Please do NOT alter Dark Knight AF for female characters.

Heavy armor is never optimal for female characters because of many reasons. Those reasons are such that heavy armor on a female body is oftentimes too heavy for them, there is a need for airflow, they have more curves so you need to accommodate.

I'm fine with whatever but if all they add is bland non-gender looks for gear I'll be disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Heavy armor is never optimal for female characters because of many reasons. Those reasons are such that heavy armor on a female body is oftentimes too heavy for them, there is a need for airflow, they have more curves so you need to accommodate.

I'm fine with whatever but if all they add is bland non-gender looks for gear I'll be disappointed.

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Men need airflow just as much as women do, I'm sure.
And even so, I'm not sure having a gaping hole to the soft underbelly is very practical. I'm fine with dimorphism of certain gear, but there's a point where it just becomes silly.

I agree with this too! leave it just the way it is for females!

just to play devil's advocate here and ask a question.

Besides the Dragoon AF and the robe from ST, are there any armor other armor sets that change noticeably for male and female?

Because I can only think of the two and people talk as if every set is a bikini when put on a female character.

Completely agree with this. Especially for a tank class, we don't need exposure of our sexy parts!

I agree! Obviously it would need a bit more chest details, but no cleavage please. Just make it badass :3


P.S.: It'll look awesome on lalas.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Heavy armor is never optimal for female characters because of many reasons. Those reasons are such that heavy armor on a female body is oftentimes too heavy for them, there is a need for airflow, they have more curves so you need to accommodate.

I'm fine with whatever but if all they add is bland non-gender looks for gear I'll be disappointed.

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Real female armor would not look significantly different on males or females.. Like the popular boob curves, if you would like to live - you would not ever have that on your armor. Life > comfortability, fashion

Of course this is a Fantasy game so some people's little voice are much quieter than others. Personally I see the Dragoon belly hole as embarrassing, at least with some of the other sexy time armors they're 'sexy' for both genders. Dragoon's just looks like the females wanted the easy way out "I don't want to live like the men, goodbye cruel world!!" xD.

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Originally Posted by TheUltimate3

just to play devil's advocate here and ask a question.

Besides the Dragoon AF and the robe from ST, are there any armor other armor sets that change noticeably for male and female?

Because I can only think of the two and people talk as if every set is a bikini when put on a female character.

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There are not a lot, and I suspect it's mostly because of memory budget concerns more than anything whenever they add new armor sets. Males and females sharing the same Noct model was terrible for example. No reason for the males to have a skirt and no reason for the female armor to have 6-pack abs unless they were trying to save on their memory budget by just sharing and scaling the same model.

Difference in armour by Job:
Paladin- Tabard slightly shorter on females
Warrior- Butt cape removed to emphasize the skirt for females
Monk-Armour around the neck moved slightly
Dragoon- infamous belly opening, and less infamous collarbone holes for females
Bard- Females ditch the white shirt under the grey but keep the puffy white sleeves...for implementation of their BoMD (Boobs of Mass Distraction)
White Mage-nothing noticeable
Black Mage- Jacket slightly shorter on Females

With the exception of Dragoon SE hasn't done anything drastic to any Jobs AF.
Not to say they couldn't pull another dragoon, but the odds based on all previous classes says that it is very unlikely. I would guess that the female Dark knight will have a shorter butt cape and perhaps a slightly lengthened skirt. and since the armour seems more form fittings it may include some sort of cup for the boobs but still fully armoured.

I never even noticed the difference in the WAR AF, aside from the slightly different shape of the breastplate. I just assumed it lacked anything in the back to accommodate my tail. :p

/aggressively signs

I'm never not gonna be over the DRG af (also as always these threads manage to demonstrate incredible bouts of sexism and misinformation, a+ guys).

Practicality > Fan-Service
Please

Awesome looking armor.
Do NOT ruin it by incorporating needless skimpyness for females!

/signed with the powers of Darkness.

Although I don't think it's necessary, all the tank gear that I've seen at max level (Probably all tank exclusive gear) is well covered.

I completely agree! I like to keep covered up when giant monsters are swinging massive weapons at me! :D

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Practicality > Fan-Service
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But fan service is fun. Why else would anyone play a loldrg?

I didn't want to read through 14 pages of people's opinions so I'll just add my own.

