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Originally Posted by Meier

SE just needs to do like FFXI did and add longevity to content. It is absurd for it to become nearly obsolete each patch.

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Well, that what broke hunts in the first place IMO. First, all top loot is pooled into 1 activity, and a lot because of the ilvl system. Since there is not much differentiating Ramuh gear, coil gear, and hunt gear except the magic ilvl, you don't need to do one over the other. If it's ilvl 100 (or 110), who cares! Second is teleports letting players be anywhere in the world in an instant. If it took longer to move across the whole world, I think people would stay put in one or two zones rather than have the whole world on lock down.

Because of hunts, I have canceled my subscription.
Because of hunts, I know people who can't even finish Garuda EX who now have i110 gear across the board and have no idea how to play their class.

Know how when everyone talks of XI, they say the downfall started with Abyssea and how it ruined the game? People will be saying the same thing with Hunts for XIV. I'm severely disappointed XIV already has gotten the Abyssea treatment.

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Originally Posted by Deviant1

Doesn't matter why they don't want to do the old content, they just don't want it. They are choosing to do the hunts because they prefer the hunts over the other crap.

Rewards includes: Fun, gear, gil and is based on efficiency (x per hour).
Hunts give the best Myth, soldiery, seals for alexandrite & upgrades for 100 to 110 and is far more entertaining then wiping due to some idiot in a dungeon.

Not even to mention I can get into a hunt pt within 10 minutes of logging in, why on earth would I want to wait in DF for 30 minutes for something that offers less?

Crying to SE saying the content more players prefer is ruining the game because they don't want to play with you is childish.

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Pretty much this.

Honestly, the reward imbalance problem isn't with hunts, it's with everything else.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

It's painfully clear you don't care about balance but do a wonderful job showing the community the exact nature of the imbalance complaint.

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Originally Posted by Magis

what do you care if it get's balanced?

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Balance, lmao seriously? is this even a real argument? Do you even know what balanced would look like?
Let's cut the BS. This isn't about balance at all but more about 'I got my shiny in a dungeon, and they got it in hunts'. they should have done it the slow way like I did blah

If you really want 'balance' lets limit the amount of hours a week people can play. Lets make everyone the same job with the same gear, remove any and all curency from the game and make it so every single char is exactly the same.
That is what balanced means, IE when everything is equal. The truth is we dont live in a balanced world. Here in this game those with more playtime progress further, and then they make those PF with the 'Experienced only' or 2 strikes and kick crap

Hunts put everything in balance. Players with an hour or five can play and get rewards in a reasonable pace.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

The reason why they put lockouts, which was explained to Yoshida himself, is to prevent the high level gear to lose their value.

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Gonna have to call BS on this, only reason they wanted to limit the gear is to keep us paying longer. it is a competitive nature which makes us all 'chase the carrot'.
I also dont care what Yoshi has to say. he is not a god or my master. He can want whatever he wants, but its my money per month and I want what keeps me happy.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

if they add a lockout to the amount of seals you can get or a lockout on the sand/oil acquisition.

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A lot of people would be pissed, think about it for a second. If the majority of the playerbase wants hunts as they are, and you dont: Your in the minority, and on earth its majority rule.
Those who like the hunts are not telling you not to enjoy you df/pf/trial/dungeon... but you are telling them that the hunts are broken...

If SE did 'adjust' the hunts, then people would not magically flock back to you, beg for forgiveness for leaving you in queue... lol
we would simply find another mmo to keep us entertained. (And by the way, you would still have horrible queue times in game with 500 dps for every tank)

I wouldn't call people teleporting in for one kill and then teleporting out after it's dead a good example of "the game world being alive again."

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Originally Posted by Deviant1

Those who like the hunts are not telling you not to enjoy you df/pf/trial/dungeon.

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I was in a hunting party a few hours ago and while random chatting everyone in the party agreed that the process itself is boring as hell. Only because you see people doing something doesn't mean they like it. Just ask whoever did atma, BF speedruns, fate leveling in the past. Apparently the power of the carrot on the stick is too powerful sometimes.

You keep showing your utmost disgust for dungeons over and over again. These rewards you're getting from hunts, what do you think they are for if not for dungeons? They sure as hell are not for hunts themselves considering you can zerg them even naked with a pickaxe on your hand.

