New Class Speculations

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Originally Posted by Malevolence

Late to the discussion, but excited at the prospects of Samurai, Red Mage, and/or Blue Mage being added. Any idea if previous classes from other games, such as Holy Knight from FFT would be considered?

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If they want to avoid redundancy, than Holy Knights (what I assume most people see Paladins as) is unlikely since Paladins' shtick is being holy knights, and the PLDs of this game have that kind of aesthetic and closer deceptions of this archtype are found only in Ishgard, one of whom was murdered and a dozen of them were villains (with one being responsible for the aforementioned murder), and the rest are referred to as "Dragoons", which are associate with lances (And no, odds are that "Holy Dragoons" won;t be implemented bar using Kain's After Years armor as an AF-X [x being 3 or higher] armor for DRG)

Outside of the Jobs you mentioned in your posts the other jobs I know can be worked in without little trouble are Spellblade, Geomancer, Dancer (Chemist is also possible, though an earlier post here has my thoughts on its probability, as a clarification I would see it as unlikely until they release the Gunblade job), and depending on how they handle the weapon, the Sage class.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

If they want to avoid redundancy, than Holy Knights (what I assume most people see Paladins as) is unlikely since Paladins' shtick is being holy knights.

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Adding the Holy Sword set of spells to Paladin would certainly be nice. As is, the Paladins in this game don't have the "holy knight" thing going on, needs more holy themed spells, more about smiting the wicked and things like that. Not only that, but the sword magic spells from FFT (Holy Sword, Dark Sword, and Mighty Sword) have been woefully underutilized in the series as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

2.0 SCH (Healer), SMN (cDPS)
2.4 NIN (mDPS)
3.0 DRK (Tank), AST (Healer), MCH (rDPS)

3 Tanks [PLD, WAR, DRK]
3 Healers [WHM, SCH, AST]
2 cDPS [BLM, SMN]
2 rDPS [BRD, MCH]
3 mDPS [MNK, DRG, NIN]

I think a caster/mage-type dps is due for an addition at least. They haven't added one of those in a while.

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3 VIT
3 MND
2 INT
3 DEX
2 STR

a str and an int based job would balance the accessories and gear race i agree

I'd just Se to add a job similar to WAR eg a tank with high OT dps

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Originally Posted by Cipher_Zaabiz

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Red Mage's origins is going to be a bit difficult currently to identity as not many places in Eorzea looks like it would match the Job's origin's yet.

Ala mhigo is already established as the origin place of the Monks and the Monk Orders had a large influence within Ala Mhigo society serving as the Royal Guards of Ala Mhigo and as a Powerful Organization before the Garlean Empire took over Ala Mhigo and nearly wiped out the Monk Orders.

For Example, a lot of people thought the origin for Astologian's Magic would have been Ishgard due to how players meet Astro NPC from ishgard before 3.0 but instead the origin of Astro's Magic is Sharlayan and the Astro knowledge in Ishgard is only just stargazing to predict movement of the Dragon Horde. It was not until Astro Magic was introduced to Ishgard in the Astro job Storyline when Ishgard became aware that Astro Magic existed.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Red Mage's origins is going to be a bit difficult currently to identity as not many places in Eorzea looks like it would match the Job's origin's yet.

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There's plenty of available options for a RDM origin. They can be tied to Ala Mhigo as combining spells with melee combat is fitting for them. The visual style of RDM fits right at home with something hailing from Sharlayan as well. It also doesn't rule out the potential from them coming from Thavnair either, as we've encountered many scholars from there as well.

I had an interesting idea about them being like wirch hunters that arose after the flood calamity between mhach amdapor and nym, with that witch/vampire hunter looking motif. To me it does look a bit sharlayan, or a cross between gridania and coerthas, i dont know much about gyr abania, but its directly east sandwiched between both, idk how the culture/attire there would be but it could definately be inspired by being close to both,

I have a few speculations of my own...

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If this has been mentioned before I apologize, but I remember Yoshi-P stating the devs will add into the game what is needed first. Looking at the current roster of jobs, I have noticed two things missing: a disciple of magic tank, and a disciple of war healer.

This leads me to speculate if BLU is implemented, it could possibly be a tank. BLU gets its strength from being hit by and learning attacks. That being said, it isn't that far of a stretch to see them in a tank role. Perhaps besides learning actual abilities of mobs, they could do things like pop a cd before a mob's move, and then "learn" it so the next time it is performed it does no/mitigated damage the next time it is used for. Kind of like a one use utsusemi for a specific mob move.

