Please disable changing Cleric Stance during combat for make healer focus on healing.

Well. It's not gonna happen since they are including healer DPS for Alex savage. In fact, they mentioned specifically that they increased WHM damage for Heavensward.

The OP is a classic case of not reading properly. All the things that SE has said so far would point to them wanting healers to dps more in Heavensward.

When I came back to healing, Cleric Stance made me nervous. So I eased myself into it, and I still do. Every dungeon run, every CT, every new boss fight, I wait and see. Is the tank going to pull a ton of mobs and not pop a cool down? Okay no clerics. Has he pulled more than he can handle? No clerics. Is my co- healer in clerics and I know there's a tank killer move coming up? No clerics. Okay, the tank used Hallowed, Selene's on Rouse, I can cleric, get my dots up, Bane, maybe even a nice Shadow Flare, then turn it off again.

Point being, healer DPS is situational. It depends first on whether they feel comfortable or not, and if they don't, then they shouldn't. Because they are there to keep everyone else alive. If they do feel comfortable - and as they practice, they'll get more and more comfortable and more aware of when is a good time to hit that button - then they should go for it. I know for example that I can mostly DPS as SCH in the first phase of T9 because I know my WHM partner has healing covered; I just need to stance dance when Ravensbeak is incoming to get an Adloqium on the tank. But it took me a few runs to learn that degree of comfort/familiarity. And I wouldn't presume a SCH who didn't deeps then was BAAAD. I like stance dancing, but it's all down to specific situations making it a good idea or not. Have to say tho, when I get commendations as a healer, I've always stance danced

replace cleric stance with the spell haste problem solved :p

What should have happened IMO... was they should have left CS like it worked in V1.2, where it "temporarily buffed" DPS for X attacks/time rather than swapped mind and int. That would have made impulse "dual DPS/Healing" make sense, but I understand why they made it do what it does... because like the tank stance, you would be screwed over on all the mainstream single player quests and have to spend a lot more time than DPS to get through the content if there was long CD's between each DPS attack.

That said, I'm still of the opinion that CS shouldn't be something that can be switched on if you queue as healer (and likewise with tanks dps stance) because it's the kind of thing that people do to eschew doing their job. SE has shown they can make skills work differently under PvP (CS is not usable in PvP), so they can certainly do it with the Dungeons. Now why do you think they did this with PvP? Because people were using WHM's for DPS, and not healing.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...6869b10e012e57

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No, they did that because healers in PvP who did the damage they do outside of PvP would be nightmares.

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...because it's the kind of thing that people do to eschew doing their job.

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Either we accept that ALL of your runs in DF are absolutely terrible and that that somehow justifies your skewed perspective on the healer role OR we accept that you simply don't approve of healers dealing damage on philosophical grounds and want all of the stalks of grass cut equally low. Which is it? Can't be both. Plenty of healers successfully perform their jobs to the fullest by incorporating their DPS kits and are eschewing nothing but laziness; kindly refrain from lumping the entire community in with your statement.

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SE has shown they can make skills work differently under PvP (CS is not usable in PvP), so they can certainly do it with the Dungeons. Now why do you think they did this with PvP?

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Don't be absurd. They did it because healers were overpowered in PvP with that much damage-dealing ability; it certainly wasn't because Yoshida took offense at healers daring to use the abilities he and his team designed for them.

Wow, I haven't seen such a stupid post in a really long time.

Why even have Holy then? Or Stone? Or Scholar DoTs?

Why don't we just remove all abilities from these jobs that don't directly heal. That surely wouldn't be boring and unfair to healers at all.

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Wow, I haven't seen such a stupid post in a really long time.

Why even have Holy then? Or Stone? Or Scholar DoTs?

Why don't we just remove all abilities from these jobs that don't directly heal. That surely wouldn't be boring and unfair to healers at all.

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Months later and Kisa still has no idea how other healers successfully pull this off. I actually wish we were on the same server so we could party up and I could demonstrate how this works when done correctly.

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Months later and Kisa still has no idea how other healers successfully pull this off. I actually wish we were on the same server so we could party up and I could demonstrate how this works when done correctly.

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I was talking about the first post but looking over the current conversation all I can say is wow.

Some people. >.>

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I was talking about the first post but looking over the current conversation all I can say is wow.