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Originally Posted by Deviant1

Balance, lmao seriously? is this even a real argument? Do you even know what balanced would look like?
Let's cut the BS. This isn't about balance at all but more about 'I got my shiny in a dungeon, and they got it in hunts'. they should have done it the slow way like I did blah
If you really want 'balance' lets limit the amount of hours a week people can play. Lets make everyone the same job with the same gear, remove any and all curency from the game and make it so every single char is exactly the same.
That is what balanced means, IE when everything is equal. The truth is we dont live in a balanced world. Here in this game those with more playtime progress further, and then they make those PF with the 'Experienced only' or 2 strikes and kick crap

Hunts put everything in balance. Players with an hour or five can play and get rewards in a reasonable pace.

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Uh... wut? What "shinys" are in the duty roulette dungeons? Ramuh (the patch this damn thing was built around) isn't even BIS and it's literally a dead instance on arrival. Coil is still BIS except for a few items, and hey I am using hunts to get those as oppose to T7/T8. I am not effected by the coil issue due to having a full static. However I see that OTHER PEOPLE are having issues... with PF and DR. You call me selfish? I am pointing out that this break content that I DON'T EVEN DO and would like it balanced for those other players. Yes, "BALANCED", cause 90% of players going to one piece of content is hell not balanced. Meanwhile all I see is "OMG PLZ DON'T NERF MY ONE CONTENT, SCREW YOU ALL FOR WANTING TO PLAY SOMETHING ELSE".

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Originally Posted by Deviant1

Gonna have to call BS on this, only reason they wanted to limit the gear is to keep us paying longer. it is a competitive nature which makes us all 'chase the carrot'.
I also dont care what Yoshi has to say. he is not a god or my master. He can want whatever he wants, but its my money per month and I want what keeps me happy.

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Speaking of selfish, MY, ME, WHAT MAKES MEEEE HAPPY. Yoshi can do w.e he wants, he's the producer and can shut the whole thing down if he wants. However it's a delicate nature and the devs will have to plan on what to (or not to) do. Oh yeah, no one cares that you pay money per month, we all do. You know what that get's you? The privilege to log into their servers, that's it.

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Originally Posted by Deviant1

A lot of people would be pissed, think about it for a second. If the majority of the playerbase wants hunts as they are, and you dont: Your in the minority, and on earth its majority rule.
Those who like the hunts are not telling you not to enjoy you df/pf/trial/dungeon... but you are telling them that the hunts are broken...

If SE did 'adjust' the hunts, then people would not magically flock back to you, beg for forgiveness for leaving you in queue... lol
we would simply find another mmo to keep us entertained. (And by the way, you would still have horrible queue times in game with 500 dps for every tank)

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Jesus, that's a lot of victimization here. Who's asking for you to beg for forgiveness? The game was running no problem before hunts, changing it won't do shit.

Think my brain broke reading this post.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Path of least resistance. The sad fact is people are getting raid style gear from none raid style content. In terms 2.1 days it would be like getting Coil gear from FATEs.

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A lot of people would like to do more coil, but they can't because of lockouts.

There was a guy decked out in unweathered noct gear who had never done CT before in a run I did. It was a...awkward realization what hunts were doing. It sort of sucks out the drive that people are getting stuff like this far easier than what was originally thought to be a challenge in comparison.

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Originally Posted by PurplePanther

There was a guy decked out in unweathered noct gear who had never done CT before in a run I did. It was a...awkward realization what hunts were doing. It sort of sucks out the drive that people are getting stuff like this far easier than what was originally thought to be a challenge in comparison.

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Well, yeah. Originally you had to at least beat Turn 8 to get that stuff and people who have been clearing Turn 8 since end of April/beginning of May probably don't even have that much.

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Originally Posted by Caelie

Because of hunts, I have canceled my subscription.
Because of hunts, I know people who can't even finish Garuda EX who now have i110 gear across the board and have no idea how to play their class.

Know how when everyone talks of XI, they say the downfall started with Abyssea and how it ruined the game? People will be saying the same thing with Hunts for XIV. I'm severely disappointed XIV already has gotten the Abyssea treatment.

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I have 7 people in my FC who did not quit because they added hunts. They were ready to quit because of the endless instance spam.

SE needs to balance content where everything has some BIS gear. Or people will simply go to the most effective course.

Hunts are the best way to get sands and oils outside coil2. So people spam it.

People do coil 2 because it drops BIS gear.

