1.17 > 1.18 = 3+ months. 1.18 > 1.19 = ???

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

The problem is that regardless of everyone's personal feelings, this game has to live up to the standards of a modern MMO. It doesn't have to do that now, that's not the point. Someday it will have to. That's the point.

And that's exactly my concern. I don't care about playing the game as it is. I care about the future prospects, and the problem is that 2-3 major patches will not be enough after 1.18. It still won't be up to par.

Whatever this forum might think is irrelevant. if there is no mass appeal, the game won't be left running for you alone.

I'm not frustrated. I'm not impatient. I just want the game to be a future success. The current development speed just won't be enough.

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But who ever said that there were only going to be 2-3 major patches after 1.18? All that was said is that the team is currently working on major projects for 1.19 and 1.20 until the end of summer, but it seems obvious that this is not the end of the work. Obviously they have so much more to get done! No mention has even been eluded to in regards to Ishgard.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

The problem is that regardless of everyone's personal feelings, this game has to live up to the standards of a modern MMO. It doesn't have to do that now, that's not the point. Someday it will have to. That's the point.

And that's exactly my concern. I don't care about playing the game as it is. I care about the future prospects, and the problem is that 2-3 major patches will not be enough after 1.18. It still won't be up to par.

Whatever this forum might think is irrelevant. if there is no mass appeal, the game won't be left running for you alone.

I'm not frustrated. I'm not impatient. I just want the game to be a future success. The current development speed just won't be enough.

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I don't think you should worry while the PC version is out, I think every patch up until the PS3 version comes out is going to fixes and revisions and there may be two or three months between patches. SE is going to use the PS3 release as their saving grace. When the PS3 version is out and they're still taking their sweet time, then be worried.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

But who ever said that there were only going to be 2-3 major patches after 1.18? All that was said is that the team is currently working on major projects for 1.19 and 1.20 until the end of summer, but it seems obvious that this is not the end of the work. Obviously they have so much more to get done! No mention has even been eluded to in regards to Ishgard.

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There will be more, but the problem is the time it takes to get them out of the door... even after the pre-development time.

It makes the change in leadership completely stupid move in the long run. Instead of waiting 3 months for the next major patch in March, instead we are hit with a change in management, 5 months of low-profile development on the game... and on top of it the same 3 months of waiting for the major patch.

At this point Yoshida should be putting out patches to catch up- and hopefully surpass- Tanakas development schedule. Instead the major patches are still 3 months apart.

At this rate the November-May period was a waste of time.

They must have 1.19 and beyond ready to go much faster than it took to prepare 1.18. Otherwise we are looking at a late 2012 release schedule just because it took them so long to get started.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Yoshida mentioned accelerated schedual after 1.18...

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I want some facts.

I want the whole damn plan layed out.

The fact that we have to wait even 2 more months just for Chocobo's is fundamentally retarded in MMO's. How in the hell can someone allow this game to be alive for 11 months without putting in some transports? Furthermore, how in the hell can S.E. expect (and have the balls to ask for patients) us not be be angered by this timeline?

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

There will be more, but the problem is the time it takes to get them out of the door... even after the pre-development time.

It makes the change in leadership completely stupid move in the long run. Instead of waiting 3 months for the next major patch in March, instead we are hit with a change in management, 5 months of low-profile development on the game... and on top of it the same 3 months of waiting for the major patch.

At this point Yoshida should be putting out patches to catch up- and hopefully surpass- Tanakas development schedule. Instead the major patches are still 3 months apart.

At this rate the November-May period was a waste of time.

They must have 1.19 and beyond ready to go much faster than it took to prepare 1.18. Otherwise we are looking at a late 2012 release schedule just because it took them so long to get started.

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My previous post on page 12 (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...18-1.19/page12) explored this in more detail and speculated on why we shouldn't have to wait as long for 1.19 and 1.20 as we did for 1.18.

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Originally Posted by Grim_Lion

I want some frgin facts.

I want the whole damn plan layed out.

The fact that we have to wait even 2 more months just for Chocobo's is fundamentally retarded in MMO's. How in the hell can someone allow this game to be alive for 11 months without putting in some transports? Furthermore, how in the hell can S.E. expect (and have the balls to ask for patients) us not be be angered by this timeline?