Some people. >.>

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I have a confession: after 13 pages of this nonsense I have a hard time remembering the original post except that it was such a ridiculous premise that I can't be bothered to quote specifics.

On behalf of Tonberry server I'll like to apologize for the OP, we are not all that bad I promise. It's a very nice server with above average players as a whole.

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Either we accept that ALL of your runs in DF are absolutely terrible and that that somehow justifies your skewed perspective on the healer role OR we accept that you simply don't approve of healers dealing damage on philosophical grounds and want all of the stalks of grass cut equally low. Which is it? Can't be both. Plenty of healers successfully perform their jobs to the fullest by incorporating their DPS kits and are eschewing nothing but laziness; kindly refrain from lumping the entire community in with your statement.

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Don't be absurd. They did it because healers were overpowered in PvP with that much damage-dealing ability; it certainly wasn't because Yoshida took offense at healers daring to use the abilities he and his team designed for them.

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So what is it then? Are Healers with CS overpowered, or did SE (see the first post again) never intend for the healers to contribute to party DPS? It can't be both.

That's why I keep saying "developers intent", so what if the healers DPS and the DF queue is faster by 2 seconds. I'd say >90% of PUG DF runs have no DPS opportunity because players don't pay attention to the mechanics and want to do things faster, riskier for no change in reward. If crappy WHM's didn't try to DPS, then they wouldn't be bringing down the entire party's DPS.

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Months later and Kisa still has no idea how other healers successfully pull this off. I actually wish we were on the same server so we could party up and I could demonstrate how this works when done correctly.

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That's what youtube/twitchtv is for, but the average stream is too poor to really figure out what people are doing unless they do absolutely everything with the mouse.

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Wow, I haven't seen such a stupid post in a really long time.

Why even have Holy then? Or Stone? Or Scholar DoTs?

Why don't we just remove all abilities from these jobs that don't directly heal. That surely wouldn't be boring and unfair to healers at all.

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First... CS is a CNJ skill. It can be cross classed to SCH but not SMN. So are redundant skills like Cure/Psysick and Raise/Resurrect. Just because you can cross-class it doesn't mean it's required. For all intents SCH job trades the DPS/Tank pets for the Healing and Buff pets. Their DPS damage without CS is unchanged from ACN. When you equip the SMN job stone you get an INT boost where as the SCH job stone brings the Mind up to about the same amount as CNJ. Where as when a CNJ equips the WHM job stone, the mind multiplier is changed. The SCH loses half it's DPS vs ACN/SMN because it no longer has DPS pets.

If CS wasn't available during DF , that wouldn't prevent a healer from DPS'ing, it would just put CS where it belongs, on the Solo content. CS in dungeons makes healers "too powerful", and players end up queuing as healer when they only want to DPS. It must terribly suck when both healers in an 8-man don't want to heal.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/125...-Event-5-19%29

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This is also one of the reasons we decided to implement both a normal and savage version of Alexander. Once again, healer DPS was not included in the development team's calculation as it was for other jobs, so you should just think of healer DPS as a last way to get your overall party's DPS up to where it needs to be.

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Which is what I've been saying forever. The Healer is not required to DPS. That is entirely at the whim of the healer. The arguments over this always boil down to crappy players telling healers to DPS, and crappy healers "doing nothing" when there's obviously something else they can do.

If the developers had intended for the healer to contribute DPS in all battles, the mechanics would frequently reflect more opportunities for them to DPS by having more long-cast raid-wipe mechanics (think demon walls) where little damage is being thrown, followed by heavy damage that can be predicted and shielded/topped up against. But no, nearly all trash mobs in the game can just be rounded up and everyone throw their largest AOE at the whole lot.

Just because you have DPS skills, does not mean you need to be using every single one in every single fight. This is the message that I'm trying to get across, and people seem to be intent on reading it as "Boo, DPS healers are bad"

Yes a lot of DPS healers are bad, because they have been told by crappy parties to "DPS or get kicked", or are under the impression that they will be kicked if they don't. So they do both poorly.

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Well. It's not gonna happen since they are including healer DPS for Alex savage. In fact, they mentioned specifically that they increased WHM damage for Heavensward.

The OP is a classic case of not reading properly. All the things that SE has said so far would point to them wanting healers to dps more in Heavensward.

