Roll Over Minutes for Tomes Please

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

group being butthurt about their myths is just ridiculous.

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Why do you guys keep saying this? If you read the thread again you'll see that all of the people for this idea have put their points in a calm and mature manner. I have probably been the "least well behaved" and all I've resorted to is a little sarcasm. The guys against however have been decidedly less restrained. If anyone here is butthurt or crying it's people who are arguing against. Just thought I'd point that out.

Greetings,

While we increased the amount of Allagan tomestones of mythology a player can receive each week, we don't have any plans to roll over the remaining to the following week if you didn't earn them all.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

Greetings,

While we increased the amount of Allagan tomestones of mythology a player can receive each week, we don't have any plans to roll over the remaining to the following week if you didn't earn them all.

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Well at least there was a response. But due to all the tomes I have to waste because I dont have time some weeks I would have liked to see this implemented so I could catch up on them during my weeks I do have time.

Ah! So this idea made it to the official forums and even got a response.

It does seem like allowing players the ability to catch up on their progression would alleviate stress for those players who cannot play for an extended period.

Specifically, it would help keep players from quitting who cannot play for so long that they feel they are just too far behind to be significant.

You can't make everyone happy, and yet this system would have absolutely no drawbacks for anyone.

The system is designed to limit individual progression, requiring you to fork out money for a longer term to get what you want. Annoying, but it is what it is. That said, as a player I fully support the intent of this thread. I would like to see tomestones more in line with how leve allowances work.

lol wow some of yall are pretty bold to some of the mods. keep it classy.

atleast we got an official reply :)

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

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Can understand it not being on the table for the moment, but I would suggest not ruling it out entirely. As I suspect some have noted throughout the thread, time-based restrictions can backfire against a player when it comes to missed potential. It's certainly one of the reasons I loathe the CT lockout, as an example, but also why you might see some requesting job-specific tome tallies so people could adequately gear multiple jobs while putting in the effort, too. The only real alternative option for people down the road is to hope the costs for things get reduced significantly, but that's a giant leap of faith and may still result in an unsatisfactory adjustment.

To be honest, I think the 450 cap puts a greater pressure on people to cap. Instead of upping the cap by 50%, I think reducing myth gear costs by 50% would've been better received.

Hmmm, seems rather silly. If I recall Guildleves or Guildhest charges used to reset every day, and you changed them and allowed them to stack to 99(?) so people didn't feel obligated to complete them or they would go to waste. Then you add a system where if you don't complete it the remainder go to waste.

I mean its easy to do but consistency in the design direction would be nice. Could it at least rollover to a cap? Like It'll roll over the cap up to a maximum of 4x the cap? In the end you're still only progressing as fast as everyone else, you just don't fall behind as far if you miss a week or say, quit for a while because you're violently bored.

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Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter

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Well at least there was a response. But due to all the tomes I have to waste because I dont have time some weeks I would have liked to see this implemented so I could catch up on them during my weeks I do have time.

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It is much easier to cap now however. With duty roulette you can get as many as 90 myth stones in a single dungeon.

LOL Stop being lazy and get your tomestones for the week :P Don't cry if you don't get a chance to fulfill it. It's called a life away from the game. Embrace it once in a while :D Who knows....? Maybe even go a whole week without logging on.

I understand why this was suggested, but then new players should never join xiv since they would have no rollover from day 1 and would never be able to catch up.

Current system aim to keep players play the game, at least for some time a week.
I guess with the rollovers, you could pause playing for a month and still have progresses. The lesser players play, the easier existing players will quit the game.

I've got a solution for people who can't get (always) all their tomes in one week:

Get over it.

