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Imapoonu said -- "people willing to accept MINOR FLAWS".....??????

Please see the hundreds of suggestion posts, along with disgruntled folks like the one above me (*Love your METRIC ASSLOAD definition; well hate it but agree with it ;o/.

MAXIMAL FLAWS currently would be the correct definition, with little to zero public response aside from very vague acknowledgements occasionally. "We will look into it" works for a month; then it becomes like that trademark symbol all mmo gamers know well: "soon". Disappointment and no light emanating from the suits' end of the tunnel. Oh, I'm sorry, here let me log in tonight for my 49 minute CT df wait -- thats how I'm counting down my sub, one log in at a time.

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If you are going to slice a quote, do it correctly.

If you are a fan of the series and enjoy the game (I also used DCUO as a reference) then you will consider some of the issues others have as minor. Also, if you do not speed through content by playing several hours a day several days a week, the end game content doesn't appear to be lacking as drastically as some others state.

If you take something out of context, make sure you imply that context. It was obviously subjective in nature, and I feel it was clearly outlined as such.

I also find it VERY strange that some of the things defined as major flaws or maximal flaws are brought up in the same "wow clone" conversation while not considering some of the aforementioned "flaws" are things Blizzard would consider "design breakthroughs", because ya know....obvious.

Here are some major flaws imo:
*Inventory management
*Summoning your chocobo dismisses you from duty
*Retainer space
*Potion cooldowns and the linking there of
*One pvp arena
*No open world pvp
*Cannot trade dl gear for seals
*Cannot "overmeld" non-meldable gear
*other

So you see, some people's doom and gloom is merely a yippy dog barking for others.

I get it OP.

One of the things an MMO community loves almost as much as actually playing the game is speculation, theory crafting and salivating over concept art and sneak peaks of the content to come. At times when the game can seem a little stale it can help reinvigorate one's excitement and love for the game.

Live letters are a huge opportunity to generate hype and excitement for the game. And I agree, this last one was a bit of a swing and a miss.

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I get it OP.

One of the things an MMO community loves almost as much as actually playing the game is speculation, theory crafting and salivating over concept art and sneak peaks of the content to come. At times when the game can seem a little stale it can help reinvigorate one's excitement and love for the game.

Live letters are a huge opportunity to generate hype and excitement for the game. And I agree, this last one was a bit of a swing and a miss.

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When it's phrased that way, I can completely agree. I'd love to have more new and upcoming stuff to talk about.

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Originally Posted by Imapooonu

Here are some major flaws imo:
*Inventory management
*Summoning your chocobo dismisses you from duty
*Retainer space
*Potion cooldowns and the linking there of
*One pvp arena
*No open world pvp
*Cannot trade dl gear for seals
*Cannot "overmeld" non-meldable gear
*other

So you see, some people's doom and gloom is merely a yippy dog barking for others.

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- summoning Chocobo counts as 1 additional member in your party, hence the withdrawal from DF queue
- more retainers will be allowed in 2.2
- Potion cool-downs are synced to prevent the chain spamming of Potions e.g Mega Pot>Elixir> Hi-Elixir
- PvP isn't the focus of FFXIV
- FFXIV isn't a PvP centric MMO, as such PvP isn't actively encouraged
- Might be implemented
- "Over-melding" non meldable gear affects the balance of gears, even a 5 point increase in primary stat can effectively make an i90 character a i92 character and due to the difficulty of proposed over-melding, it'll be only available to those with the gil to throw around and possibly turning players towards RMT.

Hardly what I'd call "major flaws"

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It's not ONLY that there isn't much to do. It's that what we CAN/WANT do is being LIMITED, because they don't want you to have NOTHING to do. Anyone see the irony there?

There's a metric assload of other factors that are contributing to the evergrowing boredom of this game though.