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You have no idea how long we are going to be waiting. The fact that you think you should have all the information just excretes arrogance. And it smells bad.

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Originally Posted by Grim_Lion

I want some frgin facts.

I want the whole damn plan layed out.

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No company does this. It's getting ridiculous people want them to do what pretty much no one else ever does just because you're getting impatient. The only plans that get laid out by people who run MMOs is the next update or upcoming expansion pack.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

No company does this. It's getting ridiculous people want them to do what pretty much no one else ever does just because you're getting impatient. The only plans that get laid out by people who run MMOs is the next update or upcoming expansion pack.

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/agree

My biggest problem with threads like this is that it is a complaint based on... nothing? We have no time frame on when 1.19 is expected because we haven't even got 1.18 yet. I'm not saying that the community shouldn't complain about the game, but to complain about something that hasn't even happened yet seems a bit ridiculous.

Can't say I was expecting this type of thread from Betelgeuzah.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

/agree

My biggest problem with threads like this is that it is a complaint based on... nothing? We have no time frame on when 1.19 is expected because we haven't even got 1.18 yet. I'm not saying that the community shouldn't complain about the game, but to complain about something that hasn't even happened yet seems a bit ridiculous.

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I want to get a rep/dev comment on this. If they won't tell us before 1.18 is out, fine. As long as they're aware that it is a concern among the community. Right now is the time for Yoshida to prove himself.

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Can't say I was expecting this type of thread from Betelgeuzah.

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I only speak for myself. I hope people don't forget that when others comment on the thread.

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Originally Posted by Burn

I don't see what the problem is, Why care so much about the game right now? this is a perfect time to take a 6-9 month break, the game probably needs another 2-3 major patches before its even respectable.

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Did everyone say the same thing 6-9 months ago? I bet you will say the same thing in 6 months too =P
Personally I think they will release 1.19 a little faster than 1.18. But still we will wait at least 2 months probably.

I'm not looking forward to the insane nerd-raging that will happen once 1.18 is out.

People shouldn't get too hyped or decide to stay or quit based on it. They told us that it's only the required fundamental changes. They just added some light content to keep people busy for a bit.

1.19 and 1.20 will be the interesting patches filled with content and other new systems (Transporation, Questhubs, Beastmen Strongholds, Job system, stat calculations revisions, etc ...). Recent interviews (no, not the Russian one hehe) quoting Yoshida being proud of materia and special chocobo system lead me to believe that 1.19 isn't far as multiple dev teams were working on it, while the battle team was the most concerned with 1.18.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I'm not looking forward to the insane nerd-raging that will happen once 1.18 is out.

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You kidding? It's gonna be HILARITY!

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I'm not looking forward to the insane nerd-raging that will happen once 1.18 is out.

People shouldn't get too hyped or decide to stay or quit based on it. They told us that it's only the required fundamental changes. They just added some light content to keep people busy for a bit.

1.19 and 1.20 will be the interesting patches filled with content and other new systems (Transporation, Questhubs, Beastmen Strongholds, Job system, stat calculations revisions, etc ...). Recent interviews (no, not the Russian one hehe) quoting Yoshida being proud of materia and special chocobo system lead me to believe that 1.19 isn't far as multiple dev teams were working on it, while the battle team was the most concerned with 1.18.

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Questhubs were slated for 1.18 while beastmen Strongholds were for 1.19. With the lack of information on the questhubs though... you may be right in that they are pushed back to 1.19. Kind of hoping they will be included in an update preview this week.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

Questhubs were slated for 1.18 while beastmen Strongholds were for 1.19. With the lack of information on the questhubs though... you may be right in that they are pushed back to 1.19. Kind of hoping they will be included in an update preview this week.

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I'm going to take a stab and say tomorrow They will say something about quest hub... that was the first thing mentioned is going to be in 1.18 before they said anything about Dungeons soo....

Personally i am more worried about foundations on 1.18 being changed than actually content on later patches.
If game still sux on next patch no matter how much content they add would make the game any more "fun" for me in any way. ill keep my eye on ffxiv ,but i carried on with my life else were until mayor changes are in place.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

People shouldn't get too hyped or decide to stay or quit based on it. They told us that it's only the required fundamental changes. They just added some light content to keep people busy for a bit.

