DRK feels super squish in comparison to the other tanks

That’s why I mention ultimates, because you aren’t surviving those off one mitigation, you need to layer multiple. The more you layer the stronger TBN becomes. Already the 15+15 is less than 30 but I’ll ignore that. Add in rampart or your 40% and the effects of stacked mitigation rapidly diminish. Some TB’s simply need more than be provided by the tank alone; unless that tank is a DRK

This is also ignoring dark mind which while also subject to diminishing returns is a free mitigation

I don’t deny that dark struggles to heal up after, but that’s also what a healer is for. I’d rather have a tankier tank and leave the post tb healing to the healer than be less tanky for more healing in savage and up specifically

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

And now there is three posts in a row discussing tank healing in response to my comment

If yall want to discuss how relatively weak DRK’s HEALING is compared to the other tanks then lead with that

DRK is “tankier” but far weaker at healing itself. That’s two very different things

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POINT=DRK's short mitigation is weaker than other Tank's mitigation plus the difference in healing power leading to a situation that make DRK Squishy. It doesn't take genius to put two and two together.



MORE POINT=If you can received and stack more layer of mitigations from the entire party Bloodwhetting got a weaker percentage in mitigation start to be less a problem. It 10%+ 400 heal potency shield[around8% of your HP] which leave only 7% different when compared to 25% of TBN.

That’s talking out of both sides of your mouth

You can’t both use party mitigations to show that BW isn’t “that much weaker” than TBN but then also ignore the party when it comes to the perspective of recovering after the TB actually hits

Either you are considering the tanks ability to both sustain itself and survive big busters without outside intervention (which isn’t a particularly useful metric unless you are discussing tanks survivability with clueless healers) which DRK isn’t good at

Or your are considering how a tank plays within a group including its ability to mitigate itself and whether healers are a consideration (which when the healers do the post damage healing then DRK’s tankier nature on single hits wins out)

You can’t play this both ways. If your point is DRK is more reliant on healers then I mean sure…..but that’s not what OP originally said, they said it’s weaker on MITIGATION. Then tried to play post damage healing as a form of mitigation

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Originally Posted by The_User

POINT=DRK's short mitigation is weaker than other Tank's mitigation plus the difference in healing power leading to a situation that make DRK Squishy. It doesn't take genius to put two and two together.

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The individual effect may be weaker, but that ultimately doesn't matter when it's on a shorter cooldown and you simply have more of it available.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

You can’t play this both ways. If your point is DRK is more reliant on healers then I mean sure…..but that’s not what OP originally said, they said it’s weaker on MITIGATION. Then tried to play post damage healing as a form of mitigation

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Which is easy to disprove.
A tank in current BiS has 271841 HP. Both take two busters of 350k about 60 seconds apart.
Now why would I use two busters for this example? Because it's a realistic scenario in any fight that busters happen frequent enough that you can't just kitchen sink them.

Buster 1:
Warrior mitigation: Damnation + Bloodwhetting
350000 x (0.6) x (0.9) x (0.9) - 22000 (from Bloodwhetting's Barrier) = 148100

Dark Knight mitigation: Shadowed Vigil + Blackest Night + Dark Mind + Oblation
350000 x (0.6) x (0.8) x (0.9) - 67960 (from TBN) = 83240 (if magical)
350000 x (0.6) x (0.9) x (0.9) - 67960 (from TBN) = 102140 (if physical)

Buster 2:
Warrior Mitigation: Rampart + Bloodwhetting + Thrill of Battle
350000 x (0.8) x (0.9) x (0.9) - 31680 (from Bloodwhetting's Barrier buffed by ToB and Rampart) = 195120

Dark Knight mitigation: Rampart + Dark Mind + Blackest Night + Oblation
350000 x (0.8) x (0.8) x (0.9) - 67960 (from TBN) = 133640 (if magical)
350000 x (0.8) x (0.9) x (0.9) - 67960 (from TBN) = 158840 (if physical)

Because Dark Mind and Oblation only have a 60 second cooldown they're available for both busters and because this is purely mitigation we're going to ignore the healing from both Equilibrium and Shadowed Vigil.

*edited* Because I forgot to include Bloodwhetting's 400 potency barrier. Had to take a rough number from FFLogs since we have no idea how much 400 healing potency actually is on a tank.

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Originally Posted by WannaBeSuccubs

This is more in reference to end game Content, like EX and Savage

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How about you lead with that next time since your post insinuates that DRK is bad as a whole only for people here to think that you're playing it wrong if you think it's squishy.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

The individual effect may be weaker, but that ultimately doesn't matter when it's on a shorter cooldown and you simply have more of it available.

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Yeah because Boss are going to use tank buster every 15s so DRK can get even with other tanks?

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

That’s talking out of both sides of your mouth

You can’t both use party mitigations to show that BW isn’t “that much weaker” than TBN but then also ignore the party when it comes to the perspective of recovering after the TB actually hits

Either you are considering the tanks ability to both sustain itself and survive big busters without outside intervention (which isn’t a particularly useful metric unless you are discussing tanks survivability with clueless healers) which DRK isn’t good at

Or your are considering how a tank plays within a group including its ability to mitigate itself and whether healers are a consideration (which when the healers do the post damage healing then DRK’s tankier nature on single hits wins out)

You can’t play this both ways. If your point is DRK is more reliant on healers then I mean sure…..but that’s not what OP originally said, they said it’s weaker on MITIGATION. Then tried to play post damage healing as a form of mitigation

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If i'm not ignored the healing after TB then other Tanks would be even more superior than DRK because they all got their personal healing tool. Point being DRK have inferior short cd mitigation and also next to no healing on demand like other tank.


Simply put= 2 of any other tank's short cd is stronger than 2 tbn+oblation or 1tbn+oblation+other tank's short cd.
To say that DRK is more squishy isn't too far off.

the bait is strong with this one

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

The individual effect may be weaker, but that ultimately doesn't matter when it's on a shorter cooldown and you simply have more of it available.

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The 15s cooldown is a lie. Due to MP regeneration limitation, DRK only gets 4 uses of TBN or Edge per 2-minutes. That's on average once per 30s. Oh and when TBN doesn't get fully consumed DRK doesn't get dark arts and misses out on damage.

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Originally Posted by The_User

Yeah because Boss are going to use tank buster every 15s so DRK can get even with other tanks?

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100% This! TB's come out when the favorite child GNB can handle it.

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Originally Posted by WannaBeSuccubs

Self healing IS damage mitigation and should be accounted for.

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Self healing doesn't save you if the attack kills you, therefore, it is not damage mitigation. This is why it is very important to be careful when taking into account healing in damage profiles. Even something like Excog, which restores HP when you go below 50%, will not save you from an attack that immediately drops you.