I obviously know more about your class than you do, play how I tell you.

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Originally Posted by Erudain

White Mage: "Hey PLD, please don't overwrite my stoneskin with yours" <---- insightful advice since PLD might not know/forgot White Mage gets a passive buff. Recognizable at the moment or after a few hits on your stoneskin.

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Wasted effort you can't override a stronger ss with a weaker one

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Originally Posted by Zhi

Wasted effort you can't override a stronger ss with a weaker one

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Hmm I thought stoneskin couldn't be overridden at all, at least in ffxi it was like that, same with paralyze, some spells you have to wait til they are gone before using them.

Try it yourself, if the shield is weaker or damaged it applies a new one , if it is stronger you get no effect, if equivalent it refreshes

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Originally Posted by Spyrit

Hmm I thought stoneskin couldn't be overridden at all, at least in ffxi it was like that, same with paralyze, some spells you have to wait til they are gone before using them.

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You can override it if it's a ss of the same strength, but other people can't override a whm's ss... I noticed that firsthand as a sch when both the whm and I would be ss'ing a tank.

Some things for everyone, regardless of side, to consider:

"Advised"
- Are you irrationally concluding that anyone helping/questioning you by asking something like "do you know your rotation?" to mean "you suck"? Calm down, not everyone is out to get you.
- Is your current method of play noticeably impacting the group? e.g. group is wiping, you keep dying, things are taking twice as long to clear, etc. It might be time to suck up your pride and try to be a team player by simply listening to your groups advice or instruction.

Adviser
- Is your line of questioning/advising demeaning or stuck up? "I do <X content>, so I know what I'm talking about", "I have a lv50", or "l2p your ****ing job" is not supportive of any rational argument and simply looks like you're stroking an e-peen. Regardless of being right with the advice, no one likes to talk to snobs. It's a video game, so calm down and don't be an ***.
- Is your advice really needed? i.e. Are you just being an impatient *****? Just because a run takes a minute longer, it doesn't mean the end of the world. Just because you wipe once, it doesn't mean the game or player base is a total failure. Calm down.

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Originally Posted by Killance

I REALLY hate running into these types of players, typically raiders(not all raiders of course).

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As someone on the other side, I will never hesitate to tell a white mage to STOP using fluid aura.
Just because someone tells you how to play your class - doesn't mean they don't know how to play it. By now a lot of people have leveled up most of their classes and have experience playing most of them enough to try to give advice. If they're being rude and deconstructive, that's another story...but if someone is seeing someone completely doing bad as their class, I think offering CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is always a plus.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

As someone on the other side, I will never hesitate to tell a white mage to STOP using fluid aura.
Just because someone tells you how to play your class - doesn't mean they don't know how to play it. By now a lot of people have leveled up most of their classes and have experience playing most of them enough to try to give advice. If they're being rude and deconstructive, that's another story...but if someone is seeing someone completely doing bad as their class, I think offering CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is always a plus.

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That's a little narrow minded and unwilling to learn in itself as there are plenty of situations where Fluid Aura is very useful. And I'm not just talking about simple knockbacks in a dungeon, I'm talking about saving an entire run in Leviathan Extreme with a Fluid Aura to the add because the DPS didn't get it down quick enough.

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

because the DPS didn't get it down quick enough.

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That shouldn't be an issue in the first place. A good group wont need a WHM to fluid aura.

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Originally Posted by Elim

That shouldn't be an issue in the first place. A good group wont need a WHM to fluid aura.

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True, but not every group is a good group is it? That's like saying why have Benediction or Hallowed Ground, a Tank's HP should never be low enough for either to be needed.

To add onto my other post, I've also managed to heal through adds exploding in bad PuGs. The group wouldn't necessarily wipe without fluid aura. It's really unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by Elim

To add onto my other post, I've also managed to heal through adds exploding in bad PuGs. The group wouldn't necessarily wipe without fluid aura. It's really unnecessary.

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Well, that's your opinion, but I've been in situations where that's just flat out not the case. DPS off the side, no stuns left, when hysteria debuff hits it would be a wipe. But Fluid Aura knockback/interrupt gives the extra few seconds needed to kill it off.

I'm not saying "OMG EVERY ADD NEEDS FLUID AURA" I'm saying there are uses for all skills in this game. If you're saying there is no use at all in this game for Fluid Aura then that's just wrong. And that's not an opinion, that's a fact.

I must not have been in truly terrible PuGs then. To be honest though, I don't PuG often.

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I must not have been in truly terrible PuGs then. To be honest though, I don't PuG often.

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Fair enough. PUG Leviathan is a bit hit and miss. A group can go from a one shot attempt, to half the group taking swimming lessons next time.

This is exactly why I stopped tanking

Some people can't take a hint, ever. That's the only problem with giving polite advice.

Case in point, a SMN who had Titan Egi out for almost the entire run of Dzemael Darkhold and didn't upkeep dots properly. I was polite about it, but got ignored on pretty much every account.

Another case in point, a GLD in Halatali who was not using Flash, and using Provoke as if it generated any significant enmity, who, after being told politely how these abilities work, replied to shut the f*@k up, and that—because nobody died—he or she must be doing it alright. Blatantly disregarding that everybody else made that possible.

I have more anecdotes—many positive—but the bottom line is that that there are people who do not respond well to advice at all. They live in this bubble of perception where they think that anybody who's "rude" enough to give them "advice" is committing an offense towards their personality and hurting their pride, or something. Also, just because someone isn't on the job they're giving out advice for, doesn't mean they only have passing knowledge of it. They may be on newer jobs and sharing in-depth knowledge and experience they've built for themselves that could benefit anybody greatly.

It's one thing to say: "I enjoy the game. I play however I want." It's another to do so in a multiplayer game, where doing whatever you want might negatively impact other people's enjoyment of said game. Making it unnecessarily hard for other people playing with you is a pretty good way to ensure that they don't have fun unless you all agreed to make it extra hard on yourselves because you all enjoy that.

That said, if someone's spouting garbage "advice" which is obnoxiously wrong, it's a safe strategy to just ignore them, because if you're actually doing it right and they're giving out bad advice, more power to you.

This might be controversial but:

I'd MUCH rather hear actionable advice on what I'm doing wrong especially in EX and Coil runs when the other option seems to be just to diss the inexperienced player publicly in the party chat.

Of course it wouldn't hurt to be nice when you're doing it but whatever. I've had so many wipes where all the feedback I get is "oh you're obviously new!" when I've stated that many times in the beginning of a run and was made to MT regardless.
In some cases just "watching a video" simply is not enough. There are plenty of specific advice more advanced players can give.

tldr; Just be nice ok?