Why can't people dodge?

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Originally Posted by wicked-one

Wearing i100 Gear means nothing, because that´s the Gear sold for those Tomes you get by beating a Dungeon done in 12 Minutes ;-)

Look out for People with High Allagan Gear, or Leviathan Weapons, so they at least got past Titan EX one time... (or you aks them whom they paid for) ^^

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What was sad was one did have full High Allagan Gear.

Few reasons:

1.) Hardware

2.) Ping

3.) Prior to Titan HM you are not severely punished for not dodging, therefore dodging has not become muscle memory or a natural reflex for those who choose to ignore it during their level up process. This makes them a little clumsy at it until they put in some work.

4.) Of course then there are those Pay to Wins out there... Don't let the gear fool you and refer to point #3.

What grinds my gears are those people who get hit by AOEs in any dungeon and say "Sorry, wasn't paying attention"... Wasn't paying attention?? Seriously..? I'm not talking about getting hit by mistake, as if it was just bad timing, or one mistake.. I'm talking about it happening often by the same person. It's seriously annoying, especially as a healer, to heal bad players like that. Nobody should have to tell you to dodge AOEs, that should be automatic and already understood. So, what I do when I see that happening, especially whenever I'm playing as healer, I just let them die. I don't rez them if this is a repeat problem. Again, I can understand if it was a simple mistake, we all make mistakes, but if you're constantly "not paying attention".. well then.. I'll just "not pay attention" to your health bar. ;-)

For my friends, who are based in Singapore, it's server lag. They're still stuck on Titan Ex and I've done told and told them to use latency reducing services, like Battleping and such.

I'm based in Melbourne, Aus and if it wasn't for Battleping, I wouldn't have been able to clear Titan or tackle any of the harder instances. Tell your friends (if they're on PC) to try Battleping, WTfast or any of the latency-reducing services. Without exaggerating, it cuts down 1/3 of the latency.

I should add as well, it depends on your service provider - ours is good and we sit a reasonable distance from our exchange, so we hardly ever get any drops.

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Originally Posted by Vallug

What was sad was one did have full High Allagan Gear.

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Ouch...

But to his defense, Congestions on the Networks make it really annoying these days, I find myself often in a situation where i freeze from 10-30 seconds and then see the missing part in fast forward ^^

luckily, titan HM is not as dangerous anymore, i remember a roulette as BLM where i finished it with a 20 seconds lag and still survived, ^^

but Titan EX ... no way you get me in there until the lag issues are adressed...

PS: I do Titan HM usually in Roulette as tank, where i have really much time to watch the group (as it´s quite a boring fight for the MT)... anyone else noticed it´s always the Bards getting done by the plumes...

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Originally Posted by Kienkarajo

I was doing Titan extreme yesterday and I was getting hit by landside all the time I was so embarrassed with the party group then I noticed that my mom was watching some videos -_-

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So much this -.- and you find yourself yelling at them: WTF are you downloading!?

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Originally Posted by Vallug

What was sad was one did have full High Allagan Gear.

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Then he was having a bad day or latency issues. If you can beat anything beyond Turn 6- you can beat Titan.

So get over yourself much? Your complaining about DF groups, which kinda always suck. What the hell were you expecting?

Because people actually search more excuses than gettin faster / anticipatin better. Thats why they cant dodge. Honestly I'm playin from paris and I'm both on Exodus / Moogle (2 different data center) I have close to zero latency issue if someone isn't downloadin at home

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

Because people actually search more excuses than gettin faster / anticipatin better. Thats why they cant dodge. Honestly I'm playin from paris and I'm both on Exodus / Moogle (2 different data center) I have close to zero latency issue if someone isn't downloadin at home

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Did your G key break? lol

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Originally Posted by Sen_Terrechant

Then he was having a bad day or latency issues. If you can beat anything beyond Turn 6- you can beat Titan.

So get over yourself much? Your complaining about DF groups, which kinda always suck. What the hell were you expecting?

