Heavensword 2* Red Scrip Crafting Rotation

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Originally Posted by Kiara

Also, BTW, to utilize your higher CP / Crafts rotations you list, doesn't that mean that you realistically are melding some pieces *not* at Max Cap (since Tier V not available)

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I wouldn't say "not available" just "difficult to obtain". I got lucky on one of my transmutations and got a craftsmanship V :)

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

When the time comes, I'll either go to Mutamix and get the old materia cleared out, or I'll make a new item, convert the old item to (hopefully) Grade V materia, and put the resulting materia in the new one. Which I do will depend on factors including the relative availability/value of the mats to craft the particular new piece and the Grade 5 materia, and I cannot predict that without knowing what changes/additions SE will make to crafting and gathering by that time.

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As far as converting i170 crafting gear, I would wait until the patch notes explicitly say that you can gain them from converting. They explicitly stated that you couldn't at the release of 3.0, and did not mention otherwise in subsequent patches.

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Originally Posted by Kiara

Thanks so much Silverbane, Kat! :) Also, BTW, to utilize your higher CP / Crafts rotations you list, doesn't that mean that you realistically are melding some pieces *not* at Max Cap (since Tier V not available), and you're counting on... erasing / removing and re-melding later?

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I'm aggressive with melds but I did the most logical thing which was to short my craftsmanship on my melds, and leave my main/offhand open for extra craftsman melds if needed. I think I'm one or two stats off max melds on my two star accessories (which is all you need to use my higher CP rotations). Assuming that you max CP melded your i150 gear (which again is what I did).

I should link my recommended i150 left side with i170 right side to reach the max CP.

Also since I'm just short a hint of craftsmanship and like two quality from max, I am not anticipating revising my melds.

Thanks all! I see.

Yah, I guess part of me (the frugal side LOL), thinks, "Well, if Tier V (for Max) isn't readily available, it feels like a waste of money to meld less than Max right now." :) Heh.

But there are some good ideas here (such as hopefully by then Tier V is easier to get, and you convert the pieces that weren't maxed out to maybe get a Tier V; or just get close enough etc.). Thanks.

Updated with a video guide for anyone interested. It covers the basics of the MaMa Careful Synth rotation, when to use ToT, and shows approach making a two star chest piece. Let me know if you have any questions or if you would like to see other crafting videos which don't have good coverage right now.

Video Link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQChyC1EUag

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Originally Posted by Katlyna

Video Link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQChyC1EUag

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Nice vid! Love the little hand wave at the end! XD

Maybe this has been asked but is there a reason you're wasting a maker's mark step on inner quiet instead of doing inner quiet after mark has worn?

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Maybe this has been asked but is there a reason you're wasting a maker's mark step on inner quiet instead of doing inner quiet after mark has worn?

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Good question. If you do not cast inner quiet after CZ you will hit max CP and you can't retrieve a ToT during your flawless synth cycle. This is one of those things which looks bad on paper but is actually smart to do.

Have 777 craft, 703 control and 386CP unbuffed. Used HQ seafood stew and managed to HQ one of my ingots today. Then RNG came along and turned my 2nd ingot SQ at 76% quality having botched 4 of the HTs.

I hate that after weeks of gearing red scrips, excessive melds, best foods and all that time gathering my own materials I still rely so much on rng for these crafts.

I decided today to retire from crafting and just gather scrips for whatever thing comes after this god awful, painful, near-rewardless grind they put in place.

