stones or not becomes less of an issue.
the only time you actually grind for tomestones is when we get a new relic stage and you feel like having to finish it asap. but that's something everyone has to decide for him/herself

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Once that question comes up, you should be questioning why you're even playing the game anymore. A question that the devs should be hoping their players aren't asking themselves.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Once that question comes up, you should be questioning why you're even playing the game anymore. A question that the devs should be hoping their players aren't asking themselves.

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nothing wrong with taking 3 months off right? I mean the 3 month grind to get relic to 250 will probably take 2 days when 3.48 or 3.5 comes out, i mean the devs clearly think its ok to take a long break, cause everything will be handed to you as soon as you log back in, mostly. i guess.

I played FFXI since the USA release for some good 7-8 years, and I loved it.

But still, I don't want horizontal progression on FFXIV. I don't want to waste my time on placebo content such as grind gear and merits just to be better in some aspects.


My character grows here in FFXIV, but in a different way.
Achievements can be a way to measure it's growth, a proof that he's been there and he's done that. There's no need to change gear every single time you face a new foe; it's just placebo and meaningless.

Also, it's important that new players can catch you up fast. In FFXI it was a problem when a friend wanted to join and he had to spend 1-2 years before reaching you, and even then he was still far from you.

so is squall's outfit the last veteran reward?

And its not a bad thing that the game doesnt take the 11 route as stated above for the sake of the youngin's. But you do have subscribers like myself who have not missed a week of subscription since arr launched, it would be hella nice if you allowed midcore/hardcore players who dont just up and leave all the time, something worth their time, something a little more like everyones been asking, something meaningful

You even get seasonal events from year 1 in the cash shop, etc.

For me, the whole explanation is stupid...

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Originally Posted by Yoshi-P

The same applies to how, having elements like ice and fire on your weapon and equipment is rather meaningless with our game design. If the game system has elements as a huge factor and let's say you face a boss who is weak against a certain element. Those who don't have the actions or weapons that are effective will need to start back from re-learning a certain move or go get that fire weapon that melts the boss.

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Instead of that, the game has an ilvl and accuracy requirements, so those who don't have proper gear will need to build a whole new set...reaaaaaly different.
Except that, in the current systemt you can just throw away your old gear. With horizontal progression, your "Fire weapon" may be useful several patches later.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi-P

If this continues to go on, there will be a moment where you lose focus and at one point you collapse. That sort of game system is highly addictive with fear and uplift alongside each other with the merit where it's harder to get bored because it forces you to continue spending most of your time. But, people nowadays don't have that time anymore.

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Doing the Anima also takes a lot of time. And he admitted that Anima weapons are for people who can't overcome the difficulty of raids, so, he still expect his "less skilled" players to "have enough time".

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Originally Posted by Yoshi-P

This is just an imagination, but 10 years into the future we might shift into a team consisted of members who all truly love FFXIV and we might take our risk to release an expansion with that kind of character development involved in it, but at the moment it's impossible.

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Don't worry, you won't have to wait for ten years. Another tome-gathering-content-facerolling expansion will bore far enough players for the game to change direction or die.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi-P

Even if we did change our policy, starting with new players having a hard time getting into the game, a majority of the current players will also be like "I was only able to keep playing because of the current system!"

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New players won't have a "hard time", they'll slowly learn while gathering levels. And as long as you can progress bit by bit, the amount of time you can put in the game doesn't matter...We don't need the system to be like old FFXI where you can only progress in content if you have 3 hours straight.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi-P

Not having an endless element to build on your character is intentional and it's designed so you build up your item level instead.

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Building item level is also an "endless" system...

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Originally Posted by Yoshi-P

Of course, we do understand you will get bored of refreshing your item level at one point, but no matter what sort of game desing you choose, you'll eventually get bored.

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"You will be bored by any system in the long run, so let's keep the one you're already bored with"...yep, totally makes sense.
Or maybe they could, you know...build a different system for each expansion, so by the time you get bored, the system will change...

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

For me, the whole explanation is stupid...


"You will be bored by any system in the long run, so let's keep the one you're already bored with"...yep, totally makes sense.
Or maybe they could, you know...build a different system for each expansion, so by the time you get bored, the system will change...