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I am over it..dont get nasty with me. I stick with groups who fail..we got to 50% echo the other night..did I hate how stupid some people are? Yes. Did I abuse them? No, unless they were being abusive when they were one of the sucky ones. It was more of a rant thread because of how much I had grinded it with a friend yesterday so do not speak as if I Think I am some divine gift upon the DF..I am but still.

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Originally Posted by Vallug

Been grinding titan..I know it is DF but cmon..when many of the DPS have 100 level gear I expect them to be goodish..but so many times it comes down to me being the only dps alive..and we turtle along until I kill it. Why are people so bad at dodging ;_; titan HM isnt even hard.

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A tip: whatever you may think, people usually don't miss dodges on purpose, just to annoy you.
Just get older, my kid... and you'll understand many things you find so mysterious now.
Including this "reflexes" thingy. :P

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Sick of the lag excuse. In most cases, it's not lag. It's skill. Slow reactions. Tunnel vision. Not knowing what to do.

Bomb boulders is a good example. People aren't sure what to do and follow others. BZZZ. That won't work. They're moving 1-2 seconds before you see them do. When you follow, you're 1-2 seconds too slow and will get hit. You cannot rely on others on where to move to. You have to know yourself. This isn't a lag issue. It's a skill issue.

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Obviously you don't have lag. And if you don't have it, nobody can have it, right? Or... wrong?

"Skill". Bah.

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Originally Posted by Sen_Terrechant

Did your G key break? lol

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Good one, lol.

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Originally Posted by Goodberry

A tip: whatever you may think, people usually don't miss dodges on purpose, just to annoy you.
Just get older, my kid... and you'll understand many things you find so mysterious now.
Including this "reflexes" thingy. :P

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At long last, somebody who understands the age v reflexes thing :p

Ahah! I've dodged 14 pages of thread! This is being pro! :p

And this is why I've stopped doing Trials Roulette~

Bro, do you even doge?

Was just in Titan HM for trials roulette just now. 3 loldragoons and a monk, every pull each and every one of them would die and be raised two or three times each and eventually they would all be dead so there would be no one left to dps goals. I was OT doing DPS in sword oath with my DPS accessories and yet did more dps than any of them. Eventually when we got to 3 stacks of echo we managed to clear it once again they were all dead by the end of it so, both healers and tanks had to dps the last 20%. Seems like players are getting worse and worse tbh =/

I don't know about anyone else, but since the patch I've been getting massive amounts of lag randomly. Safe to assume that maybe people are getting hit with server lag.

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Originally Posted by Goodberry

A tip: whatever you may think, people usually don't miss dodges on purpose, just to annoy you.
Just get older, my kid... and you'll understand many things you find so mysterious now.
Including this "reflexes" thingy. :P

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I'm going to be the old grandpa who still dodges Titan :p

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Originally Posted by Rosy

At long last, somebody who understands the age v reflexes thing :p

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So they're supposed to balance fights for old people now? Yoshida is 41, and can do these fights. How old are you people that can't do them, geez...

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Originally Posted by Kiokin

So they're supposed to balance fights for old people now? Yoshida is 41, and can do these fights. How old are you people that can't do them, geez...

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first question, how do you know he can ?

second, he may not have server lag, since IF he plays , he would play on a server close to him. Therefore, most probably not experiencing any of the lag issues some of us have, thus age wouldnt be such a big issue, still be one but with not added to any other issues, thus not really relevant.

What were you saying again ?

Mei

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Originally Posted by Kiokin

So they're supposed to balance fights for old people now? Yoshida is 41, and can do these fights. How old are you people that can't do them, geez...

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Balancing fights for their costumers is not an absurd request.

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Originally Posted by Kiokin

So they're supposed to balance fights for old people now? Yoshida is 41, and can do these fights. How old are you people that can't do them, geez...

