Why Not Remodel the Summons?

If they were to change them I'd rather they just do to Garuda-Egi and Ifrit-Egi what they did to Titan-Egi in Titan EX. I've never particularly cared about the aesthetics of the Egi, I think they're fine as is, but even I'll admit Granite Gaolers look far better than Titan-Egi. Giving Summoner Egis that look like that would be fairly simple and look great.

If they were really to change anything about Summoner though, I'd rather it be to address the fact that the Job doesn't do a great deal of actual summoning, rather than complaining about the aesthetics of what it summons... If you want to summon a full sized Ifrit, complain about how Free Company Primal Summoning has routinely been something pushed they've back and seem to have no actual desire to implement. I'd rather my Summoner actually do some summoning more than once per instance (twice if I die, or the planets align and somehow my Egi does). If Machinist actually regularly switches up the pets it gets (we've seen at least two, right?) I'm going to flip out...

There's nothing high-res about the fairy texture if you look them up close; they just have this glow that hides it very well. I'm not sure if this game has any textures that go over 512x512.

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Originally Posted by Waliel

There's nothing high-res about the fairy texture if you look them up close; they just have this glow that hides it very well. I'm not sure if this game has any textures that go over 512x512.

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Yeah well texture quality overall is just bad but as Dx11 changes show, we will have to learn to live with it. :D
Every time I log in to FFXIV after playing AA I get slapped immediately by the texture resolution. :D

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

Yeah well texture quality overall is just bad but as Dx11 changes show, we will have to learn to live with it. :D
Every time I log in to FFXIV after playing AA I get slapped immediately by the texture resolution. :D

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No kidding, this game is almost unbearable to play. How can they call themselves professional with such shitty graphics. I think I'm just going to go back to WoW, I can't handle such lazy programming. C'mon SE, get it together. Your game could have been great but now its just murder on the eyes! O.M.G!

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

No kidding, this game is almost unbearable to play. How can they call themselves professional with such shitty graphics. I think I'm just going to go back to WoW, I can't handle such lazy programming. C'mon SE, get it together. Your game could have been great but now its just murder on the eyes! O.M.G!

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And yet your going back to wow o.O?

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Sry... was just too funny ;P

Edit: Please tell me that was sarcasm btw. If so I profusely apologize dearest forum goer (^_~)v

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

they call themselves professional with such shitty graphics. I think I'm just going to go back to WoW, I can't handle such lazy programming.

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troll much?

Garuda en Titan are just REALLY ugly and poor desing, even the ilv95 primal weapons have better effects compare to this egis, they are unicolor and not texturize at all

Ifrit is Ok tho.

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Originally Posted by Khaoticsuccubus

And yet your going back to wow o.O?

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Sry... was just too funny ;P

Edit: Please tell me that was sarcasm btw. If so I profusely apologize dearest forum goer (^_~)v

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Yes, it is sarcasm. Born out of my frustration to the overreaction of the "terrible textures! OMGZ!!!!"

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Originally Posted by BlaiseArath

Really..? cause threads like that are riddled all over these forums lol.

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Yup..really lol. There was one that was really good they sized things up and really went into such detail it blew my mind that either that person does that for a job or...doesn't have a job and a lot of time. Either way it was a while ago and they did amazing work. I sure hope S.E bookmarked that.

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Originally Posted by Khaoticsuccubus

I kinda wonder what they plan to change about summoner in HW...

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That's what I'm wondering how they'll add new pets but make them something that's useful. I guess we will see. There is a reworking going on so I guess we will have to see.

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Originally Posted by Aryalandi

"Most Summoners" mostly want the actual kinks in the job worked out, yes alot of people want prettier summons but shouldn't function come before looks?

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Exactly, don't get me wrong the suggestions to make the egi look better and be more visually appealing is something that is on the to-do list just..shouldn't be getting this much attention. Unless making Ifrit egi a massive evil looking pet will somehow increase his overall damage or get rid of this buff that gives him counter and puts on something more useful..reducing cooldown on my pets aerial blast.