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had to snip, but all your points cracked me up, totally how i see it at this point. Honestly, I feel like the JP community might be a bit at unease from this as well, but i dont nihongo so yeah not sure how they feel from this interview.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

"You will be bored by any system in the long run, so let's keep the one you're already bored with"...yep, totally makes sense.
Or maybe they could, you know...build a different system for each expansion, so by the time you get bored, the system will change...

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Good point, that was some odd damage control on Yoshi-P's behalf.

even if they change the system , u will still come here cry that ur bored everytime so whats the point in changing the system :P

id rather have new dungeons and stuff every 3 months :P

He definitely makes some valid points. I agree and could definitely see how creating mechanics which are more difficcult to catcch up with could ruin this game. Want to join Savage runs? Sorry, but you haven't been playing 8 hours everyday for the last 3 years, you are simply underleveled.

Because I assume the relevant endgame content would be tuned towards that, otherwise all experienced players would ragequit as all content that is released or ever will be released would be too ez.

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Originally Posted by Khemorex

even if they change the system , u will still come here cry that ur bored everytime so whats the point in changing the system :P

id rather have new dungeons and stuff every 3 months :P

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weve decided to rework lords of verminion this patch, here some new level 1 mastercrafter glamours to craft for exhorbitant amounts of gil, old dungeon(hard) mode and a ex primal to beat around for 3 months. Feel free to unsub after you clear it in a week, as we got no new gear for 6 months thats relevamt! Please look forward to it!

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

He definitely makes some valid points. I agree and could definitely see how creating mechanics which are more difficcult to catcch up with could ruin this game. Want to join Savage runs? Sorry, but you haven't been playing 8 hours everyday for the last 3 years, you are simply underleveled.

Because I assume the relevant endgame content would be tuned towards that, otherwise all experienced players would ragequit as all content that is released or ever will be released would be too ez.

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NO FIRST TIME BONUS!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Khemorex

even if they change the system , u will still come here cry that ur bored everytime so whats the point in changing the system :P

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Imagine this :
ARR comes, the tomestone system is introduced, it's new (for this game, coming from 1.0), it's fresh. 2 years later, I'm starting to get bored...and then HW comes, with a whole new gearing system. It's fresh, it's new...2 years later, I'm starting to get bored, and then the new expansion come, etc...etc...

Instead, we have ARR with the tome system, boring after 2 years...HW with the same system, incredibly boring after 2 more years...and the next expansion will probably still use the tomestone system.

A new gearing system is like having new zones or new jobs. I'm sure you would have been bored if HW made you stroll into the same old zones for 2 more years.

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

He definitely makes some valid points. I agree and could definitely see how creating mechanics which are more difficcult to catcch up with could ruin this game. Want to join Savage runs? Sorry, but you haven't been playing 8 hours everyday for the last 3 years, you are simply underleveled.

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Horizontal progression is not a "catch up" mechanic. Let's say you needed an Ice weapon for Gordias Savage(For whatever reason)...but this NEW Fire Weapon for Midas Savage...Wether you participate in Gordias or not, you can obtain the Fire Weapon and completely skip the Ice Weapon. And while you're bored 3.2, you can always comes back to get this Ice Weapon that could be useful for Creator or even the next raid.

As we are now, you need this Fire Weapon (i.e new tome gear), but you'll never go back to the Ice weapon even if you have nothing new to do.

People will complain regardless. He is right about the new era though. Most people who do complain though play ffxiv for about 5+ hours a day.

And then there are the people who like yoshi said who want ffxiv to be a copy of ffxi

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Originally Posted by Derio

And then there are the people who like yoshi said who want ffxiv to be a copy of ffxi

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As a long time FFXI player (In the old times), I can assure you that I don't want this game to be FFXI-2.

BUT, some ideas from FFXI could be done in FFXIV for good results. Were the Diadem some kind of Dynamis, with multiple objectives and a real sense of progression, but without the horrendous droprate for job armor, I'm sure it would have been more successful. And horizontal progression would prevent gear decay like it is now.

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Originally Posted by Derio

He is right about the new era though.

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This is what I fear : The "new era" contains a lot of "fast-food" MMO players. They chose the last hyped game, faceroll it as much as they can, and leave en masse when the next hype starts. So, from my point of view, Yoshi-P is doing everything he can to please people who will quit the game as soon as the MMO fashion shifts...while displeasing most veteran MMO players, who will leave because the lack of required dedication will prevent them from building a real connection with their character.

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Originally Posted by Derio

People will complain regardless. He is right about the new era though. Most people who do complain though play ffxiv for about 5+ hours a day.