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Except that when he was playing from a country known to have a high ping to the servers, he couldn't do the fights anymore...

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

first question, how do you know he can ?

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Because the fights exist. I have difficulty believing they would design something the producer couldn't do.

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Originally Posted by Moqi

Balancing fights for their costumers is not an absurd request.

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You can't balance everything for everybody, it isn't possible.

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Originally Posted by Millerna

Except that when he was playing from a country known to have a high ping to the servers, he couldn't do the fights anymore...

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I live in the Midwest and, as you can see, I play on Tonberry, a Japanese server. I have no issues with dodging anything.

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Originally Posted by Kiokin

Because the fights exist. I have difficulty believing they would design something the producer couldn't do.




You can't balance everything for everybody, it isn't possible.



I live in the Midwest and, as you can see, I play on Tonberry, a Japanese server. I have no issues with dodging anything.

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did you see him doing the WHOLE fight as in him physically or only what was said to be his fight ? I havent found it but may be locked from accessing it fomr where I live

This being said, a producer relies on his workers to set the details and make sure everything is done properly right? he gave the concept he produced it to be sold but who acutally made the game isnt him ....there are others under him...he may be giving some guidance and such but he is not the one doing it, testing it and the like...others do it for him....e.g. Beta test..(me being bad again here)

Midwest is close to Japan...(I am being bad again here) As I have said before, dont believe your reality is the only one that exists, there are many other realities that you dont even foresee until you experience them,e specially when it comes to technology.....might want to remove blinders maybe turn to be usefull in some cases

Mei

The Midwest Region of the United States of America is nowhere near Japan, what in the hell are you talking about?

Because people are bad.

again you are comparing yourself to others that you have no clues from where they play....you confirmed my point... I will say it to you again...dont believe your reality is this of others..I said * you are close to Japan*, I am the one talking to you...you took your reality as also being mine...see my point now ?

I will give you the advice I gave earlier..remove blinders you might discover that the world doesnt start and end with you

Mei

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

again you are comparing yourself to others that you have no clues from where they play....you confirmed my point... I will say it to you again...dont believe your reality is this of others..I said * you are close to Japan*, I am the one talking to you...you took your reality as also being mine...see my point now ?

I will give you the advice I gave earlier..remove blinders you might discover that the world doesnt start and end with you

Mei

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First, why are you ending your posts with "Mei," I can see your name on the side.

Second, I don't understand what you're even trying to say in your first sentence. Reality is the same for everybody. People don't live in separate instances of time. If your internet is so awful that someone playing ~6,473 miles away from the server they're playing on can play perfectly fine and you can't, then unfortunately you might have to find a new game.

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Originally Posted by Kiokin

I live in the Midwest and, as you can see, I play on Tonberry, a Japanese server. I have no issues with dodging anything.

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Yoshida himself had issues dodging when he was playing from Australia.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

Yoshida himself had issues dodging when he was playing from Australia.

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Then apparently the internet in my little podunk town must be godmode, or I can see the future.

I'm playing from Australia on Faerie a NA server and can dodge titan 99.5% of the time so people blaming lag must be using a shoelace to connect their console/PC to the internet or something.

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Originally Posted by OmniEx

The world revolves around me.

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"I don't have issues, therefore no one else should."

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Originally Posted by Alukah

"I don't have issues, therefore no one else should."

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Conversely, they're blowing their issues out of proportion to veil the fact they suck.

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Originally Posted by OmniEx

I'm playing from Australia on Faerie a NA server and can dodge titan 99.5% of the time so people blaming lag must be using a shoelace to connect their console/PC to the internet or something.

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So can I, and I don't even know the fight well. Problem is, when I inevitably do get a lagspike at an unlucky moment (right before landslide for example), there's a chance I can't dodge it anymore, and people immediately like to call you bad/noob/whatever because of that.

Yes, lag is often blamed even when it's not the cause of a death/wipe, but lag does exist. Just because you don't have it doesn't mean anything.