-Housing wasn't what the players wanted.
-FFXIV killed the support job classification for adventuring (Don't even kid yourself, a bard is a DPS in this game)
-Since your either a tank, dps, or healer with nothing inbetween... There's virtually no room left for player strategizing other than "learn to dodge, learn the rotation, don't mess up or boot"
-Gear affects what you can and can't do too much in this game instead of augmenting you (IE: WHERE IS THE GEAR THAT ENHANCES ABILITIES INSTEAD OF JUST STATS?)
-Do to the crappy way gear works in this game there is a power creep as others have mentioned, we don't even need level caps anymore if they just keep increasing gear ilvl.
-Regardless of what you say or how you feel, your either a precious snowflake or a white knight on these forums. Not someone who likes the game or is disappointed and just wants the game to succeed or be better.
-I like to rant, especially when no one cares and SE will continue following its grand master plan and maybe every once in a great while listen to its player-base.

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- any statistics to show that Housing isn't what players want? or is it merely what you do not want?
- there are no promised full fledged support class in FFXIV and the same applies to countless MMOs
- there are no room strategizing because you've all watched "youtube guides" on how to do it, try being the first few to attempt new content or rely on figuring out mechanics on your own instead of relying on guides if you want to strategize
- even with gear that augments, players will default to gear that increases stats as it has always been shown to be more effective for general content over abilities augmenting gear sets
- and with that said, you can be easily categorized as a "special snowflake" and your personal opinions are not necessarily what would allow the game to succeed
- the player-base speaks without data, without statistics and numbers to back their exaggerated claims, they rant incessantly, complains about every and will never be satisfied, with such finicky player-base, the best advice is to simply ignore them.

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What I find asinine might be a very minor issue to you and vise versa.
We all have different "workflows" as to how we do tasks, whether it be gaming or work.
So please refrain from telling people that what they expect is somehow a miniscule issue overall.

I quit about a month ago because it got too boring and too tedious. It's hard to play a game that doesn't let you do two things at the same time, like mount and talk or open character screen while browsing market, or queuing for DF while companion is out.
I mean, a bloody child can deduce the logic that a companion should be unsummoned when DF queue pops.

Always loved FF so I keep coming back to the forums to track changes in hopes that someday I'll be able to come back. :)

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Hardly what I'd call "major flaws"

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Let’s look at this a little more in depth.

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- summoning Chocobo counts as 1 additional member in your party, hence the withdrawing from DF queue.

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I think we all know why it happens, but we don’t know why it was designed this way. Currently there is no way to level your chocobo outside of open world content. In addition, leveling your character through dungeons is most efficient. You can que with egi out, why not a chocobo? There’s really no need to further elaborate. You should be able to que for a dungeon with your chocobo summoned.

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- Potion cool-downs are synced to prevent the chain spamming of Potions e.g Mega Pot>Elixir> Hi-Elixir

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Again, I think we all know the intention behind the design, but also see the flaws in the design. You do realize that a mega potion, ether, and vitality potion for instance all share the same cool down right? Furthermore, their item description also states different times for said cool down, however if you use a mega potion for instance, they are all cooled down at the same intervals.

This is one example of cross cool downs that seem to be flawed in design.

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- PvP isn't the focus of FFXIV
- FFXIV isn't a PvP centric MMO.

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Never said it was, not sure how you derived at this assumption. Implementing a 2vs2 or a dueling option would’ve been relevant. The one arena they provided is fun I’ll admit, but releasing one lackluster arena overall was a bad idea. Open world pvp for certain fates would’ve been easy to implement as well.

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- "Over-melding" non meldable gear affects the balance of gears.

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Overmelding non-meldable gear would come at a great cost. Also, over-melding only allows for two melds. In addition, the second overmeld practically has nil chances of success. Adding two strength materia to a piece of gear would hardly make anyone overpowered. You would probably go through 10-20 materias before achieving success to begin with. This would give relevance to materias outside of craftable gear and pvp gear as well.