I like the look of the concept art. I, personally, have never been keen on exposed mid-riffs in armors on females. It's just not practical.

Yes please. :) And yay for the massive support for the OP!

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Originally Posted by Taika

Yes please. :) And yay for the massive support for the OP!

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It's weird. I expected the trolls but never figured there'd be so much agreement (well, going by 'likes'). Whatever the ultimate outcome and even amidst differing opinions, I think it's fair to say that the community really does have a sense of taste and appreciation for the art aspect of the game, which is nice.

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Originally Posted by Mahri

While I'm sure the artists have long since finalized their decision since last October, feel free to bump it. :D

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Very well. 'Tis only fair. :3

In more seriousness than my thread, I agree with you in principle.

I, too do not want the midriff cut out.

Nor, for that matter, do I, as well, want any portion of my legs, hips, or cleavage bared.

Cheesecake and sexiness on both genders is definitely welcome, and occasionally very amusing, and it should not have any place in designing a female variant of DRK armor.

However, I do not want to wear male armor on my female character. I want a bust on my armor, not because of any issues with realism or immersion, but because it makes my silhouette recognizable as a female. I do not want to wear a tin can that makes my character unrecognizable from any other tin-can wearing character. I want to wear cool-looking clothing, and I don't want to be excluded from wearing that cool-looking clothing just because it does not look cool on a female character, as is the implication of those who would tell me to glamour it away if I don't appreciate it.

I do not agree with any statement that presupposes that "female" armor, simply by virtue of being armor that females are expected to wear, must be sexy or exposed or daring. I only want my female armor to be just as cool, just as iconic, and just as all-covering as the male armor, with a flair for minor differences in style. I only want to be able to see the screenshots of male and female characters side by side and not have to wonder which is which.

didnt read all of the 14 pages either but from what i saw on the pic i doubt they change it much for the female version since it looks like the demon armor in the first place and those are from male to female preety similar

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didnt read all of the 14 pages either but from what i saw on the pic i doubt they change it much for the female version since it looks like the demon armor in the first place and those are from male to female preety similar

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Now that this thread came back through absolutely zero connivings of my own totally, I'm noticing this.

The DRK AF really does look a lot like the Demon Armor of Fending. Especially with the skirt and sashes, which appear to have the same pattern.

Now that actually makes me happy, since the Demon set looks so damn cool, the DRK AFK is like an upscaled version. If the chest piece is without belly holes, everything is golden.

I actually usually like the differences between male and female sets quite a bit.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Nope, I want more feminine gears for female characters.

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Pointless holes cut out of the armour make it "feminine" ? Most women would be smart enough to keep those vital areas covered.

Signed.

It's Final Fantasy, not Final "Sexual" Fantasy.

Stop thinking with your Stardust rods :/

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Originally Posted by Orspeth

Pointless holes cut out of the armour make it "feminine" ? Most women would be smart enough to keep those vital areas covered.

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Vital areas, like your face and head, perhaps? Judging from your current avatar, that crown you're wearing is hardly adequate protection for a smart woman, hmm?

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Vital areas, like your face and head, perhaps? Judging from your current avatar, that crown you're wearing is hardly adequate protection for a smart woman, hmm?

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It can serve as a tin foil hat, which in a way offer protection. :3

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Originally Posted by CUTS3R

It can serve as a tin foil hat, which in a way offer protection. :3

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The problem with that is that tin foil hats at least cover the top of the head, meaning it serves as an effective protection against microwaves being beamed down on you by the Illuminati. The PLD Crown doesn't even offer that much. May I suggest a Pot Helm instead?

Anyway, on topic, I agree with Mahri. I would personally prefer if the armor was actually full-body, but wasn't a Tin Can like the Darklight armor. Something that my catgirl would actually look good in without having any holes in her armor that enemies could take advantage of.

I usually like it when the female armor is different then the male version. Personally I like showing off my breasts or tummy. I know some people don't but others do lol.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Nope, I want more feminine gears for female characters.

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You can still have a feminine design without it being showy. Typically, video games like to showcase women as objects of desire first and foremost. It's why you'll never see an unattractive heroine unless their appearance is somehow important to the plot. Occasionally though, they do at least get the outfits right.

There are items in FFXIV which are both feminine and modest. And not just flowery dresses either. There seems to be this illusion that a feminine outfit needs to show more skin, and that's a stereotype I'll be glad to see the end of.