DNC could be a choice for a disciple of war healer. It would be rather close to its XI iteration, and as far as I know the only time DNC was a healer. However, I would still welcome the addition of DNC to the roster as a healer.

It would be nice if they created a support role in addition to tank healer and dd roles...it would nice...then we could have brd...mch and then we could add rdm and geo or even blu.

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Originally Posted by Allistar

It would be nice if they created a support role in addition to tank healer and dd roles...it would nice...then we could have brd...mch and then we could add rdm and geo or even blu.

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I believe I said it before but I would actually agree with a support role. The only problem that has been brought up is how do we make them worth bringing over another DPS?

Although I'd love to see Samurai and many people are sure samurai will be one of the new classes, I honestly would laugh pretty hard if it wasn't or if it was a cast melee like some ideas have been floating around if it gets implemented.

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

Although I'd love to see Samurai and many people are sure samurai will be one of the new classes, I honestly would laugh pretty hard if it wasn't or if it was a cast melee like some ideas have been floating around if it gets implemented.

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I wouldn't argue with it myself, Id imagine the potency would be much higher and it would be a change of pace. Otherwise they would get tossed into the same group as MNK/NIN with positionals I would assume. A somewhat slower paced melee with no need to constantly dance around, I could actually get behind that.

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

Although I'd love to see Samurai and many people are sure samurai will be one of the new classes, I honestly would laugh pretty hard if it wasn't or if it was a cast melee like some ideas have been floating around if it gets implemented.

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Caster melee would be Red Mage not samurai, SE would deviate from what Samurai has always been if they made is caster melee, i don't even know of any caster skill from Samurai.

I assume the new classes will be Samurai and Red Mage, could also be Blue Mage and Red Mage but i doubt it.

I'm pretty sure it'll be Samurai and Red Mage.

And could be likely they would be both DPS (Samurai as STR and Red Mage as INT DPS), no point on adding another Greatsword Tank, and two more DPS variety would bring a lot of possibilities on party composition.

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

Caster melee would be Red Mage not samurai, SE would deviate from what Samurai has always been if they made is caster melee, i don't even know of any caster skill from Samurai.

I assume the new classes will be Samurai and Red Mage, could also be Blue Mage and Red Mage but i doubt it.

I'm pretty sure it'll be Samurai and Red Mage.

And could be likely they would be both DPS (Samurai as STR and Red Mage as INT DPS), no point on adding another Greatsword Tank, and two more DPS variety would bring a lot of possibilities on party composition.

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Maybe "casting" like Cyan's Bushido

That was essentially casting

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

Caster melee would be Red Mage not samurai, SE would deviate from what Samurai has always been if they made is caster melee, i don't even know of any caster skill from Samurai.

I assume the new classes will be Samurai and Red Mage, could also be Blue Mage and Red Mage but i doubt it.

I'm pretty sure it'll be Samurai and Red Mage.

And could be likely they would be both DPS (Samurai as STR and Red Mage as INT DPS), no point on adding another Greatsword Tank, and two more DPS variety would bring a lot of possibilities on party composition.

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By caster I think he was meaning charge time for the skills, like what Gauss Barrel and (forget bards skill) did to their skills. Least that is how I took it.

Samurai.... Samurai.... Samurai.... Samurai damn it!

Been waiting nearly two years now. I want my long stabby slashy weapon. >:C

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

Maybe "casting" like Cyan's Bushido

That was essentially casting

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Auron in FFX lso has Bushido, i didn't play 6 but i guess it's the same.

They're technically casting but i see them as casting buffs so i don't actually look at them as casting skills such as Fire, Ice etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9bdj0_Fn_w

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

By caster I think he was meaning charge time for the skills, like what Gauss Barrel and (forget bards skill) did to their skills. Least that is how I took it.

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Yeah i guess that's what he meant, by bad and thank you.

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

And could be likely they would be both DPS (Samurai as STR and Red Mage as INT DPS), no point on adding another Greatsword Tank, and two more DPS variety would bring a lot of possibilities on party composition.

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that would be a suicide move from SE, ninja was really bad for duty finder queues when release, if you add 2 of the most beloved jobs in to one role in this case DPS you go to kill complety the duty finder for a very long time.

if they add SAM and RDM to dps they don't go to release it at the same time for sure.