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Originally Posted by Lorielle

So...Why do we get the poor design of Egi today if it can be easily represented with what everyone is asking?

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That's the question, I'm surprised such poorly designed content exist in FFXIV lol

I'd rather like Ifrit.... and Titan to an extent...

But Garuda needs a face. And those buttocks.

That's all.

Continue on arguing about texture size and things I don't understand.

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Originally Posted by elemental10

I'd rather like Ifrit.... and Titan to an extent...

But Garuda needs a face. And those buttocks.

That's all.

Continue on arguing about texture size and things I don't understand.

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Yes, It took me a while to find Garuda's face in the beginning lol

I'd love to see a quest line where you unlock more of the primal's power, giving you a bigger, more accurate looking Egi. Since SE said that they'll look into Egi glamors since they can't seem to make new egis w/o breaking the system or something, we'll see some redesigned egis as glamors.

Well Ifrit-Egi appears to be getting a size boost, if the Benchmark (and that one image that makes Ifrit appear to be as tall as an Elezen. It was an image of a new dungeon mini-boss) is anything to go by.

As long as we're on the topic of remodeling summons... I always thought it would be cool to rework the summoner to something more like Kaze from FFU. Make the lore like summoners wanted to obtain greater power from primals and thru steampunk tech or "Magitek" technology, they were able to make mechanical steampunk versions of the primal and summon them through guns like Kaze.

Make Garuda like the one in this image:
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/p...jpg?1413531345

I really hate the Egi's. Roll their skills into the base class, bump up our damage to compensate for lost DPS and rename Summoner to Sapper. I'll feel happier that way. But in all honesty, I think it's really quite silly to spend resources on an impressive looking summon if they remain as useless as our current ones are.

If our damage wasn't split between Pet and Master, I doubt anyone would even bother summoning them.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

I really hate the Egi's. Roll their skills into the base class, bump up our damage to compensate for lost DPS and rename Summoner to Sapper. I'll feel happier that way. But in all honesty, I think it's really quite silly to spend resources on an impressive looking summon if they remain as useless as our current ones are.

If our damage wasn't split between Pet and Master, I doubt anyone would even bother summoning them.

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No summoner would agree that the summons are useless. Heck, you don't even agree with yourself that they are useless, since you ask to have their abilities rolled into the base class! Why would we want useless abilities on our base class?

SMN have their reasons in being disappointed with their Egis, but lack of utility is not one of those arguments.

As for damage split, that's pretty much going to happen when you have a pet job, regardless of whether it's Summoner, Beastmaster, or whatever. If the master does full DPS damage and the pet does any damage at all, then that job is overpowered. That's simple math. 1 + X > 1, if X > 0. If you don't like that fact - well, then, pet jobs aren't for you. There's plenty of other jobs to choose from.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Yes, it is sarcasm. Born out of my frustration to the overreaction of the "terrible textures! OMGZ!!!!"

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Poe's Law is a burden we all have to bear... There's a fair shot that the person I just responded to above was another example. Was it real? Or was it troll? Who knows???

You don't like your glowing robot chicken nugget man and great fire demon pets?

I think the real reason is PS3 limitation to be honest. It can barely show one primal during a primal fight. Imagine it trying to show 4-8 of them during a FATE?

Lore reasons are not viable anymore. Anyone who has done the main story would realize that. Basically the primals aren't even the real primals, but aethyric figments of them. There's no reason a summoner couldn't use that to make a better representation of the primal (aka looks cooler). They are masters of the Aetherflow after all.

But.. we won't see it till the PS3 version ceases support. So all those PS3 players, encourage them to upgrade. When they all do, that's when we get the cool stuff.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

I think the real reason is PS3 limitation to be honest. It can barely show one primal during a primal fight. Imagine it trying to show 4-8 of them during a FATE?

Lore reasons are not viable anymore. Anyone who has done the main story would realize that. Basically the primals aren't even the real primals, but aethyric figments of them. There's no reason a summoner couldn't use that to make a better representation of the primal (aka looks cooler). They are masters of the Aetherflow after all.