And then there are the people who like yoshi said who want ffxiv to be a copy of ffxi

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You do not speak for me anymore than Yoshi does.

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

weve decided to rework lords of verminion this patch, here some new level 1 mastercrafter glamours to craft for exhorbitant amounts of gil, old dungeon(hard) mode and a ex primal to beat around for 3 months. Feel free to unsub after you clear it in a week, as we got no new gear for 6 months thats relevamt! Please look forward to it!



NO FIRST TIME BONUS!!!!!!!

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the time im gona unsub is when my rl dosnt allow me to play like i want anymore :P

Just an idea. More character growth doesn't have to be a long term goal after leveling. You could get a sphere grid or any similar final fantasy style variation of a talent system while you are leveling. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Just an idea. More character growth doesn't have to be a long term goal after leveling. You could get a sphere grid or any similar final fantasy style variation of a talent system while you are leveling. Problem solved.

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Just...forget providing any more suggestions to the devs. they aren't listening. They want to stay with their 2 tomestone dungeons and 4.5 raid bosses, and who are we to say otherwise.

Oh! we must be ffxi fans! Sitting in our Qufim islands wondering when the wights are going to show up. Well excuse me, oh savior of Sqaure Enix, maybe I just can't ever understand the point of being wedged in between the whole tedious tomestone dog and implacable raid pony show you have going on up in here.

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Originally Posted by Khemorex

even if they change the system , u will still come here cry that ur bored everytime so whats the point in changing the system :P

id rather have new dungeons and stuff every 3 months :P

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Not to sound very negative, but I know you can't please everyone, but how is the game going to grow or do new things, challenges and so on, if no one complains? The ''crying'' you mention are complains. Don't forget how this game was built, on complaints from 1.0 version of the game. I'm honestly mind blown people say other people cry, but yet I've seen Yoshi countless of times say they do care about those ''crying'' people. Because if you have paid attention and I've read on these forums while I was gone for a long time, example 99 tokens for a bird from the primals, and they added it? That ''crying'' you mention also comes from people who only ask for vanity/glamour. You do know a larg part of the community also do raid, do primals and fights and story and not to just dress up and pretend this is a sim city game? I'm sorry I sound harsh, but the way you talk doesn't add any contribution at all at the same time, you don't really show you have any opinion at all, which makes your statement less worth.

Also keep in mind as I stated already in this thread and if you did see and if not I'll quote myself:

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Originally Posted by HungryHippo

Thank you, it's just the fact I'm worried for myself and other people who are new or recently came back. Yesterday I saw a couple of people who did the same main story quest like me, some of us ended up doing some of them together which is cool, however the wait wasn't fun and some of us just logged out. I can understand people do want breaks, but this is a bit concern, considering, many people preach new players coming to game is good (which is true!) however, those players need someone to ''guide'' them and make the game feel that it's not a ''ghost town'' just like it has for me.

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How am I supose to keep doing my dungeons or whatnot if this is a thing? I'm fully aware the patch is up soon and could contribute to me getting in faster, however I'm sure many would focus on the new content, then I still be stuck behind. Do you have any contribution to this? On what I should do?

I'm sorry this came off as a little rant, but please, contribute to the thread instead of saying people crying. No one will ever take that serious, ever.

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FFXIV is deliberately designed to not let your character grow.
Q. There's something i was curious about asking, and you know how people on the internet occasionally say "There's nothing to do in FFXIV" and i think that's because FFXIV's end game has no character growth involved in it. I assume that's because those players into that sort of character growth may enjoy it, but new players will have a hard time catching up.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

A. I consider "If there's some sort of character development, the players into that stuff will enjoy it" is a faulty expression. The current FFXIV allows you to reach the level cap at a comparatively fast pace and players who feel they are "released from the burden of leveling a job" won't be able to enjoy the game as much if there is some sort of element that requires you to spend time on building up your character before you do other content. FFXIV has a wide range of players who all have different tastes. It's not like everyone can keep their motivation to run towards a long term goal that is extremely far away to grow their character.

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I don't consider the level cap reachable at a comparable fast pace. It actually takes awhile to reach level 60. Most players have not even reached max level in this game if a recent census was accurate. The fact that an instant level 60 potion is being considered leads credence to that truth. There is already a build up to do other content with ilvl. Even more than a build up, it is a requirement. You can't do X content until your character is X sufficient. The motivation is not even there to reach for a long term goal for a big amount of players or most players would be level 60 at the max ilvl.