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

i don't even know of any caster skill from Samurai.

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To be fair though, not many ranged physical classes have ever had 'charged' actions either until 3.0, so I wouldn't put it beyond the dev team to get samurai a stance that allows actions to be charged to execute more damage.

If samurai is implemented, I am kind of leaning more towards it being a tank since samurai in FFXI did have a lot of tank-like passives/abilities.

If they end up making Samurai DPS, I'd like to see skillchains as part of it's weaponry. With the right combos you could do serious damage, but chances are I can see them making it a tank class so the skillchains would probably be used to gain enmity. If it's a DPS, I'd like them to model it after the MNK class, I know it's a bias on my part, but positionals + skillchains would make it a job that requires to pay attention and master otherwise your damage output will be somewhat subpar.

Red Mage would make an interesting DPS, but probably more as a rune fencer/caster class. Like, give us the option to play as a caster DPS or up close DPS. That will be it's true hybrid for this game. We could have healing rune spells like dancer's Drain Samba where all party members will regen HP for a short duration or something. Or they could make it a melee healer, similar to Dancer without the dancing. Though I think there are some fights that might make it pretty difficult (Ifrit EX) to pull that off, so they might make it another caster.

As much as I want Blue Mage and Beastmaster to be jobs... Blue Mage is going to be tough, learning spells and such... but they could get creative with the questline where you travel to certain parts of Eorzea and "absorb" via a job ability. You know those leves where you have to weaken the enemy and /soothe it? It'd be similar, but instead of /soothe, you would have an ability to "assimilate" the enemy's essence into your body. They'd be actual duties too so players don't get ahead of themselves and overgrind where they could defeat their target with an autoattack or a couple hits.

Beast Master would make a fun pet DPS, I'd probably rock that if they don't over bloat it with skills like they did with MCH.

I just hope Sam is a dps kind of tired of all the sword jobs being tanks. Been waiting for sword dps forever xD

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Originally Posted by Cynric

I just hope Sam is a dps kind of tired of all the sword jobs being tanks. Been waiting for sword dps forever xD

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Ninja says hi :P

I wait for the day when Gunblade DPS Job arrives once we begin moving towards the Garlean Empire or once we can enter the Garlean Empire.

Bluuuuuue Mage support DPS. Less about mana TP, more about survive ability. :C

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Ninja says hi :P

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Ninja doesn't use a sword and doesn't play like a class that uses a sword would. You could base that on a technicality by saying some of the weapons look like swords however some of them also look like axes. Does that mean we have a dual wielding axe job if you use titan cleavers? No still a dagger job :x.plus ninjutsu is meh

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Originally Posted by Cynric

Ninja doesn't use a sword and doesn't play like a class that uses a sword would. You could base that on a technicality by saying some of the weapons look like swords however some of them also look like axes. Does that mean we have a dual wielding axe job if you use titan cleavers? No still a dagger job :x.plus ninjutsu is meh

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But she's a potato, so daggers are like swords to her. D:

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Originally Posted by Cynric

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technically ninja use 2 ninjato, more precise 2 wakizashi ninjato type and are clasified like short swords so ninjas are sword users, you can use daggers too but are just glamour.

so you can arge you want a long sword dps user, but dps have already one sword user.

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Originally Posted by CheshirePuss

But she's a potato, so daggers are like swords to her. D:

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This is true. What about greatswords?

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Originally Posted by Cynric

This is true. What about greatswords?

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God help her soul.

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Originally Posted by shao32

technically ninja use 2 ninjato, more precise 2 wakizashi ninjato type and are clasified like short swords so ninjas are sword users, you can use daggers too but are just glamour.

so you can arge you want a long sword dps user, but dps have already one sword user.

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Ninjas in ff14 do not specifically use any type of sword/ dagger. Its literally all over the place from axe type weapon to sickles. Itd be more accurate to say Ninja is a user of ninjutsu and you can change your glamour to fit your preference. However the base weapon for ninjas in ff14 are daggers and the playstyle lends itself to that archetype more than a swordsman.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

This is true. What about greatswords?

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Originally Posted by CheshirePuss

God help her soul.

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We're done making jokes about my size?