But.. we won't see it till the PS3 version ceases support. So all those PS3 players, encourage them to upgrade. When they all do, that's when we get the cool stuff.

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My favorite "Lore" defense was when people would talk about how it took a Beast Tribe High Priest Grand Maester Uber-Summoner to summon a Primal through some complex ritual and we should be happy that we can summon our Egi after going through the quests, and then Gilgamesh summons Enkidu just by saying "I miss my bro" next to a crate of crystals. Really makes me feel like all the time I spent mastering my craft was worth it.

Nah, the real reason is cuz SMNs are trying to build a primal using nothing but a geometry textbook. It's no wonder they look a bit off!

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

I appreciate how the egis look. They are abstract representations of the original primals and of the element those primals embody - exactly the kind of thing you'd expect when trying to construct a pseudo-primal using a geometry textbook.



Ew, ketchup on chicken nuggets? Honey or BBQ, plzkthx.

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Sweet 'N' Sour love... Sweet 'N' Sour...

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Well Ifrit-Egi appears to be getting a size boost, if the Benchmark (and that one image that makes Ifrit appear to be as tall as an Elezen. It was an image of a new dungeon mini-boss) is anything to go by.

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Did this happen yet?

Regardless of the lore, the real reason the summons are not like ffxi (sadly) was because the servers couldn't handle countless players with summons running around a field together, which I understand given how detailed they are.

HOWEVER this isn't 2.0 anymore, when everyone and their mother was an ast. Even if they changed the looks the increase in smn players would be fairly small. I'd think it's reasonable to change them now with some lore excuse which is easy enough to generate.

Although it would be awesome if they were close as the originals as possible (and still fairly unrealistic in terms of the games tech), they can be ALOT more detailed then they are now.

A heads up for further discussions: This thread is at least six months old.

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Originally Posted by Keramory

Regardless of the lore, the real reason the summons are not like ffxi (sadly) was because the servers couldn't handle countless players with summons running around a field together, which I understand given how detailed they are.

HOWEVER this isn't 2.0 anymore, when everyone and their mother was an ast. Even if they changed the looks the increase in smn players would be fairly small. I'd think it's reasonable to change them now with some lore excuse which is easy enough to generate.

Although it would be awesome if they were close as the originals as possible (and still fairly unrealistic in terms of the games tech), they can be ALOT more detailed then they are now.

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It was never a server issue, it was a engine issue and how they render the 3D models...

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

It was never a server issue, it was a engine issue and how they render the 3D models...

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Really the same difference. If the engine is giving difficulties it will be the server being the one who is stressed. Even with the engine being "fixed" I highly doubt the servers could keep up with the given limitations.

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

It was never a server issue, it was a engine issue and how they render the 3D models...

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Just look how Revenant's Toll and Idyllshire are with mounts.

That said, the new Sephirot trial summons egi of himself, so we can see they're still capable of making models.

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Originally Posted by Keramory

Really the same difference. If the engine is giving difficulties it will be the server being the one who is stressed. Even with the engine being "fixed" I highly doubt the servers could keep up with the given limitations.

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One abbreviation: PS3. PS3 can't handle a ton of models on the screen, and having a full sized summon may take up the same amount of data as another player character, hence the reduced size and graphics.

Egis NEED to be redesigned, I am so tired of seeing Garuda egis (since it's the mose useful egis, and the uglier), and they should give Contagion to each egi, so we could use the egi we like the most based only on design.
If Ifrit egi had also contagion, I would never have summoned Garuda egi...
And we also need more egis, like Shiva's. Just give them Contagion and everyone will be happy.
Or just give Contagion to summoners.

The devs have said, for, around 5 years now, that they don't want the pets to have more presence than the summoner and to reduce cpu/gpu load, if you guys can't understand that after so many years I'm sorry.

The people who create the game have a better understanding of coding and performance than many of you.

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Originally Posted by Adventica6

The devs have said, for, around 5 years now, that they don't want the pets to have more presence than the summoner and to reduce cpu/gpu load, if you guys can't understand that after so many years I'm sorry.

The people who create the game have a better understanding of coding and performance than many of you.