People do not do Garuda EX, because all it drops is vanity gear. <= There is your real problem not hunts

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Originally Posted by Deviant1

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Personally, I could less on how you geared up or what items you possess. I'm still rolling in weathered and a little CT. But I also know you don't give raid quality gear from casual content, then expect players to do challenging content like Coil or EX Trials for the same quality gear. Here in this game time doesn't equal reward. It's skill and knowledge first and foremost while gear takes a backseat. You could have an ilvl of 110 and still get killed by Twintania or Garuda EX. Happens all the time. Honestly vertical gear progression seems out of place in this game.

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Originally Posted by Caelie

Because of hunts, I have canceled my subscription.
Because of hunts, I know people who can't even finish Garuda EX who now have i110 gear across the board and have no idea how to play their class..

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Yes, that's hunts fault. Not echo, DL carries or level 100 items from vendors. Riiiiight.

Before hunts everyone knew how to play their classes. I swear.

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

Yes, that's hunts fault. Not echo, DL carries or level 100 items from vendors. Riiiiight.

Before hunts everyone knew how to play their classes. I swear.

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Isn't echo buff gear i90?

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Originally Posted by Magis

Isn't echo buff gear i90?

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Uh? Echo buffs you healing, dmg taken/deal by 5/10/25%.

Either way that's not the point. Even before hunts you got ppl who didn't know how to play their job, since everything is handled to you. Hunts didn't change much, you just get myth faster.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

People do not do Garuda EX, because all it drops is vanity gear. <= There is your real problem not hunts

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You missed the point. I am saying people can't finish EX content, even if they try, since they have no idea how to play their class. These people can be in roulettes, or anything else. They just zergrush for their final endgame gear and have no idea how to play, because they never had to. They never had to know how to properly tank/heal/DPS since they received all of their gear from hunts. You no longer need skill to have almost the best gear in the game, and that totally defeats the entire purpose of having said gear in the first place.

And these are the people I have to do endgame content with? What's worse is when you try to offer criticism on how to play their job, they tell you to mind your own business or kick you because you're a few ilevels below them.

I also want to throw in that prior to Hunts, going into ThornmarchEx, LeviEx, TitanEx and T5 was incredibly awkward for me. I wasn't even geared poorly (i92 DRG), but I didn't know the fights due to not being able to run them often given how long the Queues were anyways. Then going into one I'd die or miss an important mechanic and everyone would Vote Abandon in two wipes. Going into PF was worse because I had to still learn how to do the mechanics (you can only read/watch guides so much) and then the elitists would bitch up a storm.

I think saying Hunts ruining the game is overdramatic. Prior to them I couldn't even learn the fights because the queue times were no different and the elitists would prevent me from PF. I have an FC, but we usually didn't have enough people online at once to run the EXs back then.

What I'm really trying to say is that the situation is still hardly any better than before. The problems are different, but I've seen as many "I'm quitting" threads/notices from Hunts as I saw from issues before this patch.

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

Yes, that's hunts fault. Not echo, DL carries or level 100 items from vendors. Riiiiight.

Before hunts everyone knew how to play their classes. I swear.

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Dude, you're a dramaqueen. Stop overreaction over people's responses. Caelie, for example, didn't state that these problems are because of the hunting ALONE, but it implies that it contributes to an already existing "problem". If you love hunts, and you think they're perfectly balanced, FEAR NOT, this thread won't change that aspect of the game. I only trust the devs could see this as a future reference for the next patch.

So, we have had 5 end game item levels since launch, Ilvl70 (darklight), Ilvl80 (CT), Ilvl90 and now Ilvl100 and Ilvl110 in around a year. Although I praise SE for giving us frequent updates, perhaps the frequency of Ilvl updates has created this problem. SE is hell bent on having gear upgrades available to everyone before the next major patch, which is great for those casual or fresh 50 players. The problem is the frequency.

So lets say that 50% of the player base has cleared T9. There is a limited number of oils and sands that drop in SCOB, plus a weekly lockout, so to expect all the player base to have all the current Ilvl110 gear by 2.4 is unreasonable at best and that is for those who have or can actually clear SCOB.

The only expeditious way to get this done was by doing the hunt system or something equivalent. SE always seems to be scrambling to level the playing field so everyone can enjoy the new content. On one hand I think this is a lofty idea on the other it is a self perpetuating nightmare. If they cannot create content that can be cleared by at least 90% of the player base before the next major, Ilvl raising release, then we will always have this scenario.