Want your xyz chest piece to be close to BiS instead of the other xyz chest piece? Done…but at a huge cost…more than likely. RNG would not be on your side, not that I’m a huge fan of RNG, but this is a simple idea that could help add some horizontal progression that many want while dealing with a mechanic that won’t be going away anytime soon. In other words, easy to implement. I mean, we can’t even trade in our dl gear for seals ya know? This gives us something to do with it without making it overpowered.

These are things I would consider major flaws ie correctable design mistakes / gross design over looks / etc. I’m not saying they’re “game breaking”.

Anyways…so much for nothing to talk about lol.

Highly likely that many will disagree - but don't some of you like having these down-times every once in a while, purely from a quality of life perspective? Sure, having lots of content can be fun but often times you feel forced to prioritize it /play it "all" or risk missing out. As an adult, I like being able to get three months to complete content and not feel rushed. The downtime allows me to enjoy other aspects of life and/or other games. Do you honestly want an MMO that is the only game you play that fully engulfs your life? If $15 per month nets me 10 hours of playtime per month I'm fully happy with that (we'd be lying to ourselves if we said we don't still get much more than 10 hours per month out of it).

Is it really such a bad thing to shelf a game for a few months throughout the year? Can't we just accept that that is what type of game this is? If you can accept that; you'll start to see a lot more positive aspects of the game.

It's ok some people just love things so much they end up hurting a series or franchise's quality but certainly not their profits, which is why Lightning Returns is the worst selling game in the trilogy and the whole XIII series is the worst rated but overall it's sold more than IX and other games in the series, can't argue with dedicated fans willing to buy into mediocre products which is why quality doesn't matter anymore, thus ARR was born and will keep up chugging on one leg.

I'll give the game credit, I was having an absolute blast (minus the connection issues around launch day) up until a week or so ago, and then... I got desperate and tried switching to different classes to get to level 50, but I like healing the most, so eventually I'd just log in for the roulette, then log off, and eventually it got to be a week or two weeks solid I didn't even bother to log in. I've started playing again yesterday and today, but I had to switch back to Healer and just grind myth tomes to do it.

Then again... This is sorta what I was hoping would happen while I was still addicted; that it would come down to being a game I pick up every once in awhile and make some progress on. I definitely don't want just 1 game to usurp all of my free time every day. It's a game, not a simulation to live in. I guess I can agree that there's a point where you run out of things to do, I just don't necessarily see it as a bad thing. I suppose I need to go unlock the other hard mode dungeon I haven't done yet, and some of the additional story quests, and make progress wherever I feel like when I log in, and simply play something else when I don't.

Anyone notice that at the end of the newly released PS4 trailer it states there are currently 1.8M players? Wow - I hadn't heard that. Game keeps getting bigger.

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Anyone notice that at the end of the newly released PS4 trailer it states there are currently 1.8M players? Wow - I hadn't heard that. Game keeps getting bigger.

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Sure doesn't feel like it on my server. I guess players now are playing at a more casual pace compare to the mad rush at launch.

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Sure doesn't feel like it on my server. I guess players now are playing at a more casual pace compare to the mad rush at launch.

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I know that's how I and many others I know are playing. We play two times a week for two hours to raid and then sporadically otherwise. Before that, I'd log three or four hours a night and many hours on the weekend. But that's how it is when you have plenty of content to work on/through.

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It's ok some people just love things so much they end up hurting a series or franchise's quality but certainly not their profits, which is why Lightning Returns is the worst selling game in the trilogy and the whole XIII series is the worst rated but overall it's sold more than IX and other games in the series, can't argue with dedicated fans willing to buy into mediocre products which is why quality doesn't matter anymore, thus ARR was born and will keep up chugging on one leg.

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Perhaps it is time to evaluate if it is you who are mistaken about how a game is rated, this perhaps is case in point of how your opinions are not fact.

If FF13 is the best selling FF, it means there are plenty of customers who liked FF13, but instead, you're suggesting that those customers are masochistic and purchases a game they actually hate but doesn't want to admit it.

seriously?