I'm a lil confused to howan abundance of these skills are RNG bases yet reclaim isn't on your list. Is it really that common to barely miss an action with your rotation? Cause I've had plenty of shII+hasty fails. Also what's your general pre-accumulated quality?(how many HQ materials does this require)

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Originally Posted by Nomad-phx

I'm a lil confused to howan abundance of these skills are RNG bases yet reclaim isn't on your list. Is it really that common to barely miss an action with your rotation? Cause I've had plenty of shII+hasty fails. Also what's your general pre-accumulated quality?(how many HQ materials does this require)

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Reclaim isn't on my required list but in the note below it I point out you have your choice between Innovate and Reclaim and currently I have Reclaim loaded. Though I probably use the skill once a month or less. I start with around 2000 quality, and at 2000 you can miss three hasty touches if you succeed one precise touch. You can miss four hasty touches if you succeed two precise touches. As noted Ingenuity II + Byregot's allows you to miss one more hasty than a normal rotation so you have a fair bit of wiggle room to succeed your synth with this rotation.

For your 819craftmanship rotation do you know when it's safe to fail 5 FS? Without changing the rotation. How much craft would I need?

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Originally Posted by Gakaveli

For your 819craftmanship rotation do you know when it's safe to fail 5 FS? Without changing the rotation. How much craft would I need?

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Try it out on http://ffxiv-beta.lokyst.net/#/simulator, it's pretty accurate in my experience.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Try it out on http://ffxiv-beta.lokyst.net/#/simulator, it's pretty accurate in my experience.

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Cool will try it out. Thank you

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Originally Posted by Katlyna

Updated with a video guide for anyone interested. It covers the basics of the MaMa Careful Synth rotation, when to use ToT, and shows approach making a two star chest piece. Let me know if you have any questions or if you would like to see other crafting videos which don't have good coverage right now.

Video Link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQChyC1EUag

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Omg is it me or are we both in Ultros?! :O finally a video! Thanks!

Haha we are indeed both on Ultros. I though your name looked familiar but whenever I see you ingame it didn't click... now if I run by you without /wave you have permission to /bonk me!

That's lovely lol!!! I'll wave it's good to have another good crafter around! 0/

Katlyna, based on the simulator. Ingenuity can do as much as IngII. Is this true?

If so, having 448 cp should give a room for an Innovation.

The simulator has a bug for Ingenuity and isn't accurate. But you can safely switch to ingenuity I as follows:

So somewhere inbetween 790 and 800 craftsmanship (with your foodbuff included)... you could in theory use the Extra Progress rotations with Ingenuity I. With 419 base CP this would give you two free Precise/Basic (or one free precise and innovate). This would further improve the overall HQ chance nicely, effectively reducing your need to hit another hasty touch.

So in theory:
MaMa Careful Synth (Max CP, Extra Progress, Ingenuity I, Requires 10/13 Flawless Synth) Required stats 790-800 Craftsman and 467 CP
MaMa Careful Synth (Max CP, Extra Progress, Ingenuity I, Requires 9/13 Flawless Synth) Required stats 820-830 Craftsman and 467 CP

WARNING THOUGH I need to actually test this theory to see what the craftsman breakpoint actually is. I'll test this out on my blacksmith and weaver this week. I can equip the Blacksmith to be over 830 and Weaver around 790 to test this theory.
* One problem with this theory is you would actually need 421 base since 8+8 is 16 not 18... or you could use HQ Seafood... though a single ToT proc is 20 CP... so one ToT would also put you even. Max equipment CP is 422... so any way you cut it we're getting fairly high end with the rotation theory here. I personally sit at 420 (with +3 CP in main/offhand rather than +4)

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As you noted you could use this approach to lower your CP threshold and do the synth with less CP or add another touch as I noted.

How would you go about Lv60** progression?

I was thinking something like.. BSM OH > BSM MH > CRP OH > CRP MH > Astral Birch Ring > Astral Birch Ring > Astral Birch Bracelets > Astral Birch Necklace > GSM OH > GSM MH > Aurum Earring of Crafting > LTW OH > LTW MH > Griffin Tool Belt > WVR OH > WVR MH >

After that I have access to make all the Body and Leg equipment, should I do body first or just dependent on stats? (I've not compared yet)

After that I guess ARM OH > ARM MH , then it looks like I'll have access to all armor pieces, and eventually weave in ALC/CUL MH+OHs as I need them.