They can do one of 2 things, IMO. Make end game face roll easy or slow down the gear progression. They cannot keep this pace in perpetuity without seriously degrading the game and the erosion has already begun.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

Dude, you're a dramaqueen. Stop overreaction over people's responses. Caelie, for example, didn't state that these problems are because of the hunting ALONE, but it implies that it contributes to an already existing "problem". If you love hunts, and you think they're perfectly balanced, FEAR NOT, this thread won't change that aspect of the game. I only trust the devs could see this as a future reference for the next patch.

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lol

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Originally Posted by Caelie

They never had to know how to properly tank/heal/DPS since they received all of their gear from hunts.

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Please, it's horseshit and you know it. People who don't know how to play their job were created by the whole game system that carried you to 50, echo buff, level 100 gears handled from vendors, myth ilevel 90 gears handled from vendors. Hunts didn't change shit.

This is the fanbase that though Pharos Sirius was HARD.

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Originally Posted by Jasiwel

I also want to throw in that prior to Hunts, going into ThornmarchEx, LeviEx, TitanEx and T5 was incredibly awkward for me. I wasn't even geared poorly (i92 DRG), but I didn't know the fights due to not being able to run them often given how long the Queues were anyways. Then going into one I'd die or miss an important mechanic and everyone would Vote Abandon in two wipes. Going into PF was worse because I had to still learn how to do the mechanics (you can only read/watch guides so much) and then the elitists would bitch up a storm.

I think saying Hunts ruining the game is overdramatic. Prior to them I couldn't even learn the fights because the queue times were no different and the elitists would prevent me from PF. I have an FC, but we usually didn't have enough people online at once to run the EXs back then.

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I guess the question I have to ask is how did adding Hunts fix this issue for you? I mean yea you can get i110 gear now but can you actually complete that content you mentioned now?

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Originally Posted by Kaaylryn

They can do one of 2 things, IMO. Make end game face roll easy or slow down the gear progression. They cannot keep this pace in perpetuity without seriously degrading the game and the erosion has already begun.

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It's the issue with vertical progression. Only way to progress is increase the magical ilvl. It's why a lot of people are asking for SE to go more horizontal progression and introduce better stat customization to make our jobs better rather than just doing a base stat increase every update. Heck they can begin by letting people meld their dungeon/trial/raid gear.

However due to the simplicity of the stat system as well as our jobs, I don't see any major changes happening until maybe the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

Please, it's horseshit and you know it. People who don't know how to play their job were created by the whole game system that carried you to 50, echo buff, level 100 gears handled from vendors, myth ilevel 90 gears handled from vendors. Hunts didn't change shit.

This is the fanbase that though Pharos Sirius was HARD.

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No, you're right? This was just the final nail in the coffin. For me, anyway. I'm sorry I didn't go into entire detail on every little thing. The game was easy enough as is, but now people don't even have to step into roulettes to be carried to get their gear. They can get it just by running around on the map and hitting an enemy over and over.

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Originally Posted by Magis

Yes, "BALANCED", cause 90% of players going to one piece of content is hell not balanced. Meanwhile all I see is "OMG PLZ DON'T NERF MY ONE CONTENT, SCREW YOU ALL FOR WANTING TO PLAY SOMETHING ELSE".

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Well if 90% want it that way, why should the majority have to be nerfed?
All I hear from the other side is "wahhhh!!! no one wants to play with me in the 6month old content... wahhh!"

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Originally Posted by Magis

Speaking of selfish, MY, ME, WHAT MAKES MEEEE HAPPY. Yoshi can do w.e he wants, he's the producer and can shut the whole thing down if he wants.

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People give him far more power then he actually has. Remember Tanaka? He thought he could do whatever he wanted to... and he got canned.
Well as you said yourself, 90% are doing the hunts, so its not just me.

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Originally Posted by Magis

Jesus, that's a lot of victimization here. Who's asking for you to beg for forgiveness? The game was running no problem before hunts, changing it won't do shit.

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You mean the game where people logged in one day a week and then waited until reset?
Game has had issues since the release, and most people do not like the lockouts.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

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Honestly, yes. It gives me more confidence in my ability to tackle EX battles and T5. It makes me not have to worry that my team will fail a DPS check because of me or that I'll be instakill'd by a non-instakill ability. It relaxes me more knowing I'm well-geared going into these fights and it showed completely when I finally cleared ThornmarchEx a few nights ago.