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Let’s look at this a little more in depth.

I think we all know why it happens, but we don’t know why it was designed this way. Currently there is no way to level your chocobo outside of open world content. In addition, leveling your character through dungeons is most efficient. You can que with egi out, why not a chocobo? There’s really no need to further elaborate. You should be able to que for a dungeon with your chocobo summoned.

Again, I think we all know the intention behind the design, but also see the flaws in the design. You do realize that a mega potion, ether, and vitality potion for instance all share the same cool down right? Furthermore, their item description also states different times for said cool down, however if you use a mega potion for instance, they are all cooled down at the same intervals.

This is one example of cross cool downs that seem to be flawed in design.

Never said it was, not sure how you derived at this assumption. Implementing a 2vs2 or a dueling option would’ve been relevant. The one arena they provided is fun I’ll admit, but releasing one lackluster arena overall was a bad idea. Open world pvp for certain fates would’ve been easy to implement as well.

Overmelding non-meldable gear would come at a great cost. Also, over-melding only allows for two melds. In addition, the second overmeld practically has nil chances of success. Adding two strength materia to a piece of gear would hardly make anyone overpowered. You would probably go through 10-20 materias before achieving success to begin with. This would give relevance to materias outside of craftable gear and pvp gear as well.

Want your xyz chest piece to be close to BiS instead of the other xyz chest piece? Done…but at a huge cost…more than likely. RNG would not be on your side, not that I’m a huge fan of RNG, but this is a simple idea that could help add some horizontal progression that many want while dealing with a mechanic that won’t be going away anytime soon. In other words, easy to implement. I mean, we can’t even trade in our dl gear for seals ya know? This gives us something to do with it without making it overpowered.

These are things I would consider major flaws ie correctable design mistakes / gross design over looks / etc. I’m not saying they’re “game breaking”.

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1. Indeed it'll have been better if the system automatically unsummons your chocobo if a queue pops
2. I do not use potions enough to accurately identify if the current system has its restrictions in place due to a game mechanic or was it simply bad programming.
3. The implication is to make FFXIV PvP oriented, FFXIV does not actively encourage PvP as it is deemed highly competitive and might turn away newer players to the genre, it is obvious that the lack of focus on PvP is intentional rather than an oversight or "difficulty" in implementing but I am confident that as the community and game matures, it will move towards content with greater PvP elements
4. Over-melding at great financial costs would make the BiS attainable either by those with large gil reserves or players with disposable income to purchase gil from RMT, RMT aside, over-melding with a simple 5 additional primary stat point per piece can make the difference between a player needing to actively use CDs and handle the mechanics or simply face-rolling the content and if content is based around the iLvl difficulty of a fully over-melded gear-set, it'll be immensely difficult for those without over-melded gears and you'll get "Over-melded players only" parties; conversely, if end content is designed around non-overmelded gear, it'd be easily completed by players with overmelded gear and you'll see them in this forum complaining how end game was "too easy"

I don't think that many of them are design mistakes (other than the chocobo and perhaps potion CD) but merely the game direction, it might not be what everyone likes but it also doesn't mean it is a flaw.

No, I'm suggesting modern gamers and fans are perfectly fine with linear corridors, press X to win and a badly written character shoved into every game until you like her, thus we have stuff like no elemental weaknesses because they're too complicated and an echo buff to win story fights because only endgame matters, and those fans will keep consuming these games because they love a franchise so much, nevermind the franchise used to be a whole lot better in the past with better stories, gameplay, world designs just to mention a few things. Ultimately it doesn't really matter anyway because both the people that worked on those games and the fans that enjoyed them before they went downhill have moved on to greener pastures, or just bought Bravely Default.

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Yes, RMT aside. The problems with RMTs should not dictate development. Anything designed in game needs to exclude RMTs as an extrinsic variable. RMTs just need dealt with, period.