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If your group is at or above intended item level for it, no, its not considered.

Read it again.

If I may offer my own two cents…

I'm someone who plays MMOs like FFXIV for the Healer role. It provides a type of gameplay I have yet to find in single player games. I once played a Guardian Shepherd in Mass Effect because I thought it'd allow me to play a 'supporter' role to the party NPCs (no such luck). I like hanging back and helping, rather then actually fighting. I'm the kind of person who slips into 'healer' mode the second she sees low HP, throwing out Cures during FATEs, or even at random players I encounter in the field.

As such, the concept of being required to DPS as a healer *terrifies* me. I suck at DPS. Big time. My reflexes are good, but not that good, no thanks to a problem with fine motor control in general. Doing something as simple as switching between enemies takes a few seconds longer then it should (switching between party members is easier, since all it requires is the d-pad, in contrast to the two buttons required for tabbing through enemies).

(cont. cause 1000 char limit.)
I'm learning to throw Stone or Aero during lulls, but I don't think I'll ever be able to 'stance dance.' That's because I'm hypervigilant on everyone's HP, and all it would take is for me to 'forget' to switch stances during a rush of damage to invite disaster. And yes, I'm prone to that sort of thing. I don't know what I'll do if my group demands I contribute to the DPS meters.

If demanding Healer DPS becomes a norm, then I would gladly welcome the solution OP proposes. I don't play Healer to DPS. I play it to heal. It's one of *the* reasons I play MMOs to begin with. I hate when I hear MMOs are trying to 'break' the Tank/Healer/DPS triad, because it sounds like just making all claases DPS of some sort, and more distressingly, eliminating the pure Healer role I love so much. It'll be a sad day for me if/when those disappear.

I got in an ifrit hm group one night for trial roulette with what was mostly a premade party, because before I even got a chance to judge the group and the other whm with me to see if it was safe to pop c/s, I was being ridiculed for not being in C/S with the other whm who couldn't even manage to put regen on the mt. All to shave off a possible minute from their light farm. Sorry but if you come across like a two year old having a tantrum in target, you aren't going to manipulate me into doing what you want. Really think the healer dpsing invisilaw has been taken too far by a lot of this community and I can see a lot of people getting sick of it, myself included.

C/S doesn't need to be taken away. I like to use it when I can, but I'll be the judge of when to use it.

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(cont. cause 1000 char limit.)
I'm learning to throw Stone or Aero during lulls, but I don't think I'll ever be able to 'stance dance.' That's because I'm hypervigilant on everyone's HP, and all it would take is for me to 'forget' to switch stances during a rush of damage to invite disaster. And yes, I'm prone to that sort of thing. I don't know what I'll do if my group demands I contribute to the DPS meters.

If demanding Healer DPS becomes a norm, then I would gladly welcome the solution OP proposes. I don't play Healer to DPS. I play it to heal. It's one of *the* reasons I play MMOs to begin with. I hate when I hear MMOs are trying to 'break' the Tank/Healer/DPS triad, because it sounds like just making all claases DPS of some sort, and more distressingly, eliminating the pure Healer role I love so much. It'll be a sad day for me if/when those disappear.

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Healer DPS is not the norm, it is there to be done by those with the skill to do so. Just because some can, some cant and some wont, it doesnt mean the ability has to be removed to placate those who cant/wont. Healer DPS is "the norm" for those who have the skill to do so. OP, like many other people, is blaming the lack of certain peoples skill on an ability. If you dont raid, then healer dps should not be that much of an issue. If you do raid seriously as a healer and refuse to dps to push phases, then the issue is the lack of skill on said raid healer.

Alisa180, that's the primary reason why I stopped playing DCOnline. From what I could see there was little to no direct heals, most were "use this skill to do damage and it will heal the party member with the lowest health" or "use this skill and it will heal everyone based on the amount of damage the skill does to target". That isn't to say a Healer that can DPS isn't possible. I miss City of Heroes, they had an interesting way of mixing Heal and DPS in a rather functional way. You still couldn't go all out or even hope to keep up with a Striker, or even a Tank as a Defender (Healer), but your damage wasn't made to be DPS as much as give buffs/debuffs to help out the rest of the group.

I miss my Empath/Radiation.

Imma put my two cents on the matter.