I never liked Atma farming and that was killing the game for me in a lot of ways. One day I went into ST and got a UAT. I then decided I'd postpone buying any Weathered gear for the sake of getting The Liberator. I bought up Tokens for weeks and fought Hunts whenever I could to get seals. Eventually I had enough to get 2 BMLogs and I was lucky enough for one to drop for me fighting an SRank. Ever since I have not felt like a burden on my team because I've been stuck with Zenith and that helps me focus more on Mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Edli

You keep showing your utmost disgust for dungeons over and over again. These rewards you're getting from hunts, what do you think they are for if not for dungeons?

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Your right, I hate these lame dungeons. Oh, and please tell me what dungeon I need to be 110 on? The highest dungeon is i70... You know the gear that was available at launch...

As for the gear, you know there are Trials, raids, and new dungeons when released. Most players already beat all the current dungeons, several times over. Until the dungeons have same ilevel as coil/seal bought, they will continue to be pointless other then farming seals.

Initially I thought hunts were cool and all to help obtain oils and sands for your weathered gear...

However, I can honestly say that hunts have pretty much killed any form of challenge this game offers. I haven't seen PF so open for parties looking for people to do SCOB or Ramuh Extreme where people simply do not want to join because they just want to hunt all day long 24/7. There really is no incentive to even do raids now lol.

The saddest part is that many of these players are still bad despite having all their weathered gear at i110 -_- For example, I finished running a Hullbreaker Isle dungeon earlier where the tank with most unweathered i110 gear couldn't even maintain aggro across the mobs LOL.

SE should really just remove the SCOB lockouts at this point.

Hunts are fine, its the other content that is the problem, Like.... Why isnt turn 6+ on the DF? Why is ST gear i100 with no upgrade? We had i100 in 2.2
ST should have been released before coil2
imo, Hunts are where they are ment to be, by 2.4 you should be i109/110, same with 2.2 (i100) 2.1 (i90) So my guess in 2.4 we will be working for i120.

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Originally Posted by Gucci_Charms

Initially I thought hunts were cool and all to help obtain oils and sands for your weathered gear...

However, I can honestly say that hunts have pretty much killed any form of challenge this game offers. I haven't seen PF so open for parties looking for people to do SCOB or Ramuh Extreme where people simply do not want to join because they just want to hunt all day long 24/7. There really is no incentive to even do raids now lol.

The saddest part is that many of these players are still bad despite having all their weathered gear at i110 -_-

SE should really just remove the SCOB lockouts at this point.

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Sounds like your server is dead, bro.

A lot of SCOB PF here on ragna. Not too many for Ramuh, but we do get PF for it (just farmed it again today), but it has to be expected for dated content.

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

Sounds like your server is dead, bro.

A lot of SCOB PF here on ragna. Not too many for Ramuh, but we do get PF for it (just farmed it again today), but it has to be expected for dated content.

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My server's not dead.

There are a lot of SCOB or Ramuh EX parties in PF, but no one really wants to join them since they're all too busy doing hunts lol.

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Originally Posted by Gucci_Charms

My server's not dead.

There are a lot of SCOB or Ramuh EX parties in PF, but no one really wants to join them since they're all too busy doing hunts lol.

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Or are locked out of it.

I like doing hunts but I also like doing coil. But can't do any T6 or T7 this week until next reset, no matter how much I want.

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

Sounds like your server is dead, bro.

A lot of SCOB PF here on ragna. Not too many for Ramuh, but we do get PF for it (just farmed it again today), but it has to be expected for dated content.

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How is Ramuh dated when it just came out?

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

Or are locked out of it.

I like doing hunts but I also like doing coil. But can't do any T6 or T7 this week until next reset, no matter how much I want.

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How many times a week do you prefer to raid? Instead of demanding SE to remove lockouts, which isn't going to happen, why not go the other way and ask for more raid content? I personally would like to see 4 different types in 3.0, two full party (one hardcore and one casual) and two alliance (one hardcore and one casual).

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

How many times a week do you prefer to raid? Instead of demanding SE to remove lockouts, which isn't going to happen, why not go the other way and ask for more raid content?

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I think the real problem that most people have is that you can FARM hunts far more efficiently and get all the oils and sands you want in such short time, and NO LOCKOUT whatsoever. Sure - soldiery is putting everyone at cap, but this is far more easier way to farm than doing raid with its weekly lockout. What SE should have done is adding more oils and sands into ALL level 50 farm dungeons, and remove that particular lock out from raid. You can loot gears once a week but the restriction does not apply to oils and sands drops, this way everyone can farm them via normal level 50 "farm dungeons" with lower drop rates, and raid dungeons with higher drop rates. Or just continue farming Hunts - which as it is now, gives you the best options.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

How is Ramuh dated when it just came out?