Honestly, it hadn't even occured to me to whinge if I couldn't get all my tomestones in one week, this thread is depressing :| (well the idea, fair enough, but again it's peoples responses and the self-entitledness that drags it down)

If you don't have the time to cap in one week then I would contest that you don't have the time to put a serious effort into what the gear is intended for in the first place which is raiding BC (and making that effort easier/carrot on the stick). Even discounting the duty roulette giving you 90 in one go, and lets just fall back on the very easy to obtain 15 minute WP speed run (you have to get in a very bad group to not get 15 min.) 30 myths, every 15 minutes and you will cap in about 4 hours (current cap). Is that the most boring 4 hours of your life? yeah, probably... which is why I am really glad you have a bunch of other options, but if you cannot put 4 hours a week into this game, then you probably don't need the gear that you are "grinding" to obtain, therefore you won't really be "falling behind".

The only people that are going to car how much level 90 gear you have, is going to be a BC group, and likely a T5 BC group at that, since you can easily clear through T4 with your entire group sitting on just level 70 stuff. If you want to down the T5 content, you still have another 3 months before it finally become "outdated" and you would technically "fall behind", and at that, they will be adding in a method to clear BC T1-5 much easier come 2.2. So even being "behind" you will still be able to get through the content.

Bottom line, there is no reason for this to change, and I agree with their stance.

You already have to do 15 dungeon runs a week to cap. Would you really want a rollover so you have to do 30 or more runs a week to catch up?

I don't see the harm in doing it really. I personally don't care.. I can do the 450, but it would be nice if I was able to say... do them every other week so I don't miss out. I can understand people wanting it.

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Originally Posted by Yahavage

Honestly, it hadn't even occured to me to whinge if I couldn't get all my tomestones in one week, this thread is depressing :| (well the idea, fair enough, but again it's peoples responses and the self-entitledness that drags it down)

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I really love the semi-recent trend of throwing "entitled" into a sentence when arguing against something. No, really - I absolutely love it. Do you have any idea how much time is saved reading wasteful words when you just stop there?

Then can you add a feature that will give me max tome stones with a click of a button. I don't have the time to play this game as you currently designed it and that's clearly unfair to me that others can and omg don't get me on how long it takes to level up a job ahhhh.... /sarcasm off

Agree with the no-rollover thing. It won't stop you falling behind as you're already missing out on potential drops from raids and if you can't make it on every week repeatedly, then you're unlikely to be all that competitive anyway.

Job-specific tomes are something I hope never make it into this game ever.

The leve style allowance for tomes doesn't sound promising either, but maybe could work for CT drops where you could theoretically run it endlessly and not get a drop for that week and waste your allowance.

New dungeons drop 50 tomes, so you only have to run 9 dungeons at most. That's excluding the 250(?) you can get from raids each week, and 280 tomes available from high-level duty roulette dailies. Running 1 dungeon a day and no raiding will bring you to myth cap. With 2.1 you'll probably be throwing away free tomes now.

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Originally Posted by Lukahn

It is much easier to cap now however. With duty roulette you can get as many as 90 myth stones in a single dungeon.

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Which is 630 Myth, so way over the limit. Just need to do one Roulette run a day for five days, not too hard even for the casual player to run five runs. Needed more than that to cap pre-patch.

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Originally Posted by Smashington

Ah! So this idea made it to the official forums and even got a response.

It does seem like allowing players the ability to catch up on their progression would alleviate stress for those players who cannot play for an extended period.

Specifically, it would help keep players from quitting who cannot play for so long that they feel they are just too far behind to be significant.

You can't make everyone happy, and yet this system would have absolutely no drawbacks for anyone.

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It would give us no reason to login for months. It would lose them money.
I could do thousands of myths in a single week, not subscribe until next patch, come back and not have missed a thing.
Many of us are already content capped, this would take away the only reason for us to log in each week, other than the new fights which are still entertaining for a few of us.

Please remember to read previous posts and make responses to conclusions and arguments previously made.

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Originally Posted by KariArisu

It would give us no reason to login for months. It would lose them money.
I could do thousands of myths in a single week, not subscribe until next patch, come back and not have missed a thing.
Many of us are already content capped, this would take away the only reason for us to log in each week, other than the new fights which are still entertaining for a few of us.