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Q. So not having elements to "let your character grow" is intentional.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

A. I feel like people who are saying there's nothing to do or they are bored, are people who prefer the "FFXI type" game where the game itself is like end content, where there are almost unlimitted amount of elements to grow your character and keep building up. I do understand their feelings, but as a game that needs to fight on the global scale and this era makes it very difficult for us to choose that railway as an option.

The same applies to how, having elements like ice and fire on your weapon and equipment is rather meaningless with our game design. If the game system has elements as a huge factor and let's say you face a boss who is weak against a certain element. Those who don't have the actions or weapons that are effective will need to start back from re-learning a certain move or go get that fire weapon that melts the boss. That being said, this is actually really fun if you get into it. You feel like you're getting stronger as you work hard for it and you feel more satisfaction after beating that boss with your new weapon. However, you need to put in a lot of time before you fight this single boss and if the next patch adds a boss with a different weakness, you have to start from scratch and learn another move and go get that weapon that the boss is weak against.

If this continues to go on, there will be a moment where you lose focus and at one point you collapse. That sort of game system is highly addictive with fear and uplift alongside each other with the merit where it's harder to get bored because it forces you to continue spending most of your time. But, people nowadays don't have that time anymore. If FFXIV had that old school type system, with how busy i am now, i wouldn't be able to play the game. I'm not saying it's outdated, and the coming era might prefer those types of games and they still have a potential to succeed by changing the business scheme, but like i said before, it just doesn't fit FFXIV.

That doesn't mean we aren't doing anything. Like the Zodiac weapons and anima weapons, we'd like to implement a "time to win" type route, but that will not be the pillar of the game, not in FFXIV at least. This is just an imagination, but 10 years into the future we might shift into a team consisted of members who all truly love FFXIV and we might take our risk to release an expansion with that kind of character development involved in it, but at the moment it's impossible.

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The content itself is what makes a player feel bored or excited, not the reward. The reward is the validation after the boredom or excitement which either feels good or not so good. The growing want is not a XI only theme. It is the core of an rpg, if you stop growing, you basically beat the game.

Why do people unsubscribe from an mmorpg if it is a good mmorpg overall? They feel they cannot progress or grow further in an area they like.

The element discussion is different but the same as we have now. If you don't have X ability from questing or have it unlocked from a sub job you either perform sub optimally or not enough at all. If you don't have X ilvl you can't do optimal or sometimes can't even access content at all. Strict rotations and dodging mechanics add a different kind of difficulty. Only here you can no longer powerlevel it like in previous Final Fantasies due to most content being level and ilvl capped. So if your reflexes are not up to par, that player will have a lot of frustration coming up.

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Q. So you're saying, not all the current players want a strong character build element in the game.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

A. Even if we did change our policy, starting with new players having a hard time getting into the game, a majority of the current players will also be like "I was only able to keep playing because of the current system!" and the problem is, those people don't raise their voices and log in normally or just fade out after getting bored of the game. We need to watch out for those players with no voices. With the feed back, data from the logs, the duration of subs for each player in mind, it's a part of my job to balance the demand of the player base. You can't run an MMO with just "esthesiography", so it's like studying everyday and i'm always being sandwiched by both sides. I personally have an interest in trying out various things, but that by itself will just be my ego.
Back when we released "A Realm Reborn", it was a one shot deal so i looked at the market and situation then designed the game to revive FFXIV, but even now, it's not like i can just make 100% of what i'd like to design in this world of FFXIV, so i'm looking at the balance in between.
Not having an endless element to build on your character is intentional and it's designed so you build up your item level instead. You don't obtain that by gaining experience points. You can clear content, take one step at a time to gradually get stronger, or skilled players can challenge harder content to run in front of everyone else. After reaching as far as you can go, it's true there might be nothing for you to do. In that case you can play a different job, craft or gather or play other games while you wait for the next patch which is no problem at all. We have kept that stance from the beginning and it's the core of FFXIV, so we have no intentions of changing that in the future. Of course, we do understand you will get bored of refreshing your item level at one point, but no matter what sort of game design you choose, you'll eventually get bored. I personally want to present a speech on this topic if i have the opportunity because it's such a deep subject, but today i'll finish it here.
For further development of the game, we are okay with adding totally new attractions such as using a huge area to explore or creating an area where you get one shotted unless you take the enemies out one by one, even if you have the best gear, but we aren't in the stages to place this in the center as the core of the game.