4-1: They would still need cooldowns, this is inarguable to the point. Even if i90 gear had 4 available melds, they would need to use cds.

4-2: Saying “facerolling content” is an overstatement.

4-3: Those party restrictions already exist.

4-a-1: These are indeed flaws. Even if some of these things are intended, they are still flaws. Just because something isn't a glitch doesn't mean it's not a flaw. Without further discussion, they are subjective, but almost any flaw is subjective (the cannon of beauty exemplifies this).

Again, this is a simple fix I seen mentioned before, that accepts RNG as a way of life, doesn’t create anything overpowered, stimulates the economy, and creates the horizontal progression a lot of players want.

Regardless, my agenda is fulfilled…there IS plenty to talk about yet. ;)

I am not even trying Titan HM or Coils and yet have so many things to do in this game that have to plan how to use my play time.

Also, I can't help noticing that many (most?) of the complaints about this game seem to come from the kind of players who devour all content (or better, the subset of content they care about) in a few days by playing 24x7 and then ask for more... and yet they accuse the game of catering only to the "modern instant satisfaction" player. Heck, they ARE the modern instant satisfaction player, and being able to do Titan Extreme does not change that. I am not saying that they can't play the game much better than me (from a pure skill point of view), but rather that their kind of gameplay destroys any hope of having the lasting fun they are asking for. There is no way any game company can release content at the speed they consume it. :P

Meanwhile, the really old-fashioned player is slowly building characters by doing dungeons, dailies, leveling gathering, leveling crafting... and looking a lot around in doing this.

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Meanwhile, the really old-fashioned player is slowly building characters by doing dungeons, dailies, leveling gathering, leveling crafting... and looking a lot around in doing this.

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the thing here is at this point, those of us who was taking their time (the "causal playerbase")and doing everything slowly (in my cases super slowly) has hit the "there is nothing to do" wall and wondering why im still logging on.most of my FC has quit and went back to their previous MMOs and those who havent is sadly waiting for the other MMOs to come out. im close to it as i just need to get a few more classes their relics and then i will be asking "now what?"

Hi guys I thought it would be a good idea to post a link to my thread in here to try and get more support its an idea i had for open world content called "Dungeons Opened Up To Explore" be amazing if i could get more support so far a lot of people like my idea here's the link

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Up-To-Explore.

Thank you in advance to anyone that likes it bumps it or leave a comment with an idea to improve on the original idea (/^o^)/

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No, I'm suggesting modern gamers and fans are perfectly fine with linear corridors, press X to win and a badly written character shoved into every game until you like her, thus we have stuff like no elemental weaknesses because they're too complicated and an echo buff to win story fights because only endgame matters, and those fans will keep consuming these games because they love a franchise so much, nevermind the franchise used to be a whole lot better in the past with better stories, gameplay, world designs just to mention a few things. Ultimately it doesn't really matter anyway because both the people that worked on those games and the fans that enjoyed them before they went downhill have moved on to greener pastures, or just bought Bravely Default.

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The classic FFs that these same fans revere are more linear than FF13 , FF13 isn't exactly the easiest game around, the difficulty curve increase in Gran Pulse has thrown many of a players off and Lightning is far from a badly written and hated character, perhaps you hate her but that still doesn't make it fact.

FFXIV has only gone through 1 expansion, elemental weaknesses aren't as game changing as you'd think it'd be, we'd still just perform a set of rotations to throw out the most consistent DPS

Echo buffs are for Coil (main storyline quest) which is obsolete in 2.2, I'm not sure why is it so hard for players like you to actually allow those who have difficulty progressing the storyline to have a dig at it after 2 whole content patch.

Your memories of classic FF are rose tinted

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Yes, RMT aside. The problems with RMTs should not dictate development. Anything designed in game needs to exclude RMTs as an extrinsic variable. RMTs just need dealt with, period.

4-1: They would still need cooldowns, this is inarguable to the point. Even if i90 gear had 4 available melds, they would need to use cds.