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Same problem as CT, it drops level 100 non-upgradable gears and most ppl are already full iLevel 100. It just lack of the appeal for most player. There was a thread about it just recently explaining why people didn't feel like doing it.

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How many times a week do you prefer to raid? Instead of demanding SE to remove lockouts, which isn't going to happen, why not go the other way and ask for more raid content? I personally would like to see 4 different types in 3.0, two full party (one hardcore and one casual) and two alliance (one hardcore and one casual).

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Sure, that works too, but it's not going to happen either. Removing lockouts it's far simple and more effective solution.

In terms of lockouts, they could easily increase the number to 3 for a week, since it's clear they want it limited.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

How many times a week do you prefer to raid? Instead of demanding SE to remove lockouts, which isn't going to happen,

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Why not? The reasoning behind lockout was to prevent the playerbase from gearing up with i110 quickly. Now that the hunts are out that is a moot point. The reward from hunts do not have a lockout.

totally agree with OP. PF/CF/CT/SCoB all takes much longer to fill in. if you are leveling new job, probably will have to solo those FATE. Used to be at least some people hitting FATE because of Atma/Alexandrite, but not anymore.

There are tons of ppl online but there isn't much else going besides 4~5 PF about mob hunt. sometimes you'll see 1 zone full of ppl camping for an A or S when windows is open. it make me felt like i am back to ff11 days. i am about to quit the game

Non-XI ppl screaming they are quitting because hunts are too much like XI. XI people screaming they are quitting because the hunts are not enough like XI.

Boy SE done miscalculated this one. lol

hunts are a boss fate without a marker and decent rewards. Nothing more nothing less.

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Originally Posted by Deviant1

Doesn't matter why they don't want to do the old content, they just don't want it. They are choosing to do the hunts because they prefer the hunts over the other crap.

Rewards includes: Fun, gear, gil and is based on efficiency (x per hour).
Hunts give the best Myth, soldiery, seals for alexandrite & upgrades for 100 to 110 and is far more entertaining then wiping due to some idiot in a dungeon.

Not even to mention I can get into a hunt pt within 10 minutes of logging in, why on earth would I want to wait in DF for 30 minutes for something that offers less?

Crying to SE saying the content more players prefer is ruining the game because they don't want to play with you is childish.

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Everyone with a similar mindset should cancel their account here, and zerg with everyone who plays GW2. Seriously, that game is nothing but a zergfest: PvP? Zerg. Open-world Bosses? Zerg. Best way to make money? Zerg. Best of all, it won't cost you 15 bucks a month. I just came from that game and this is the prime reason I left it after about a year of playing it ( 7 on GW1 ). It's very, very depressing knowing that in about three hours, I'll be level 50, doing the exact same thing I did there if I want keep up with everyone else ( or in my case, catch up ).

Edit: I'd also like to point out that running dungeons is pretty pointless as well in GW2, making open-world boss farm chaining the best possible route to getting whatever it is you need. The same can be said of Dynamic Events for when you want to 'spice' things up ( Dynamic Events are the same as Fates here ).

Rewards from Dynamic Events ( Fates ) and zerging open-world bosses ( Hunts ) in GW2 ruined PvE there; both dungeons, and 'difficult' content by default whether instanced or not. Be my guest, stroll over there and look at the forums. You'll find thread after thread after thread exactly like this one here, there on the GW2 forums with the only difference being GW2's is months, to years older. Think of it as a prelude to what PvE will be like here in this game, if the rewards aren't adjusted.

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

Same problem as CT, it drops level 100 non-upgradable gears and most ppl are already full iLevel 100. It just lack of the appeal for most player. There was a thread about it just recently explaining why people didn't feel like doing it.


Sure, that works too, but it's not going to happen either. Removing lockouts it's far simple and more effective solution.

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And they have not figured this out yet, ST has lock out and all items are ilvl 100 LOWER then the spamable ilvl 110 gear you get from hunts, i mean for someone who does not sleep they can easily get all slots in a 110 in a week of none stop hunting, for but for full ilvl 100 ST that will take you about 4-5 weeks, assuming you win the items. it just.... doesn't add up.