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But there is an endless element here in ilvl and relics. People think XI was endless elements? Regardless of what content came if you had Black Belt on monk, that slot was persistently filled through a majority of the game. Relics in this game is the closest thing to that notion but even better because you can power it up. Black Belt is better because it something you got for not only investing a ton of time but conquering difficult content.

You do gain experience by building your ilvl unless you are at level cap.

Yoshi, I love you. And you do understand alot of the crux. But people get bored from repeating content over and over awaiting novelty content unless maybe there is way to keep progressing. The progressing part is where you have the divide between casual and hardcore.

You give substantial progression you satisfy the hardcore. The deeper and longer lasting it is, the further a casual has to go to reach that point. If it goes to far, the casual become unsatisfied.

So you tell me. Is there a way to satisfy all audiences? On the whole I say no. You can't take the core audience of Dragon Age and convert them into Dark Souls and vice versa.

Your hardcore at least in my opinion, want something besides the current ilvl. Whether that is horizontal progress, merits, or just longer lasting phases between ilvl refreshes probably varies from player to player.Personally I'd give the hardcore a unique BIS relic weapon and armors that is based around defeating and achieving goals in the most challenging content while the casual continue as now. The only thing wrong with that is. What is the point besides getting stronger in the most difficult content, raids. It's not like having an ilvl 2000 weapon is going to allow you to do things in the game you couldn't before besides solo stuff. Nothing worthwhile is worth soloing in Eorzea since most things are instanced.

They could solo Odin in the Fate?

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

This is what I fear : The "new era" contains a lot of "fast-food" MMO players. They chose the last hyped game, faceroll it as much as they can, and leave en masse when the next hype starts. So, from my point of view, Yoshi-P is doing everything he can to please people who will quit the game as soon as the MMO fashion shifts...while displeasing most veteran MMO players, who will leave because the lack of required dedication will prevent them from building a real connection with their character.

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I share this feeling. What you stated is also compounded by how this game is almost meant to only be played a few months out of the year and their focus is on getting people to try the game. They need to put more effort into giving them a reason to keep playing the game.

This is quite depressing news. Maybe its time to reevaluate if "modern" MMOs in this day and age are really what I'm looking for or at very least readjust my expectations of where this game is going.

I may not like everything Yoshi does but he has made a solid game within the frameworks of a modern mmo. Modern mmos cater to the casual to midcore. You can see it in most other mmos. Account wide perks, world battle scaling, easy to jump in and out of. Yoshi is not the devil.

The pickings are slim for the other style of game usually relegated to playing older mmos or the few old fashioned mmos coming out. I used to bash my head against the wall when I 1st realized the reality of the genre. But fighting it is futile, so I learned to only play when I am feeling the desire and hop to and fro between games.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

"You will be bored by any system in the long run, so let's keep the one you're already bored with"...yep, totally makes sense.
Or maybe they could, you know...build a different system for each expansion, so by the time you get bored, the system will change...

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you have no idea the cost of doing that. and what if the new system bombs like Diadem?

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Originally Posted by Remedi

I don't get why ppl should be angry since yoshida said the truth, old gen MMOs don't cut it at all. I mean look no further than wildstar you have the proof.

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Yeah but Wildstar was just some no-name MMO. Old Gen + No Name will only draw in just the MMO-scene.
But this is a Final Fantasy game. A large chunk of players came for the name alone. FearTheOldBlood is a very good example of this. SE would have a far easier time going old gen.

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Yeah but Wildstar was just some no-name MMO. Old Gen + No Name will only draw in just the MMO-scene.

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I've seen this rebuttal a few times, and I profoundly disagree with this line of thinking.

The Final Fantasy franchise clearly isn't the invincible juggernaut it used to be. Yes, the name still carries weight, but not so much in the MMO-sphere. MMORPGs are perpetually competing for a niche demographic of gamers, and those of us in this sphere are greatly exposed to the upcoming titles. Wildstar got TONS of press and publicity as a cool new game that would cater to our old-school needs. Heck, back when ARR launched, it seemed like half the posts in the forums were about how Wildstar was going to crush FFXIV.

We all know how that worked out.