4-2: Saying “facerolling content” is an overstatement.

4-3: Those party restrictions already exist.

4-a-1: These are indeed flaws. Even if some of these things are intended, they are still flaws. Just because something isn't a glitch doesn't mean it's not a flaw. Without further discussion, they are subjective, but almost any flaw is subjective (the cannon of beauty exemplifies this).

Again, this is a simple fix I seen mentioned before, that accepts RNG as a way of life, doesn’t create anything overpowered, stimulates the economy, and creates the horizontal progression a lot of players want.

Regardless, my agenda is fulfilled…there IS plenty to talk about yet. ;)

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RMT cannot be "dealt with" the only RMT can be "dealt with" is to make the prospect of purchasing in game currency less viable, less essential and unattractive

RMT activity was increased when players are faced with the Titan wall during their relic quests and many purchased gil to buy carries, the same would undoubtedly apply for players to buy gil for over-melding.

1. Of course, it was merely a figure of speech but it does hold some truth in it, an i90 tank can effective tank Caduceus at 4-5 stacks without using his CDs, the same can't be said for a i80/70 tank
2. It won't be an overstatement, the fact that players are steamrolling T1-4 now is largely due to their gear superiority, T2 enrage strategy is only made possible when the PT is over-geared for the encounter, overmelded gear sets would without a doubt make the top end-game boss easier
3. What party restrictions? I was pointing out that FF14 isn't a PvP centric game and thus PvP isn't integrated by game design not be design flaw
4. Its then merely what you prefer, rather than "flaws." You might prefer a Ramen's soupbase to be sweet but it doesn't mean salty ones are "flawed" its merely your preference at this point.

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The classic FFs that these same fans revere are more linear than FF13

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You're clearly trolling if you're trying to imply FF7 is more linear than FF13.

Thanks for proving modern FF fans will eat up anything thrown at them and defend it while disregarding old FF games as inferior, it's sad that they really can't tell what quality is because they're so blinded by their fanboyism light or just pretty CGI that makes up for everything bad, also sure some older FF games are also linear at times, maybe the first 2-3 hours but certainly not the first 40 hours like XIII.

I rest my case, here's to more years of dumbed down Final Fantasy games, long live Final Fantasy.

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RMT cannot be "dealt with" the only RMT can be "dealt with" is to make the prospect of purchasing in game currency less viable, less essential and unattractive

RMT activity was increased when players are faced with the Titan wall during their relic quests and many purchased gil to buy carries, the same would undoubtedly apply for players to buy gil for over-melding.

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I disagree. There are protocols that could be implemented to stave their efficiency. While I agree the titan wall has been influential in their success, so was the intial housing prices, and a plethora of other mitigating circumstances.

Regardless it is a separate issue that should be dealt with on it’s own. Allowing RMTs to influence game design and creativity is lazy and counter-productive in rectifying the problem.

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1. Of course, it was merely a figure of speech but it does hold some truth in it, an i90 tank can effective tank Caduceus at 4-5 stacks without using his CDs, the same can't be said for a i80/70 tank.

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Granted, but point stands.

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2. It won't be an overstatement, the fact that players are steamrolling T1-4 now is largely due to their gear superiority, T2 enrage strategy is only made possible when the PT is over-geared for the encounter, overmelded gear sets would without a doubt make the top end-game boss easier .

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That’s the point. It would hardly change anything other than preferences.

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3. What party restrictions? I was pointing out that FF14 isn't a PvP centric game and thus PvP isn't integrated by game design not be design flaw.

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In reference to #4 post 136.

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4. Its then merely what you prefer, rather than "flaws." You might prefer a Ramen's soupbase to be sweet but it doesn't mean salty ones are "flawed" its merely your preference at this point.

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Hence the use of the word “subjective”.

Anyway, it's been a pleasure disagreeing with someone in a civil and logical manner.

Thank you.

you could always disscuss the next live letter here

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...xt-live-letter

but not many people interests in this unless the live letter is released first.