On top of that, people doing Titan using DF are often those haven't run it before, or only run it when absolutely needed. They won't be perfect, and you shouldn't expect them to be.

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Originally Posted by PrimeEvilPanda

For my friends, who are based in Singapore, it's server lag. They're still stuck on Titan Ex and I've done told and told them to use latency reducing services, like Battleping and such.

I'm based in Melbourne, Aus and if it wasn't for Battleping, I wouldn't have been able to clear Titan or tackle any of the harder instances. Tell your friends (if they're on PC) to try Battleping, WTfast or any of the latency-reducing services. Without exaggerating, it cuts down 1/3 of the latency.

I should add as well, it depends on your service provider - ours is good and we sit a reasonable distance from our exchange, so we hardly ever get any drops.

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This is exactly the first thing everyone should try. WTFast and Battleping have free trials, which are very very nice to see if they can help you before even paying a single cent.

If these services work for you, then it means that you have a poor route to the servers. The further away from you a server is the higher the chances the route taken to it is poor and this all really depends on your carrier's contracts to route traffic (your ISP). WTFast and Battleping change the way you connect to the destination by providing an alternate connection route which, at times, improves latency.

These services have never done anything for me and in fact many times they make it slightly worse, which implies that my route to the destination is already as good as it gets and my latency comes from somewhere else.

Finally, I keep saying it, but disable your freaking Naggle algorythm. The difference this makes is notorious.

I'm pretty sure many people that complain about their lag either have not even bothered trying to find the source of the problem or...

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Originally Posted by Kiokin

they're blowing their issues out of proportion to veil the fact they suck.

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I have asked my provider as to why I had this server lag problem, something that is not visible for me, but is for the others, their answer was that nothing wrong with them and me. Nothing wrong with it and working as intended. I tried with a WFast and various others latency programs to see if this would disappear, nothing worked, nothing changed.

It is a stated fact that some people, from what I see, more then I thought actually, have this problem, so chances are that on the mass of those that say are having issues, a good part of those are effectively having those issues.

Why is it so difficult for people to actually imagine that other things happen that they have not yet experienced ?..might be due to age...but this time to young age...

That is incredible it sounds amost as if all those that say are having issues made a cospiracy against the others to forbid them to play and annoy them on purpose. You really think we do not want to play as well and not have to face those death...you dont believe that dying 100x to finish Titan HM isnt bad enough ? so we are asking for more ? nobody is that dumb...but we want to play so we put up with it and move on..or stop doing primals from HM onwards lol

Mei

I don't know what it is about the SE fanbase, but there's a definite disconnect between reality and fantasy. In a perfect world, everyone would be 2 hops from the server and never experience any latency at all. We don't live in a perfect world and it actually IS SE's responsibility to code for REALITY. No other game has threads like this or complaints like this. Blizzard has the usual complaints about hard content, but no 15 page threads of half the people saying "there's something wrong with my ability to dodge". Not the widespread complaints of lag in dungeons. Last night when doing my usual daily routine three different people asked for others to be patient because of their "lag".


Yes, there is some degree of people struggling to complete content because of reasons other than lag, but that doesn't mean that the lag doesn't exist and shouldn't be addressed. Even XI never had complain threads that people couldn't complete content because of "lag". Hard? Oh the QQ was beautiful. Lag? I can't remember even one thread in my 10 years on alla forums where this amount of people complained of lag.

I don't understand. So you have the producer that can dodge as the god he is. Then he changes of place and is no longer able to, not so goddy in fact. So basically, the same player performs differently but sure it is the palyer's skill that changed. Can we agree that there are potentially technical problems that are out of the control, i.e. skill, of some players? Call it "lag" or "unidentified problem" if you want but out of the control of the player. Sure not all of them, those who are lucky that don't have this "unidentified problem", but some have.

And by the way, she/he signs if she/he wants to. It does not hinder your ability to understand what she/he is writing, right?

Lewena