I like healing as my scholar because it's fun. I'll heal if it's needed and dps when I can. Why? Because I find it boring to stand around waiting to heal someone. Do I demand that of others? No, why would I? It's their chose to dps and heal. Some can, some can't and others won't. That is how play-styles work. So, don't force healers who won't stance dance when they are just healing. That's what two dps' are for. More dps is nice, but I'd rather have a smooth run.

As a Scholar, I DO NOT Stance Dance, but when I see a chance to throw a ruin 2 or a few DoTs, the Sole Reason I dont Stance Dance is that I don't feel confortable with the cooldown of the Cleric Stance, if someone tells me to stance dance, I will say no, but you can bet that I will be healing everyone I can, and DPS whenever I can.

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So what is it then? Are Healers with CS overpowered, or did SE (see the first post again) never intend for the healers to contribute to party DPS? It can't be both..

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It falls flat when you try to be snarky; mostly because you think you have a point, but don't. CS was deemed to be overpowered specifically in PvP because it made multiple-healer Holy train parties and such a thing. PvP and PvE are two very different animals with different objectives and party comps.

Quick points:

- You really claim that >90% of DF parties are so bad as to make healer DPS unviable? Not in my experience.

- All of these healers who supposedly are berated in DF parties for their lack of contribution: perhaps some of them are the problem if this happens to them often.

- The message you say you are trying to get across is not the one that you actually express.

- More sweeping generalizations: healers being bad because some mean person made them DPS when they didn't want to? I have difficulty believing that this is a widespread problem. When I encounter healers being bad it's usually because of them doing too little and/or attempting to play reactively. Healers who attempt to DPS and aren't doing it right just need to learn how to play well in general.

- Also, choosing not to factor in at-level healer DPS when establishing clear minimums does not mean anywhere close to what you are saying it does. Read it carefully. The devs avoid designing minimums with healer DPS in mind because the skill ceiling for that is higher than minimum performance expectation for player parties and would increase difficulty across the board (IOW only good healers stance-dance effectively, and clear minimums are designed to be accessible to more average at-level parties).

It's a bit...odd to see that WHMs will get some sort of power boost in 3.0, but yet Holy in 2.0 was nerfed in power.

If anything they should make it easier for healers to DPS by decreasing the cooldown timer on Cleric Stance - maybe they could replace Conjurer's protect trait with a trait that does this since they're moving the shell effect to the basic protect spell.

I didn't read this whole thread but I've been a WHM for a few months and always CS to keep myself busy, but I have never once ever had someone tell me to DPS or to stop DPSing. All I do is DF as well as I love raids and other instances, so if anyone is a healer and is constantly having people tell them to DPS or to not, then I think you're doing something wrong. If they removed CS then I'd prob stop playing all together. To me that's the huge benefit of WHM. Even when playing solo, on CS we're pretty powerful. I'd be fine with ONLY healing, if an instance warranted it, but the reality is that there's always times where you just don't need to heal.

think ppl are jumping the gun a bit too much, think his comment was at their design strategy not taking healer dps into account for hardest content, resulting in potentially faster clears than they were expecting. (for example so and so boss was "expected" to take so and so dps that would require a decent chunk of current best gear but healer dps skewed that) So he did hint fairly strongly at taking healer dps into account from now on when in regards to things of the scale of savage, which wont affect the majority of the players that clears content once they have mostly current token gear and did follow the intended design aspect of get gear from previous boss move on to clear next.

im a casual in every sense of the word though so would like to hear from a more accomplished raider how this reads to them, i would assume it to be a good thing since it raises the skill-cap across the board.

guess i kinda skipped the point XD I think removing cleric stance-dancing would in some cases severely punish individuals play-style and the "changes" yoshi has hinted at affect nothing to a degree outside of the hardest content that would completely invalidate just "healing" up to said content, and come echo buffs you too can "just heal" by then.

Wow. 15 pages in a day? That has to be some kind of Healer Forum record lol

My point of view on this? I don't know if I exactly like that healers will have to DPS in Heavenward, but I would dislike it even more if I wasn't given the option to if they disabled CS in combat.

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Why is it always all or nothing with you? Either you can't DPS because the team is too horrible, or you only DPS and let your team die. How come there is never an in-between? Why can't you grasp the idea that people can do both?