Is going for the accessories/belt first a good plan or should I work on body/legs/other armor before that? Do you remember how you progressed and would you mind sharing?

EDIT: My intentions were to skip all red script gear and just use those for materials as I have quite a few stacked up from the past month or so.

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Originally Posted by SirPhatts

How would you go about Lv60** progression?

Is going for the accessories/belt first a good plan or should I work on body/legs/other armor before that? Do you remember how you progressed and would you mind sharing?

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It depends on your situation and approach to crafting I suppose. If you're using a CP efficient rotation and already have around 440 CP with food, it's probably easiest to start with the offhand, which provides the largest craftsmanship and control improvements. I find that the craftsmanship upgrade from the offhand is particularly useful if you're using Maker's Mark and Flawless Synthesis. If you're a bit short on CP, start with at least some of the accessories instead.

One your CP is sufficient, I find that it's best to prioritize the offhand, main-hand, and chest pieces (largely because the i180 equivalents cost a whole lot of tokens and if you're later in a rush to gear up for some reason, the other pieces are cheaper to trade for) and then leave the rest for later.

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Originally Posted by MN_14

It depends on your situation and approach to crafting I suppose. If you're using a CP efficient rotation and already have around 440 CP with food, it's probably easiest to start with the offhand, which provides the largest craftsmanship and control improvements. I find that the craftsmanship upgrade from the offhand is particularly useful if you're using Maker's Mark and Flawless Synthesis. If you're a bit short on CP, start with at least some of the accessories instead.

One your CP is sufficient, I find that it's best to prioritize the offhand, main-hand, and chest pieces (largely because the i180 equivalents cost a whole lot of tokens and if you're later in a rush to gear up for some reason, the other pieces are cheaper to trade for) and then leave the rest for later.

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Thanks for the input, My CP buffed is now 447, but more is always welcomed. I heard OH was the largest boost which is great to confirm.

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Originally Posted by MN_14

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Minerva's advice is spot on. There's nothing I could add to that except what I personally made first. I did all my accessories first (because my base melds were insane and had enough crafts/control to comfortably work with two star goods. So extra CP for another basic/precise was the first improvement I wanted. After I picked up chest slots for fun, and then offhands and and mainhands so I could switch from ingenuity II to ingenuity I (giving me one more basic/precise).

I want to thank Katlyna who has been so generous with heer experience and insight. Using the information shared here i have been able to complete all my accessories, all my off hands, half my main hands, and today, my GSM left side. So far I have had only 1 NQ product. While i wish there was some practical application for all this effort, I am enjoying the sense of accomplishment i get as i progress through this gearing process. Again, thank you so much!

I did my BSM Main hand and off hand first, then the other offhands (including gatherers). Then the accessories (for the CP), then 3 more of the mainhands, and finally the fun stuff, my first complete outfit!

Appreciate the youtube guide. Many people do them but macro the crafting and I don't judge but I don't macro either. I also can't establish what they are doing when they macro. I don't expect to making this gear because I refuse to use the penta-meld system but it does let me see what the hands on rotations are.

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Originally Posted by Ksenia

Many people do them but macro the crafting and I don't judge but I don't macro either. I also can't establish what they are doing when they macro. I don't expect to making this gear because I refuse to use the penta-meld system but it does let me see what the hands on rotations are.

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Given the time it takes to get the materials, I doubt anyone would want to risk using a macro. A semi-static rotation should be used at the very least as they're capable of achieving very high HQ yields. I personally prefer a less CP efficient, but more dynamic approach instead since it gives me far more control over the synthesis and can allow for very high HQ yields at minimum craftsmanship and control. The risk of an NQ should be extremely low if you think strategically (since upgrading to 455 CP, I've quite literally gotten a 99% HQ yield and have never NQed a final craft before). I've now upgraded to 471 CP using temporary melds, so I think I can fully unlock the potential of this approach. Like in 2.4, if you use a flexible rotation, you're basically modifying your chances to build 11 stacks of inner quiet. However, you have to be really careful with your CP use due to the lack of good procs.