Would more people have tried Wildstar had it been a Final Fantasy game? For sure. But not as many as you'd think if the game still had a weird cartoony art style and grindy old-school mechanics, because today's core MMO demographic doesn't want that... and, to them, Final Fantasy isn't a sacred cow.

Wildstar failed because most MMORPG players don't want to return to that kind of gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Nama

This is quite depressing news. Maybe its time to reevaluate if "modern" MMOs in this day and age are really what I'm looking for or at very least readjust my expectations of where this game is going.

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Seems like a lot of games are going down the simplifying route recently. Just a sign of the times really. Most of the ones with the balls to attempt/advertise customization and depth are the crowdfunded ones.

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Originally Posted by HungryHippo

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I dont mind if people want new stuff , but to say everything is *crap* or *ridiculous* is just a personal opinion , and does not represent the community in any way.

thats why react this way ^^

edit : theres to many experts on the forums these days :P (like u know to many cooks are bad to) :P

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Originally Posted by Khemorex

I dont mind if people want new stuff , but to say everything is *crap* or *ridiculous* is just a personal opinion , and does not represent the community in any way.

thats why react this way ^^

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I cannot be more agreed.

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Originally Posted by Khemorex

edit : theres to many experts on the forums these days :P (like u know to many cooks are bad to) :P

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And the people like yourself say the game is fine, where are the people? I que up for a snow dungeon today, forgot the name and never popped so I logged out. I like the game and I know you do too, problem is to keep the old players substain to stay, rather than doing those every 2months off, which hurts people like me and others who are New, if you get it.:)

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Originally Posted by HungryHippo

And the people like yourself say the game is fine, where are the people? I que up for a snow dungeon today, forgot the name and never popped so I logged out. I like the game and I know you do too, problem is to keep the old players substain to stay, rather than doing those every 2months off, which hurts people like me and others who are New, if you get it.:)

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well we all know that the angry people will come to the forums , the ones who are playing well they are playing and not complaining :P

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Originally Posted by Khemorex

well we all know that the angry people will come to the forums , the ones who are playing well they are playing and not complaining :P

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Well yes and No. I would like to see a different respons from you this time if you dont mind. I Came back recently as I mentioned. Is it really okay New or old People coming back, should wait for a New patch to Come, Just so que or the game feels more Alive? I wanna see your opinion here.. Dont tell me to wait for patch. I would like another respons now.

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Originally Posted by HungryHippo

Well yes and No. I would like to see a different respons from you this time if you dont mind. I Came back recently as I mentioned. Is it really okay New or old People coming back, should wait for a New patch to Come, Just so que or the game feels more Alive? I wanna see your opinion here.. Dont tell me to wait for patch. I would like another respons now.

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But is exacly that and I agreed with Yoshi P

The people who is always complaining is the minority, the mayority remains silent. Thats why it seems to be like if everyone would be complaining but is not.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

But is exacly that and I agreed with Yoshi P

The people who is always complaining is the minority, the mayority remains silent. Thats why it seems to be like if everyone would be complaining but is not.

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Thats a issue then. Dont get me wrong, but explain to me why again this game should Get more players when the New ones struggle already?

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I would like another respons now.

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The folks can't give you a response beyond anything sarcastic and mocking those who are dissatisfied because they're content with the current state of the game, it's fine to them. Whatever issues you're having are non-issues to them, so to acknowledge the current state of the game is anything but fine would betray what they think.

The responses you've gotten thus far: "Just find a new FC/LS." "Just be patient." They don't actually have resolutions to the issue, they just roll with the game and accept whatever the current state is.

The answer you've experienced yourself. It really isn't fine for any returning or new players if they chance upon the game during these sleeper months. Especially if their server is one of the more quieter ones. But this is how the game's content has been designed. And you see first hand the attitudes received for the people who want change.

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Originally Posted by Thayos

The Final Fantasy franchise clearly isn't the invincible juggernaut it used to be.

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The brand is very strong. So strong that even if one of the games was absolutely wrecked by critics and players alike, its next version was one of the most successful launch of the decade.

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And the people like yourself say the game is fine, where are the people? I que up for a snow dungeon today, forgot the name and never popped so I logged out. I like the game and I know you do too, problem is to keep the old players substain to stay, rather than doing those every 2months off, which hurts people like me and others who are New, if you get it.:)

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Snowcloak? The problem is you're trying to do it at the very very tail end of a patch cycle when nobody needs tomes any more. The roulettes will be full again pretty soon.