I honestly believe a /visor-like option for some future armor sets would be a wonderful addition. People who like to show skin can show skin, people who want to be fully covered can be fully covered. I think it'd be well worth the development, considering it'd turn any such armor sets into essentially two different ones, glamour-wise.

I remember people complaining about the Noct Lorica being unchanged for female characters (those abs tho)

http://zam.zamimg.com/images/2/a/2a7...cec8369b89.png

Only trying to bring up the fact DRK armor has always been more complete in design through out the series.

Seriously guys come, on when you play as a FF job you want to be seen as that job not as a costumed stripper. For those of us who play as female characters you obviously have no thought of how you are represented in the game. For some people this isn't just something cute to watch from behind and /blow kiss towards the camera on those lonely nights. Their character represents them, proud female gamers being the heroines in their own stories.

The option to make your perfect skimpy doll will still be there. As i stated before i have many alts all rocking bikini armor glamours, but AF/ Tome armor gear sets should represent the jobs/roles. For those that simply must have more skin, there's always Tera online, and Blade and soul, telling some one to play another game is only half as rude as telling some one to change character genders for gear visuals imho.

Have they even revealed what it looks like for female characters? I've never even seen it yet.

Please make the female Dark Knight gear a chainmail bikini. I don't want to wear it, but the tears would be delicious.

As long as it doesn't look bad on female as Noct Lolica...I don't really mind at all.

This thread is just so ridiculous to me. "OH NO! A BARE MIDRIFF! IT'S THE END OF ALL TIMES! WOMEN ARE BEING PROPAGATED AS THINGS!"

...... oooor they're very modestly highlighting certain female characteristics that make the armor look good on the gender. And I don't mean attractive, but just "look good". Men and women have different characteristics that make them look good when it comes to clothing. Creating more pronounced shoulders in men, showing off wider chests, hiding hairy bellies etc. And women have their own facets that are amplified by their clothes. There's a reason a woman won't/doesn't look as good in the same clothes a man wears; it wasn't designed for her. (It's why your local department store has a mens and a womens section).

So when I see these threads where people are clamoring for their female character to wear EXACTLY what a man wears, I shake my head in disappointment. If you want to play as a girl and look like a dude because you think it's more respectful, then just get a male character with long hair, problem solved.

Seriously.

You're basically asking for armor that squashes every trace of femininity from the character, so why not just NOT be a female. If you want to play as a girl and actually be able to tell that you're a girl, ask for armor that's tailored for the female body.

I find it supremely lazy when the game DOESN'T change the armor a bit between the genders. Have you seen the Gerolt Tank Armor? In what universe does that look good on anyone but a male? I'm not saying it had to show off skin, but modifying it to suit the female form so she doesn't look like a trashcan with shoulders the size of boulders, manly Pecs and a 6-pack would have been nice (all very good looking aspects for a man). You can change form without sacrificing function.

I play a female character so I can look feminine AND kick ass at the same time. Not so I can imitate the male form, suppress all femininity, and still claim to have shapely hips and a pair of knockers buried away somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Coltvoyance

I play a female character so I can look feminine AND kick ass at the same time. Not so I can imitate a male while still claiming to have shapely hips a pair of knockers buried away somewhere.

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While I do completely agree with your post, I don't think female Lalafell have "shapely hips" or "knockers".

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Originally Posted by Riepah

While I do completely agree with your post, I don't think female Lalafell have "shapely hips" or "knockers".

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Biding time until Au Ra, =).

Some like to to wear showy clothes, while others like to wear more modest clothes. It’s a matter of “to each his/her own”.

Personally, i agree with Lemuria:

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

There are items in FFXIV which are both feminine and modest. And not just flowery dresses either. There seems to be this illusion that a feminine outfit needs to show more skin, and that's a stereotype I'll be glad to see the end of.

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It basically boils down to how you present yourself.

There are plenty of outfits that will make you look feminine that will make you look good, while still maintaining that modest look. For instance:

http://i.imgur.com/QqqhOSc.png
http://i.imgur.com/9xKkWRh.png

http://i.imgur.com/KdEnJFe.png
http://i.imgur.com/aYF7m2n.png

http://i.imgur.com/wPU0pjc.png
http://i.imgur.com/2ErBBLh.png
http://i.imgur.com/P3cl7g5.png

http://i.imgur.com/zKOgFLY.png