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Originally Posted by Cynric

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if you want to arge the ninja base weapons are the daggers when you say they dont use specifically any type of sword/dagger is fine but i remember you gladiator use those daggers in 2.0, this become they are dagger use too?

so is more accurate to say rogues use daggers bcs is the most common weapon with that size in those lvls, most ninja weapons at lvl 50-60 have a very long size to can't be clasified like a simple dagger or knife but not so long to be call it a regular sword like paladins use.

and playstyle or combat style if you want to call it in that way there is not much to say story prove a weapon can be use in many forms like old european knight how grab the sword from the edge and hit the oponent with the handle.

in other words ninjas are dagger users and short swords users depending the glamour you have it (you can call it double lala-paladin long swords users too ;3) , but dont tell me the ravana ninja weapons, gordian baselards yukimitsu, ohojo kai, sasuke blades, yoshimitsu and a large ect are in the same bag.

In the end, I can only pray that if they do release a new DPS, please let a tank or healer be paired with it. I can only imagine the wait times if its released on its own. Though healers/tanks will love it I am sure.

I think I would really like to see Red Mage or Blue mage even. Particularly want to see a magic user of some kind which wields physical weapons, not your more traditional staffs, rods, orbs, books etc.

I'd love to see both Geomancer and Chemist to come in as healers. I know people want Geomancer as a magic DPS, but I think it'd make an interesting healer. Creating a healing terrian around the tank that does...various things. And if it last long enough and heals well enough, your Geomancer can stilll be a DPS, just like SCH. Chemist, ofc, would be a healer via mixing, which would be a ton of fun.

I also think Dancer should not be a TP healer, but a support DPS like NIN. Ofc, that's just my opinion, but I think it would be interesting.

Aside from those, would love to see all the staples make it into the game. Pretty much everything from FFE should be in here, as well as a few others. But with some classes being fused into others, I understand the limitations. Beserker, Time Mage, and some others were added to our current classes, I I get it if they aren't here.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

We're done making jokes about my size?

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For now! Haha sorry it was just too funny and that second reply made me laugh quite a bit.

Ah, just had another idea.
ARR SPOILERS BELOW -- YOU WERE WARNED.





Watching 1.0 and 2.0 Cutscenes as background noise and forgot that the fight with Nero he wields a large hammer. Square since Tactics and beyond have touted an interesting class: Judgemaster.

It's been a new staple since FFXII/Tactics if memory serves. and in one of the new mobile ones I think, and it's a heavy armored job class. Now that if anyone beat ARR Nero is still alive and well and after the CT he claims that he needs to find a new calling.

Perhaps he could create the class and train would be adventurers in the ways of the Judgemaster, passing on his skills unto numerous proteges. Leaving a legacy, and a new job class for aspiring tanks who are looking to smash their enemies into a fine paste. This game would be perfect fit for them.

Except Judges are already taken by two separate aspects of the game which are by design inaccessible to players - one you have the Legatus which are the commanders of the Garlean military, each of whom lead an Imperial legion (like Nael and the VIIth Legion, Gaius and the XIVth, Regula and the VIth etc).

Because we are not Garlean (they're our enemies after all), you will not see Garlean military roles used by adventurers (it should be noted Nero, Rhitayan and Livia were actually not even Legatee but the lesser rank of Tribune, still powerful but subservient to a Legatus.)

The second use of the term 'Judge' in the game is actually what the GMs are known as - their special GM-specific gear is called 'Judge equipment' and is completely inaccessible to players (player characters cannot gain it nor could they even equip it if they tried). GMs also have a special icon beside their name which is the Judge helmet they wear too.

So that is pretty conclusive that Judge will never be a player class/Job in the game I am sorry to say, as it's already taken.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

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Thought what would beg the question what would SE name the Gunblade Job since Yoshi-P did hint he is holding back for when we begin progressing towards Garlean Empire or when we can enter it back in 2013 during 2.0 era.

In FF Series the Gunblade users never had a actual Job name nor much Job identity beyond the weapon. Would they choose to follow the Gunblade job with Leather type armor since characters that use Gunblade weapon in FF series are often seen wearing leather/cloth type armor (more towards DPS job) or would they follow it up towards how the Garlean Military user often wear heavy armor (more toward Tank Job).

We know the basic Gunblade is standard issues for Garlean Troops as some cutscenes show basic low ranking garlean foot soldiers use the basic Gunblades.

However, what would be the Job story reason why the WoL can begin training to use a Gunblade Job? Who would be his/her training? What would be the inspiration for the Job's Role and gameplay? Why did it take so long for people outside of Garlean Empire to begin using Gunblades when the basic gunblade are often used as standard issues for the basic garlean foot soldiers?