Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

you can't snipe a fork tower spot its FFA even if you have a pre-made group anyone is allowed in and not healing players in the content is against TOS~

you may not like it but that is how it is course the good thing is most the players who are purposely killed and left on the floor wont report so it doesn't really matter but you are required to treat them as if they were part of your pre-made cause the content allows them to enter.

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If they implemented these rules then they should offer a cipher refund if everyone leaves within 5 minutes

Because pre planned groups would simply leave if they got spots taken by randoms because you can’t force groups to baby randoms in this content

If you are just trying to pug and not intentionally sniping then you should be fine if a pre-made group amicably decides they don’t want to deal with you and would rather just leave and refund their cipher. If you don’t like that solution then you just want to leech

Or square could just fix the queuing conditions

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Originally Posted by Saraide

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Okay - so that indicates that players can tell other players about it during the actual instance. By which time it's clearly too late, as the existence of this thread tends to show.

But again - I don't recall seeing any 'rule' set out by the game itself (namely SE created in-game dialogue or messages) which stated "Thou shalt only enter/participate in this content in a premade team".

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Okay - so that indicates that players can tell other players about it during the actual instance. By which time it's clearly too late, as the existence of this thread tends to show.

But again - I don't recall seeing any 'rule' set out by the game itself (namely SE created in-game dialogue or messages) which stated "Thou shalt only enter/participate in this content in a premade team".

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This was still outside of the forked tower, at the pavilion presumably. Dont get me wrong, the way SE implemented this is bad. But it's bad because it allows for behavior like OP's.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

This was still outside of the forked tower, at the pavilion presumably. Dont get me wrong, the way SE implemented this is bad. But it's bad because it allows for behavior like OP's.

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Let’s not pretend like the behavior of bringing a tankbuster into OP is in any way good.
Fact is this content is utterly trash but the borderline elitist behavior of some (like the guy calling people „leeches“ here) is far worse.

These raiders could have also just dropped a Discord link into chat and ask to join them

Uhh killing people with tank busters and not ressing them is good because im 40 years old and only put 1 (one) cypher in and didnt get picked to join

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

Let’s not pretend like the behavior of bringing a tankbuster into OP is in any way good.
Fact is this content is utterly trash but the borderline elitist behavior of some (like the guy calling people „leeches“ here) is far worse.

These raiders could have also just dropped a Discord link into chat and ask to join them

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Okay so I drop a discord link to you, I find you don’t have geo time mage or thief levelled despite that being the spots that were taken. You also have never been inside this dungeon despite trying to prog bridges in this group.

Do you take responsibility and leave considering you are mismatched for this group or what…..expect them to carry you

I’m a former BA host and I would always defend portal snipers and allow them into my run and do a rerun for the person who missed their spot. But modern BA is a joke. Forked isn’t. If they dropped a discord link to OP would OP have been able to meet their standards for what job to run and what strats to use and meet their prog point, if not I don’t think it’s unfair to exclude (though not assasinate them)

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

Cannot upvote what Saraide said enough.

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Hilariously, you didn't upvote it even once.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

They wouldn't and that's bad design on SE's part. I haven't done FT yet but if it's anything like BA/DRS they're not particularly difficult, they just require planning and coordination, doubly so because of the raise restrictions. If SE wanted a bunch of randoms to just yolo into FT and succeed then they should have made a normal mode you get dumped into from the zone with whoever and then a savage mode you can queue into with a premade, similar to what they did with DRS. That or drop the raise restrictions so people can prog more freely.

Unique objectives that require certain phantom jobs would have actually been a cool thing to do in the zone itself to break up the glorified hunt train, but when you put that in a dungeon where one person making a mistake potentially zones everyone out with no chance for recovery that's just asking for players to become toxic.

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It's reminiscent of something like chaotic, but the body checks and binary pass/fail mechanics combined with the raise restriction(and no reraise/sacrifice to allow for wiggle room) make it rough to say the least. It even does the same weird thing where it scales down to accommodate a party that's too small to pass the first body check, which is one of the first mechanics of the first boss.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Okay so I drop a discord link to you, I find you don’t have geo time mage or thief levelled despite that being the spots that were taken. You also have never been inside this dungeon despite trying to prog bridges in this group.

Do you take responsibility and leave considering you are mismatched for this group or what…..expect them to carry you

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You don’t need every of the 48 players to have the correct jobs.

Either you “sniped” a spot in which case 47 other people are there or the group wasn’t full in which case you didn’t snipe anything in t he first place and there should be even less need to hate on OP.

At this point this isn’t a blind prog anymore and most of these groups attempt to get new players through it in which case one more with a Discord link invite wouldn’t matter because that is what the whole thing is even there for.

The whole thing is called basic human decency.
If you don’t want to raise someone in there, sure go ahead and live out your fantasies of power and might but if you defend killing other players with a tankbuster in there just so they die then you are one of the problems here.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

You don’t need every of the 48 players to have the correct jobs.

Either you “sniped” a spot in which case 47 other people are there or the group wasn’t full in which case you didn’t snipe anything in t he first place and there should be even less need to kill you outright.

At this point this isn’t a blind prog anymore and most of these groups attempt to get new players through it in which case one more with a Discord link invite wouldn’t matter because that is what the whole thing is even there for.

The whole thing is called basic human decency.
If you don’t want to raise someone in there, sure go ahead and live out your fantasies of power and might but if you defend killing other players with a tankbuster in there just so they die then you are one of the problems here.

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“If you sniped a spot that means 47 other people are there”

So your point basically amounts to “if i join a run and don’t match the expectations of the rest of the group i should just be carried”. Tell me if you joined an organised run and they told you you took a geo’s spot and you didn’t have geo levelled would you amicably leave the instance or just expect someone else to run geo? A lot of these groups set entry requirements because of how difficult this is around prog point. This isn’t modern BA Zerg fest. If they want to prog the third boss and you have never been in the instance is it really fair for you to impose on them just because it’s casual content? Are your wants more than theirs

Nobody should be killing anyone else but you aren’t automatically entitled to other people’s time because you got into a run that people wanted to pre organise. Amongst regular BA hosts I was actually an outlier in that I was willing to do a second run to clear both the sniper and the sniped but again that was because modern BA is a Zerg fest. Forked simply isn’t like that. I would instantly ban an assassin from my runs but I also don’t believe the sniper is entitled to the runs time