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Originally Posted by P_Wing

Current system aim to keep players play the game, at least for some time a week.
I guess with the rollovers, you could pause playing for a month and still have progresses. The lesser players play, the easier existing players will quit the game.

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Originally Posted by ChickensEvil

If you don't have the time to cap in one week then I would contest that you don't have the time to put a serious effort into what the gear is intended for in the first place which is raiding BC (and making that effort easier/carrot on the stick). Even discounting the duty roulette giving you 90 in one go, and lets just fall back on the very easy to obtain 15 minute WP speed run (you have to get in a very bad group to not get 15 min.) 30 myths, every 15 minutes and you will cap in about 4 hours (current cap). Is that the most boring 4 hours of your life? yeah, probably... which is why I am really glad you have a bunch of other options, but if you cannot put 4 hours a week into this game, then you probably don't need the gear that you are "grinding" to obtain, therefore you won't really be "falling behind".

The only people that are going to car how much level 90 gear you have, is going to be a BC group, and likely a T5 BC group at that, since you can easily clear through T4 with your entire group sitting on just level 70 stuff. If you want to down the T5 content, you still have another 3 months before it finally become "outdated" and you would technically "fall behind", and at that, they will be adding in a method to clear BC T1-5 much easier come 2.2. So even being "behind" you will still be able to get through the content.

Bottom line, there is no reason for this to change, and I agree with their stance.

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With the current system of myth tomes, the issue is not simply that players are falling behind in gear. It's that weekly resets (and lockouts) stratify the community and make it impossible to bridge that gap. Obviously, we recognize that some stratification is necessary in order to keep the dedicated playerbase enthusiastic about getting to (and staying on) the top. What's clearly not productive is blocking people who for real-life reasons must miss a week or more but can jump back in the game for blocks at a time (for example, military or contractors), or take excursions but otherwise maintain a regular schedule (for example, travel- and trip-oriented professions).

This is my previous post that addresses the concerns in the quotes above.

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Originally Posted by YuriRamona

This is obviously a major concern with implementing a system that accumulates/rolls over your mythology tome weekly allocation. There are serious problems with getting players to log on consistently if they could concentrate a month or more worth of tome grinding into the spawn of a day or two. Indeed, why would players remain subscribed if they can let their account lapse for a few weeks or even months and then come back fresh?

On the other hand, the system that currently exists heavily, if not severely, disincentives players who've missed the weekly reset from logging back in. As the OP explains, they are permanently behind other players (especially their friends and FC) and can not ever catch up.

In addition, the lockout on the Binding Coil would still act as a strong counterweight to implementing a "rollover" tome system (and in 2.1, the weekly Extreme Mode primal lockout). Given that mythology equipment is immensely above the equipment requirement for all current content besides Coil (and EM Primals), players will be strongly incentivized to maintain their subscription. The next closest demanding content is Crystal Tower and Titan HM, the former has an item looting lockout and the latter is an undesirable headache to a vast majority of players. This argument is clearly debatable but I don't see evidence to the contrary.

As the general population becomes better equipped, the demand on players, even in Duty Finder, rises steadily. SE obviously recognizes the gap in player achievement across the casual-dedicated gradient and that is why they are implementing the Duty Roulette. Another instance of this is the max number of leve allowances you can save: 99, which represents over two weeks worth of missing leves, in order to let low level players, crafters, and harvesters to catch up.

A weekly reset on myth tomes is antithetical to the philosophy of bridging the casual-dedicated player gap. As many other threads have lamented, the content schedule and development structure of this game strongly disfavors dedicated players: SE is much more eager to capture a large casual subscription base, it is puzzling why they have yet to indicate a willingness to move to this "rollover"-type system. Players who miss weekly resets are often the type who have real-life commitments: other things to do that supply them a steady stream of income or social fulfillment that readily distract them from the game's lackluster ilvl80+ endgame offerings (i.e. Coil and EM Primals).

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They already said no, just drop it.