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However, they have taunted us with (empty) promise of summon glamours months back. Whether we actually see it or not is an entirely different matter, but there was dev talk of doing something about the summon's looks.

For those who are picky about sources

"However, I’m sure many are wondering if they will have to continue looking at the same egi forever, but we are planning to add a system in the future that will allow you to change the appearance of your egis, including Carbuncle, but their stats will remain the same."

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Originally Posted by Kadrothan

However, they have taunted us with (empty) promise of summon glamours months back. Whether we actually see it or not is an entirely different matter, but there was dev talk of doing something about the summon's looks.

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"We are planning to add a system in the future." For some odd reason that seems to have been misunderstood by a lot of players. I see some people basically interpreting it as "They said they'd do it and they haven't done it yet so we should cry nonstop on the forums that they're never going to implement it because they don't update us on its status every two days." Not being given an update doesn't mean they've forgotten it or that the promise was empty. It just means they haven't found time to fit it into the development schedule yet. I mean, it affects the cosmetic appearance of one character class. It's not exactly the highest priority.

Instead of EGI"s why not turn the Summoner into a Invoker and make them fuse with their summons. So Instead of summoning a EGI, they absorb the aether and become some kind hybrid being?

Yes I forgot, the "egi glamor system" never came to be, and I don't expect it either. I think we may receive a new egi in the next expansion 4.0 but as for a remake of the models, as I explained earlier, it's not going to happen. I myself as a smn would like to see more pronounced models but they are the way they are as a design decision.

Don't give up hope tho, a new primal is on it's way for the smn down the road, think ramuh or insert __ Wish ___.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Instead of EGI"s why not turn the Summoner into a Invoker and make them fuse with their summons. So Instead of summoning a EGI, they absorb the aether and become some kind hybrid being?

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Dreadwyrm trance?

Personally I think summoners should be able to quickly summon their.. summons, and have it so that each summon has more interesting mechanics than just "melee pet" "range pet" and "tanky pet." That way we could see more primals being turned into egis (I mean the Ramuh egi is already made!) and not sitting in some kind of we've-filled-all-the-pet-roles-already limbo.

Squee just needs to continue the theme.

Defeat Primal. Be able to Summon Primal's Egi.

So, model us up Leviathan, Ramuh, Shiva... They don't have to be supremely-detailed models. They don't need to have terribly unique tricks, or tremendous damage buffs. They just need to give us something else to look at; and something more personalized to work with.

I want to Shiva. FFVII was my first FF title and I've always been fond of Shiva, since the first time I summoned the pretty blue ice lady, so many moons ago.

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Originally Posted by Roda

Personally I think summoners should be able to quickly summon their.. summons, and have it so that each summon has more interesting mechanics than just "melee pet" "range pet" and "tanky pet." That way we could see more primals being turned into egis (I mean the Ramuh egi is already made!) and not sitting in some kind of we've-filled-all-the-pet-roles-already limbo.

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Part of why Ramuh exists is because SMN was supposed to have a 4th egi that was different in mechanics from the other egis. But in the long run, they decided it would make SMN too strong. They intentionally left SMN with a ranged, melee, and tank pet. Unless they give every other class a new feature that they deem the same improvement as a 4th egi, I doubt it will happen. Though personally I hope they do because all of our jobs could use a new, additional, mechanic.

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Originally Posted by Aryalandi

Only....,

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I so agree with this comment or like what everyone else said for them to just look like a child version of the adult self.

Teen Titans yo girl he rescue (cough cough) I mean Teen Egi. If you think about the Law we are protected by the light of the crystal this is why we don\\'t get effected when a primal is summoned.

Also I understand it takes a lot of Aether to summon a primal. So why can\\'t we have a Aether 2 treat that you gain at a higher level :

Side effects of using Aether 2 it only does it boost ur MP but at the same time it allows your summons to transform into you guessed it Teen Egi primals now the change would last for a short period of time and once the timer runs out you have to wait some time before you can use it again. This spell would also allow us to summon all ur Teen Egi's but the longer they are all out the quicker ur mp drains.