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It's a bit...odd to see that WHMs will get some sort of power boost in 3.0, but yet Holy in 2.0 was nerfed in power.

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Holy is one skill. Giving us more offensive abilities and greater power because of it is a different design goal than increasing the potency of Holy.

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Wow. 15 pages in a day? That has to be some kind of Healer Forum record lol.

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Wait, seriously? *Double checks* ... whoa...

Anyway, while I don't see Healer DPS being required in Heavensward, I know I'd be mad if they made CS unable to be used during battle, especially since I got used to stance dancing as a healer. (Even more so than stance dancing as a Tank, and I Tank FAR more often)

I mean, I can see why they took that route with that AST skill and all, but on CS too? No thanks.

I Don't mind DPSing as a healer. I just HATE cleric stance.

If they can't rework this ability. Can you at least let us toggle off cleric stance when its on cooldown, or they could just put a cooldown on when you remove this instead of when you use it. To prevent double clicking it back on. Finally like other have previously suggested they can just remove its cooldown instead.

Since healer dps is now mandatory in hard mode raids. They should make doing it less clunky , this is a game after all the primary goal should be fun...

In other mmos , Healers are expected to contribute dps. Though they aren't forced to use something as clunky as cleric stance to do this dps. Normally their Damage spells get boosted by the same stat that boosts their Healing output. Its good gameplay to weave in dps spells while healing. So theres no "downtime".

If they can remove cleric stance, they can just add a trait for each Healer. Which makes their damage spells scale of their mind stat.
They could even turn cleric stance into a temporary buff that removes acc requirements for x seconds.

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If they can remove cleric stance just add a trait for each Healer. Which makes their damage spells scale of their mind stat.

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This is exactly what they shouldn't do. The entire point of the Cleric Stance buff is so that it's a trade off. The cooldown is there to prevent you from just flicking it on and off all the time without second thought. It requires foresight to use in hectic situations, and is also NOT required on ANY CONTENT unless you are one of the server first folks pushing raids/etc in the base gear level for a zone and such.

By simply allowing healers to automatically use their damage spells will take away the trade off and make them all around too powerful. You'll be coming across healers that are neigh unkillable in a lot of content, even moreso than they already are. (As you see in these other MMOs) Cleric stance works perfectly fine as it is, just don't use it if you don't want to use it. The "expected dps" from healers in server first content is really just with them, and I promise you none of them would ever be in this thread complaining about it, because they manage the mechanic just fine.

And as to your cooldown reversal, I'd imagine the reason the cooldown when you put it on is to prevent you from easily removing it instantly to switch back to a fully powered heal because you used it during something you shouldn't, and (again) that trade off is there for a reason: Foresight. So they don't want you instantly clicking it off and tossing out a normal heal after you've chosen to go into Cleric stance (barring right clicking the buff itself of course). Just don't double click it.

And for all these healers saying they're getting flak in the DF for not dpsing... I don't see it. I've had plenty of healers when I tank or dps just stand around and heal. No one says a word. When I'm on my scholar, I'm always stance dancing and dps/healing. Not one word either way. But when I play my WHM, I tend to just chill out healing and rarely dps. I have yet to find someone complaining that I'm not doing my job/dpsing/whatever.

In any content.

Ever.

I'm with Cynfael: If all these healers are running into groups yelling at them for something or other -all- the time, perhaps they are the problem. Either every group they have is bad, or they're the constant bad thing in the group. One is far more likely than the other.

TL:DR Cleric stance is fine. Don't use it if you don't want to use it. Because frankly, if you're complaining about it you aren't in the top percentage of players that will be doing server first content that the Dev team has said they are factoring healer dps into.

Really the game is designed around 0.05% of players? Probably even less then that?

Cleric stance is easy to use (especially because fights are so scripted) but just very clunky.They should fix the clunkiness.
It is more clunky for Whm and probably AST then it is for SCH. Its not hard to use cleric stance stop being elitist about it.

Healer DPS is now mandatory ,when it previously wasn't.
Previously instead of healers CHOOSING to throw out a "bonus" amount of extra DPS in exchange for dealing with CS clunkiness, Healer now must do extra dps in Hard mode raids.