These are some of the results I've observed so far from best to worst:

1) 1 PT + 13 HT/BT
2) 14 HT/BT
3) 1 PT + 11 HT/BT
4) 13 HT/BT
5) 2 PT + 8 HT/BT
6) 1 PT + 10 HT/BT
7) 12 HT/BT
8) 11 HT/BT

As you approach the CP cap, some of these bottom options will disappear boosting your HQ yield further. For this approach, the biggest tip I can give is to adjust your strategy if you get a string of misses near the beginning of the synth. If feasible, forget precise touch, forget Waste Not II, and divert all extra CP to durability restores if you feel there is a good chance that you can increase the number of your touch attempts to 13 or 14.

Hey guys, I recently found a video on YT where this guy used an interesting rotation for 2 star crafts that started with:
MaMa
PbPx2
Flawless Synth

I thought it was pretty good. What do you think?

nvm, I've just read some previous comments and found my answer.

just wanted to say thanks these rotations are amazing.... one question for Kat... the images that show what looks like a simulator off some kind were do u find that..? would like to give it a try on some of my other classes that have different stats.... Again thank you

OK after reading pages backwards found the simulator i believe on page 14.... Thx again for everyone contributions... With them was able to hq my adaman ingots and make my first HQ BSM offhand

Welcome. and thanks for the feedback and huggles. And yes the simulator is http://ffxiv-beta.lokyst.net/#/simulator and its just fantastic!

Hi. I wanted to ask you if you've found a worthwhile breakpoint to change Ingenuity 2 to 1, and if you know if the sim has accurate level 60 ingenuity info yet. My craftmanship goal has been to get above 819 unbuffed so I can use seafood stew and the normal rotation with 4 FT misses, but wondering as I start to make some left side gear if I should aim for a higher breakpoint. To go along with that, how do you recommend melding mainhands? I have token 180 CRP/BSM but I'm thinking of making the crafted 170 for all 8 classes for the extra CP now that mats are faster to get. Thanks.

You can indeed just use Ingenuity I after you reach around 800 craftsmanship (that's what I do). I just add cheep control to my main and offhands (after 4 CP).

So in theory:
MaMa Careful Synth (Max CP, Extra Progress, Ingenuity I, Requires 10/13 Flawless Synth) Required stats 790-800 Craftsman and 467 CP
MaMa Careful Synth (Max CP, Extra Progress, Ingenuity I, Requires 9/13 Flawless Synth) Required stats 820-830 Craftsman and 467 CP

I haven't tested the exact boundaries

Thank you for this rotations Kat, I've recently started working on my off-hands and I could easily HQ 3 of them yesterday. Unfortunately I failed 1, too many HT failed and reclaim failed as well but that's how it goes with crafting :/
Seriously though, if I think about the profit I've forgone to craft this stuff I'm not sure it was worth it :confused: I just hope that the new recipes in 3.2 will allow me to make some money.

Welcome and thanks! Sorry you lost something. I have also lost one two star item to date when I failed 6 HTs pretty much in a row. I unfortunately didn't have reclaim loaded at the time. IRONICALLY after loading reclaim that day I haven't had any reason to use reclaim since... that's been like two months. </3 Reclaim.

Thank you for the awesome rotation, been using the rotation quite awhile. So far manage to get all mainhand, chest, accessories and 3 offhands. Yesterday crafted weaver offhand from pure NQ to 100% HQ( <--i have more craft and control from minimum requirement roughly 830/740 with food)

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Originally Posted by Katlyna

Welcome. and thanks for the feedback and huggles. And yes the simulator is http://ffxiv-beta.lokyst.net/#/simulator and its just fantastic!