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Yeah but if it takes them 3+ months for "light content to keep people busy for a bit"...

You see where I'm coming from

Not to mention the ever foreboding and infinitely long "server adjustments"... When are those happening? Is anyone even working on it right now or is it just a future plan? Why is so much held back because of these "adjustments" we still know nothing about? And why the hell are they taking so long if they're so damn important?

1.18 -How long does it take to Remodel a standing building?
--Where I live there is a warehouse building that's being turned into 3 new stores. This is where this example is coming from.

1.19+ -How long does it take (Edit: to build and) to put new furniture in the newly remodeled building?

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Originally Posted by trinta

No worries, I knew what you meant. Anyone who has anything to negative to say that you personally disagree with shouldn't be playing the game. It's not an uncommon sentiment, I understand.

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You did it again. I personally don't care what anyone thinks but why would the dev team get excited and want to hurry up if all people do is create hundreds of threads with only negative comments? Why talk shit about everything but also want to play what they create? That just isn't logical. Most people don't even know how to install an OS onto a new hard drive, but they sit here and say how SE programs too slow. lol.......

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Originally Posted by Zangetsu

You did it again. I personally don't care what anyone thinks but why would the dev team get excited and want to hurry up if all people do is create hundreds of threads with only negative comments? Why talk shit about everything but also want to play what they create? That just isn't logical. Most people don't even know how to install an OS onto a new hard drive, but they sit here and say how SE programs too slow. lol.......

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You're not even making sense. I would actually guess that most people on this particular forum do actually know how to install an OS on a hard drive, but what does that have to do with anything?

You sound as if you think anyone who dislikes McDonald's fries should not only be barred from writing to HQ about how they really would like to see curly fries as an option, but should not even be allowed to eat at the restaurant.

Intolerance is the last thing this community needs.

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Originally Posted by Colino

Yeah but if it takes them 3+ months for "light content to keep people busy for a bit"...

You see where I'm coming from

Not to mention the ever foreboding and infinitely long "server adjustments"... When are those happening? Is anyone even working on it right now or is it just a future plan? Why is so much held back because of these "adjustments" we still know nothing about? And why the hell are they taking so long if they're so damn important?

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First of all, the 'light content' isn't the only thing that took 3+ months to get in the game.

Second of all, the problem with this thread is the community has the misguided assumption that they work load is being handled CONSECUTIVELY when in actuality it's being worked on CONCURRENTLY. What I mean by this is, the team hasn't been SOLELY working on patch 1.18. Yoshi-P has come out and flat said that he has the Devs broken up in teams. 1 Team is responsible for Dungeons and 1 team is responsible for the Ifrit Battle (Slated for 1.19) but they are working on them at the same time. So as teams free up after work is completed, they will either be allocated to other teams (I.E. the Ifrit Battle) team or formed into a new team (Working on AF gear). Everything that was on Yoshi's latest list is what they are CURRENTLY working on. This means that each item either has 1 team, or 1 team has multiple items.

Because they have been working on the list CONCURRENTLY we shouldn't be waiting 3+ months for 1.19 and 1.20.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

First of all, the 'light content' isn't the only thing that took 3+ months to get in the game.

Second of all, the problem with this thread is the community has the misguided assumption that they work load is being handled CONSECUTIVELY when in actuality it's being worked on CONCURRENTLY. What I mean by this is, the team hasn't been SOLELY working on patch 1.18. Yoshi-P has come out and flat said that he has the Devs broken up in teams. 1 Team is responsible for Dungeons and 1 team is responsible for the Ifrit Battle (Slated for 1.19) but they are working on them at the same time. So as teams free up after work is completed, they will either be allocated to other teams (I.E. the Ifrit Battle) team or formed into a new team (Working on AF gear). Everything that was on Yoshi's latest list is what they are CURRENTLY working on. This means that each item either has 1 team, or 1 team has multiple items.

Because they have been working on the list CONCURRENTLY we shouldn't be waiting 3+ months for 1.19 and 1.20.