It's not that it's hard to use, it's that it's balanced as a trade off. You can't heal nearly as well in Cleric stance, with the exception of a few abilities that would otherwise be used to heal up quickly. This means that healers must know when they need to heal and when they don't need to in order to do damage properly. If damage spells were scaled off of mind, it would mean that healers would never have to learn when not to be in cleric stance, as well as being very difficult to balance because of high healing output existing at the same time as high damage output. This is also why there is a cooldown upon application, so that you are punished if you decide it's time to start attacking at a time you're not able to.

Cleric Stance reminds me of Defiance on WAR. If you choose to go into it, you've gotta be sure that you can go at least 5s (2 GCDs) without casting a heal. I can understand wanting to be able to freely go in and out of it, but 5s isn't that long and it at least makes you more aware of when it's safe to use it and when it's not (can't just go in and out every GCD).

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Feel like you're misusing "clunky" or something. If you recognize that you can go 2 GCDs without healing, turn on CS. Cast 2+ DPS spells, turn it off, go back to healing whatever damage needs healing (which doesn't put CS on CD, bare in mind). I dunno what's clunky about that tbh.

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Wow. 15 pages in a day? That has to be some kind of Healer Forum record lol

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It was actually more until a whole bunch of posts were removed because they spent more time insulting each other rather than arguing. :p

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Cleric Stance reminds me of Defiance on WAR. If you choose to go into it, you've gotta be sure that you can go at least 5s (2 GCDs) without casting a heal. I can understand wanting to be able to freely go in and out of it, but 5s isn't that long and it at least makes you more aware of when it's safe to use it and when it's not (can't just go in and out every GCD).


Feel like you're misusing "clunky" or something. If you recognize that you can go 2 GCDs without healing, turn on CS. Cast 2+ DPS spells, turn it off, go back to healing whatever damage needs healing (which doesn't put CS on CD, bare in mind). I dunno what's clunky about that tbh.

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Occasionally it doesn't turn off when you press it after a cast. Like, the first button press doesn't register.

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Really the game is designed around 0.05% of players? Probably even less then that?

Cleric stance is easy to use (especially because fights are so scripted) but just very clunky.They should fix the clunkiness.
It is more clunky for Whm and probably AST then it is for SCH. Its not hard to use cleric stance stop being elitist about it.

Healer DPS is now mandatory ,when it previously wasn't.
Previously instead of healers CHOOSING to throw out a "bonus" amount of extra DPS in exchange for dealing with CS clunkiness, Healer now must do extra dps in Hard mode raids.

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Yes, mandatory use of it is indeed around those players. From the first posts quote "This is also one of the reasons we decided to implement both a normal and savage version of Alexander. Once again, healer DPS was not included in the development team's calculation as it was for other jobs, so you should just think of healer DPS as a last way to get your overall party's DPS up to where it needs to be. "

Last way. LAST WAY. That flat out implies that it's still a choice. Yoshi has flat out stated that it's factored in for those people doing savage and the like world firsts. If you aren't doing a world first and don't like it, don't use it.

And as to your later post that it doesn't shut off... that really bites. Because I don't have that happen. You -may- have some minor input lag, and I can totally understand that being a bloody pain :(

It happens to sprint/swiftcast as well , occasionally first press wont register. Maybe its because i am EU although my ms is only 100.

So you can see why i think current cleric stance is clunky...

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Last way. LAST WAY. That flat out implies that it's still a choice. Yoshi has flat out stated that it's factored in for those people doing savage and the like world firsts. If you aren't doing a world first and don't like it, don't use it.

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You dont need extra dps if you outgear content? How surprising.

You don't -need- extra -healer- dps if your not trying to do stuff on day one/base gear level/on the learning curve (This isn't hard to understand). You're right, it's not surprising. This same exact conversation about dps could be had about optimizing tanks to do more dps rather than take less damage for the perfect push. Is it handy to have? Yes. Is it needed? No.

And as sad as it is, input lag isn't something they should change mechanics for. I'm sorry it's clunky to you, but it works just fine for many others. Same with sprint and swiftcast. It sucks, but it's hardly the skills fault.

DPS sometimes lose to the DPS check even before Heavenwards so Healers probably need to DPS more regardless in Heavensward.

I don't think savage mode heavensward will be as cheap as it was now. Especially since very few do savage mode
IMO it seems like hard mode alex will be easier to clear then normal coil was.