Actually, this has nothing to do on whether or not there are interesting topic to be had.

This has to do with the toxicity level of General Discussion an the fact that anyone who wants to really discuss components of the game without it devolving into the same polarized insults back and forth really, REALLY shouldn't be posting in General discussion, and therefore, don't.

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Thanks for proving modern FF fans will eat up anything thrown at them and defend it while disregarding old FF games as inferior, it's sad that they really can't tell what quality is because they're so blinded by their fanboyism light or just pretty CGI that makes up for everything bad, also sure some older FF games are also linear at times, maybe the first 2-3 hours but certainly not the first 40 hours like XIII.

I rest my case, here's to more years of dumbed down Final Fantasy games, long live Final Fantasy.

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Are you still subbed? I'm curious.

Also while I cannot defend the story of 13 it is in no way a simple game. There are jobs that you need to apply in order to take down harder bosses. During my time playing both I'd have been in trouble if I just say there trying to brute force on any job via X. I like both modern and old FF titles this in no way gives cause for you to assume such negative aspects of ones person merely because they are able to find enjoyment in newer titles.

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A lot of you guys were missing my point. It has nothing to do with this game being Hardcore vs Casual. It's about the lack of anything interesting to do (or discuss). I mean, what is there even to discuss about this game that hasn't already been said a billion times? This live letter gave us nothing new to talk about. Hell, there are new Coil turns in 2.2 and they revealed more info about the OLD Coil turns.

SE is simply just dropping the ball on trickling out info to maintain hype for the game. We never get to see patch notes, or test stuff on the PTR or anything. And these live letters are way too far apart.

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Can't agree with you more Omniwaink! ^-^

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the thing here is at this point, those of us who was taking their time (the "causal playerbase")and doing everything slowly (in my cases super slowly) has hit the "there is nothing to do" wall and wondering why im still logging on.most of my FC has quit and went back to their previous MMOs and those who havent is sadly waiting for the other MMOs to come out. im close to it as i just need to get a few more classes their relics and then i will be asking "now what?"

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Maybe my saving grace is that I can play only weekends. But I stand my point: our expectations from any game in terms of content and playing hours are overblown. We should not expect a single game to occupy our whole spare time, nor it is possible with content that it's always fresh. After a certain number of hours, if you want to go on playing you'll have to repeat things you have already done. There is no way around it, unless you wander around and really explore every meter of the virtual world.

Didn't they just release another Final Fantasy game to tide us over until patch 2.2?

(and I'll say the same next month, except that one will Tidus over to patch 2.2)

Another reason I quit the game. Every live letter is: here yet ANOTHER turn of the coil...ok. Or, we are now adding yet ANOTHER difficult to our old content....k...

Hey we are making crafting/gathering completely useless thus making half the classes in the game crap...right...

Every "addition" or live letter is so mild and lacking in terms of content. Why would i pay $15 a month for this lackluster game when there are better offerings out there?

February...zzz...how are we one month away from 2.2 and know next to nothing about it?

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Originally Posted by omniwaink

February...zzz...how are we one month away from 2.2 and know next to nothing about it?

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Actually, we know almost everything about what 2.2 will deliver:
1. Coil 6-9.
2. Leviathan.
3. Ruins of Amdapoor dungeon.
4. Two hard versions of old dungeons (if I'm correct).
5. Vanity system.
6. New allagan tomes.
And some other minor additions.

That's pretty much it.

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Originally Posted by Vantol

Actually, we know almost everything about what 2.2 will deliver:
1. Coil 6-9.
2. Leviathan.
3. Ruins of Amdapoor dungeon.
4. Two hard versions of old dungeons (if I'm correct).
5. Vanity system.
6. New allagan tomes.
And some other minor additions.

That's pretty much it.

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All things we knew before 2.1. As far as the details on any of those, we know nothing. Hence nothing on these forums to discuss or be excited about.