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hard to see how the rest of the teams can work when the foundations are ever changing and not settled in yet.They should put all staf working on that and work from there.

I had something happened at work really similar to this last week.
Problem arise, you get everyone who is not in a critical position to help solving the main problem,once that is done they can carry on with regular duties.

having people working on thins for later patches at this point is a bit presumptuous , thinking of how much weight this next patch holds.

Of course they need people who have a clue of the subject at hand so perhaps getting people from other departments would be a bad idea, so if patches and fixes are taking this long is because they are, in fact understaffed.

the game is ready to make a come back now, or throw in the towel imo.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

hard to see how the rest of the teams can work when the foundations are ever changing and not settled in yet.They should put all staf working on that and work from there.

I had something happened at work really similar to this last week.
Problem arise, you get everyone who is not in a critical position to help solving the main problem,once that is done they can carry on with regular duties.

having people working on thins for later patches at this point is a bit presumptuous , thinking of how much weight this next patch holds.

Of course they need people who have a clue of the subject at hand so perhaps getting people from other departments would be a bad idea, so if patches and fixes are taking this long is because they are, in fact understaffed.

the game is ready to make a come back now, or throw in the towel imo.

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I don't know where you work, but unless you work for a video game company that is producing an ever changing MMO, the experience is not relative. Sorry. Every field is different and you don't have 1 sure-fire method that will work for every single industry across the board.

The foundation of this game is not "ever changing" as you put it, it is fluctuating now because Yoshi felt it necessary. If they did what you proposed and waited to start any new content then yes, we wouldn't be getting anything until December or beyond. I say this because Yoshi told us that it takes about 6 months (I think I am remembering that correctly) to create new content from scratch. If he had his whole team working on nothing but Battle Fixes and Class fixes, they wouldn't have started building content for us until now.

Instead, having teams that work on content all at the same time ensures that we have content that can be released on a monthly or semi-monthly basis.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

hard to see how the rest of the teams can work when the foundations are ever changing and not settled in yet.They should put all staf working on that and work from there.

I had something happened at work really similar to this last week.
Problem arise, you get everyone who is not in a critical position to help solving the main problem,once that is done they can carry on with regular duties.

having people working on thins for later patches at this point is a bit presumptuous , thinking of how much weight this next patch holds.

Of course they need people who have a clue of the subject at hand so perhaps getting people from other departments would be a bad idea, so if patches and fixes are taking this long is because they are, in fact understaffed.

the game is ready to make a come back now, or throw in the towel imo.

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They probably have an internal memo of their personal time table and direction, and cut off points.

That's what YoshiP signed on for, and he has hinted "end of summer". We'll see what comes of it at that point.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

I don't know where you work, but unless you work for a video game company that is producing an ever changing MMO, the experience is not relative. Sorry. Every field is different and you don't have 1 sure-fire method that will work for every single industry across the board.

The foundation of this game is not "ever changing" as you put it, it is fluctuating now because Yoshi felt it necessary. If they did what you proposed and waited to start any new content then yes, we wouldn't be getting anything until December or beyond. I say this because Yoshi told us that it takes about 6 months (I think I am remembering that correctly) to create new content from scratch. If he had his whole team working on nothing but Battle Fixes and Class fixes, they wouldn't have started building content for us until now.

Instead, having teams that work on content all at the same time ensures that we have content that can be released on a monthly or semi-monthly basis.

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Class system is changing , combat is changing , guild leves are changing, all the basics are changing. I didnt said ever changing , i said as of it is now they are scratching most of the basics.starting with stamina and AA.

So unless they have everything down as to what is going to be (and they dont) looking to far ahead right now is a big waste of time and resources.We will see in 3 days just how much they got done for 1.18.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

Class system is changing , combat is changing , guild leves are changing, all the basics are changing. I didnt said ever changing , i said as of it is now they are scratching most of the basics.starting with stamina and AA.

So unless they have everything down as to what is going to be (and they dont) looking to far ahead right now is a big waste of time and resources.We will see in 3 days just how much they got done for 1.18.

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You did say it actually:

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

when the foundations are ever changing

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But maybe it was a mistranslation or a language confusion, so I will drop it here.