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You are awesome! ty for all the info, very very much appreciated!! :o

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Originally Posted by MistyMew

You are awesome! ty for all the info, very very much appreciated!! :o

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OMG your siggy is soooo cute <3

Thanks a lot of the rotation, it has been much more consistent then previous ones I have used.

http://i.imgur.com/UgmxyT8.png
I have been thinking of trying out the rotation with Muscle Memory over Maker's Mark. Once you get enough Craftsmanship (~819) MuMe + 5xCSII/IngenII is enough for progress, which allows Muscle Memory to take the place of the 6th CSII. The main benefit of it is that it takes 15 steps less for each craft, which when you are making 20 Astral Silk can save a lot of time. What you lose is the almost guaranteed ToT during the 15 steps of Maker's Mark.

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Originally Posted by Ermad

Thanks a lot of the rotation, it has been much more consistent then previous ones I have used.

http://i.imgur.com/UgmxyT8.png
I have been thinking of trying out the rotation with Muscle Memory over Maker's Mark. Once you get enough Craftsmanship (~819) MuMe + 5xCSII/IngenII is enough for progress, which allows Muscle Memory to take the place of the 6th CSII. The main benefit of it is that it takes 15 steps less for each craft, which when you are making 20 Astral Silk can save a lot of time. What you lose is the almost guaranteed ToT during the 15 steps of Maker's Mark.

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Indeed, the advantages of MusMem are that it's so much faster and it only consumes 1 Cross Class. The disadvantages are that it eats up 6 CP instead of having a chance to earn more CP, and it consumes 10 durab instead of zero from MaMa. Given enough stats, I think MusMem is a valid thing to use to speed things up. One just needs to remember to switch back to MaMa for the final products. However, switching between 2 different rotations can sometime cause chaos... One gotta be very conscious to avoid confusion between the two.

It uses the same base amount of CP as MaMa, since MaMa+CZ = 6CP. So you are just using the 10 extra durability, which is made up for by being able to drop a CSII. Sometimes you are able to drop that CSII with MaMa, but you need pretty good Flawless Synths so you can't rely on it and it only gives you an extra non-SH2 Hasty Touch (which always fail!). So the only advantage I can really see to MaMa is the near guaranteed ToT during it.

I would use this for final products as well, since I always take Reclaim for those because really bad Hasty Touches can screw you no matter what. Only GSM has enough Cross Class to take both ToT and Reclaim, so you wouldn't see the MaMa benefit for the other classes.

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Originally Posted by Ermad

I have been thinking of trying out the rotation with Muscle Memory over Maker's Mark. Once you get enough Craftsmanship (~819) MuMe + 5xCSII/IngenII is enough for progress, which allows Muscle Memory to take the place of the 6th CSII. The main benefit of it is that it takes 15 steps less for each craft, which when you are making 20 Astral Silk can save a lot of time. What you lose is the almost guaranteed ToT during the 15 steps of Maker's Mark.

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I was considering doing the same. The problem I ran into was that at around 800 Craftsmanship you can flip over to Ingenuity I (which is something I need to highlight on the front page, but I've been too lazy too). In which case you get 16 CP back so if you can scare up 2 extra CP that's a free Percise/basic. The problem is that when you try to flip to Muscle Memory you need Ingenuity II in order to get the same distance (since you have one less Careful Synth benefiting from the buff). So you loose the Flawless proc and your Ingenuity I's extra CP.

That flustered me super hard when I saw that in the simulator. So I still have't found a Muscle memory rotation I would flip back to over what I'm doing now. Which I HATE because I concur... flawless synths are freaking long (ungawa).

[QUOTE=Ermad;3468304]I always take Reclaim for those because really bad Hasty Touches can screw you no matter what./QUOTE]

I hate reclaim so much. The one time I needed reclaim was three months ago... since then I haven't needed to reclaim once. Though I have had ~3 shoddy end synths, they were all glamor items. The rarity I use reclaim is so vast I have an extremely difficult time justifying it being on my bar.