FRU has been cleared without Tanks!

It's not entirely just aggro management, it's also the loss of any kind of control over the boss.
Good boss positioning was a skill to master for every fight, since it could make both dealing damage and dodging mechanics easier for the rest of your party.
Technically boss positioning still exists, but it's vestigal at best. It mattered in exactly two fights in the current raid tier, for a single mechanic per fight...and one of those is debatable.

people act like having a 3rd shield heal that does nothing but spamming massive shields on a dps that would otherwise be 1 shot by every hit, makes tanks useless

(because of a clear that required 8 people which played on austistic level with tons of luck/good patterns, while they could never ever pull it off themselfes in their lifes)

the fight is good as it is :shrug:

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

people act like having a 3rd shield heal that does nothing but spamming massive shields on a dps that would otherwise be 1 shot by every hit, makes tanks useless

the fight is good as it is :shrug:

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Spreadlo is only about 1200 potency even when you boost it which is like 100-150k HP. A non spreadlo adlo is like 500 potency the tankbusters that actually hurt do about 700k and autos should hit straight through adlo. The third SCH isn’t the problem here

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Spreadlo is only about 1200 potency even when you boost it which is like 100-150k HP. A non spreadlo adlo is like 500 potency the tankbusters that actually hurt do about 700k and autos should hit straight through adlo. The third SCH isn’t the problem here

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you can complain about it, once "no tank clears" become meta and every 2nd group is able to pull it off

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

you can complain about it, once "no tank clears" become meta and every 2nd group is able to pull it off

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Didn’t even wait a single post before jumping to the most braindead deflection that would make r/ffxiv proud

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

you can complain about it, once "no tank clears" become meta and every 2nd group is able to pull it off

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Unlikely, no healer clears still looks to be far more normal. You can see even with the no tank clear, the DPS check seems pretty tight in P5 (no one can really take tankbusters because there's no tanks to invuln so damage down goes to the party after getting raised). Healers in general also just have less DPS than tanks, so it's pretty much assured if you see a 'no role clear' being more comfy / meta, it's most likely going to be no healer clear with tanks/dps unless they drastically increase the heal check requirements relative to tank/dps sustain.

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Unlikely, no healer clears still looks to be far more normal. You can see even with the no tank clear, the DPS check seems pretty tight in P5 (no one can really take tankbusters because there's no tanks to invuln so damage down goes to the party after getting raised). Healers in general also just have less DPS than tanks, so it's pretty much assured if you see a 'no role clear' being more comfy / meta, it's most likely going to be no healer clear with tanks/dps unless they drastically increase the heal check requirements relative to tank/dps sustain.

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how do "no heal ult" clears look normal? Because there is 1 group every year, who pulls it off after countless tries? Its as special as no tank clears are and they will never ever be meta in any way

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how do "no heal ult" clears look normal? Because there is 1 group every year, who pulls it off after countless tries? Its as special as no tank clears are and they will never ever be meta in any way

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Nobody is scared that this will become meta

People are annoyed the balance of the trinity is so warped that this is even possible

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Nobody is scared that this will become meta

People are annoyed the balance of the trinity is so warped that this is even possible

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This is something which is in every mmo i played in the last 15 years possible in every mmo you have people which do things which normal people cant do and u know? in these games people are happy about it, people are happy to see how such challenged are done and they know its something not everyone can do

while in final, OH NOOOO THE TRINITY, HEALER STRIKE USELSS, TANKS USELSS OH NOO BLASPHEMY
how dare they do pull something of not only 1% can do, now we need to balance everything

the encounter design in final is completly ok, you cant take such things as example because not even 1% of the playerbase is able to pull it off so healer and tanks are still needed. and even if they now change something with the encounter design sooner or later people will still find ways to pull stuff like that off.

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

This is something which is in every mmo i played in the last 15 years possible in every mmo you have people which do things which normal people cant do and u know? in these games people are happy about it, people are happy to see how such challenged are done and they know its something not everyone can do

while in final, OH NOOOO THE TRINITY, HEALER STRIKE USELSS, TANKS USELSS OH NOO BLASPHEMY
how dare they do pull something of not only 1% can do, now we need to balance everything

the encounter design in final is completly ok, you cant take such things as example because not even 1% of the playerbase is able to pull it off so healer and tanks are still needed. and even if they now change something with the encounter design sooner or later people will still find ways to pull stuff like that off.

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You know what other games have?

Unbalanced interesting classes

We traded interesting classes for 20 flavours of beige slop + gay mage and interesting encounter design for DDR fight design and we still get this garbage

Why do we have a harshly enforced trinity design where the 8 supports are shades of the same class and we have support classes that have no support allowing for easy mathematical balancing when they still can’t balance it