The major thing I meant in my post is, if the Dev Team had focused ONLY on system adjustments, we wouldn't have seen content until December at the earliest.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

You did say it actually:



But maybe it was a mistranslation or a language confusion, so I will drop it here.

The major thing I meant in my post is, if the Dev Team had focused ONLY on system adjustments, we wouldn't have seen content until December at the earliest.

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I mean to say as it is now, but well you get the point.
Anyways, i could live happily with waiting with good foundations and a solid system ,the current system is crap, no guarantees the new system will be better, so working ahead in crucial moments is a bit senseless to me.

Is like worrying about the return trip when you are almost at the bottom of the sea on the way there.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

I mean to say as it is now, but well you get the point.
Anyways, i could live happily with waiting with good foundations and a solid system ,the current system is crap, no guarantees the new system will be better, so working ahead in crucial moments is a bit senseless to me.

Is like worrying about the return trip when you are almost at the bottom of the sea on the way there.

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The problem is, if people had nothing to do in the game for any longer, the game would be beyond saving. Fixing the systems alone is not enough.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

The problem is, if people had nothing to do in the game for any longer, the game would be beyond saving. Fixing the systems alone is not enough.

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Does not hurt them to loose people now that is F2P actually.Thinking otherwise is just selfish from the people who do play now (sorry if this offend anyone).The game needs more players to be actually succesfull when they DO start charging.


I in fact dont play anymore but not matter what content they add if the foundations stay the same i wont be returning.
I see what your saying , i just dont agree with it.Hopefully 1.18 at the very least fix the mayor problems with battle and such.

When i did use to play i shared your opinion , but now as a by stander i have a different opinion.They need more people and those who stoped playing to come back. I dont think 2 months worth of content is gonna make a big diference.

Is my opinion anyways.That so called "Potential" that was in fact the biggest thin in ffxiv is fading away as we speak.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

The problem is, if people had nothing to do in the game for any longer, the game would be beyond saving. Fixing the systems alone is not enough.

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With less then 25,000 active players...I would say the lost isn't really that great.

Though it's the path they choose, so it's not really the issue anymore.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

With less then 25,000 active players...I would say the lost isn't really that great.

Though it's the path they choose, so it's not really the issue anymore.

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Any loss of business is bad, regardless of how many people there are in the game.

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Originally Posted by trinta

You're not even making sense. I would actually guess that most people on this particular forum do actually know how to install an OS on a hard drive, but what does that have to do with anything?

You sound as if you think anyone who dislikes McDonald's fries should not only be barred from writing to HQ about how they really would like to see curly fries as an option, but should not even be allowed to eat at the restaurant.

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I make perfect sense. People with no technological background make remarks towards the speed of progression when they have no idea how long it really takes. I said you shouldn't post if your just going to pick apart every word I say just to boost your ego. It's common sense that positive support will be more effective than negative remarks. Having an opinion and ideas is one thing but bashing their pruduction speed because of impatience is another.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

hard to see how the rest of the teams can work when the foundations are ever changing and not settled in yet.They should put all staf working on that and work from there.

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Why can't they work on materia system and chocobo raising while battle team works on auto-attack, enmity meter, etc ...?

you people givin me a headache....oy

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

you people givin me a headache....oy

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Your signature gives me a headache! O.O

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

hard to see how the rest of the teams can work when the foundations are ever changing and not settled in yet.They should put all staf working on that and work from there.

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The point you failed to take into consideration is that they know exactly what those changes are, we don't. They can move forward with development because they know what to take into account while other teams finish up their projects.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

Your signature gives me a headache! O.O

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Dont hate me cuz Im so sexy

i dont know about the date but im really excited for 1.19. Chocobos, WS animations, Beast tribe area. Including 1.18 this will be alot of the big things that ive been wanting.

Grand Companies were in planning since release. SO were chocobos and probably a few others. They released this game early with the plan to add things later.

where are they?

Stop defending them by saying rift/wow/whatever other mmo had things planned before the release of their other content. So did SE.

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Originally Posted by options

Grand Companies were in planning since release. SO were chocobos and probably a few others. They released this game early with the plan to add things later.

where are they?

Stop defending them by saying rift/wow/whatever other mmo had things planned before the release of their other content. So did SE.

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