Please give us instanced housing.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

I haven't seen housing this bad since Ultima Online....

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Never played that game. How did they handle it?

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Originally Posted by Padudu

People choose to ignore it because apartments suck tbh

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But...they're representative of what instanced housing is?

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

But...they're representative of what instanced housing is?

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I know, doesn't change the fact that apartments suck. There's a reason why people have been asking for instanced housing over and over again

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Originally Posted by Fayt1203

Apartments is the instanced housing. people should stop asking for instanced housing and ask for improvement of the apartments system, like in house gardening or more choices of apartment size and so on

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People have been asking for that too, it just seems to fall by the wayside a lot compared to other stuff people want.

Personally if I could have an apartment with an inside the size of a medium or large, and have an indoor garden that I can actually use to crossbreed, I'd be set. I like the look of some of the housing areas, the views are nice and I do want a yard I can decorate, but like... not needing to roll the dice to get a house in the location I want and not needing to worry about auto demolition sounds a lot nicer to me.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Heartnet

Never played that game. How did they handle it?

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You could buy a deed for a certain plot of land. It could be small, medium, large, extra large let's say... Then you would go around the world and find an empty spot but it had to be far enough away from the city and the portals and of course couldn't overlap with trees, dungeons etc... So let's say you do find a spot, you can claim your lot. Then you would either hire people who were carpenters or you would do it yourself and build your house by gathering wood, turning them into usable lumber etc... The life skill jobs were incredible in that game. But, the odd of you finding an empty plot of land was very low. Here's the kicker... It was an open world PvP and you had the good world and the bad world. The bad world was like an outlaw world for red players but they could go to the good world (law abiding) and grief people which was so common that you were likely to die if you set foot out of town. BUT it was a full-drop loot PvP. Meaning 100% of what you had on you could be looted. Say you see someone die, you could loot their corpse too! There was karma but still... A small price to pay for end-game gear. Anyway -- Once you do loot someone's corpse, you could also loot their deed. In act, you could also break into people's houses as I remember. It was very, very hardcore like that. This was the norm in MMORPGs until WoW came out. In contrast, it was super casual and almost nobody from other MMOs would want to play WoW due to how it held people's hands so much. But WoW did do the MMO industry a favor by introducing the game to people who normally would never play MMOs and also made it more casual. I don't miss worrying if I'm going to lose all my loot stepping outside of town or losing my house.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Heartnet

Housing in its current form doesn't work. The housing accessibility to the playerbase gets shutdown just about every year for several months and obtaining a house is almost impossible for a majority of the playerbase. Lottery system doesnt help alleviate the issue either.

Its been in high demand for a years and I believe its time to finally embrace instanced housing so that everyone can have a personal house and so that every FC can have equal access to houses.

Especially now that the playerbase has grown bigger than ever, there is definitely not enough houses for everyone and creating limited availability is ridiculous when it can be easily made to give everyone housing.


A: False.
Doesnt need to be gutted and redone. Literally leave the current houses as is as a grandfathered in and then just add 1 new ward with instanced entrances to each house like the apartments. Just by the existence of apartments, the groundwork is already there.
Neighborhood system doesnt work if people dont got houses and if you have a ward with instanced houses, you will still have neighborhood feel.


A: They have taken feedback and have made changes in the past with several things. PvP has been changed, Diadem has been changed, etc
The game has failed in 1.0 and has improved thanks to feedback. The devs will continue to listen to feedback regardless of whether or not you believe things will change.

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Like you I have played since 2013 and never once was able to own a home in game. Let the current housing system stand I want my own personal instance land. I am hoping the Island retreat ends up being that but its doubtful.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

I haven't seen housing this bad since Ultima Online....

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UO housing is my favorite.

Then again, I also prefer my inn room.

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Originally Posted by Eriane_Elis

You could buy a deed for a certain plot of land. It could be small, medium, large, extra large let's say... Then you would go around the world and find an empty spot but it had to be far enough away from the city and the portals and of course couldn't overlap with trees, dungeons etc... So let's say you do find a spot, you can claim your lot. Then you would either hire people who were carpenters or you would do it yourself and build your house by gathering wood, turning them into usable lumber etc... The life skill jobs were incredible in that game. But, the odd of you finding an empty plot of land was very low. Here's the kicker... It was an open world PvP and you had the good world and the bad world. The bad world was like an outlaw world for red players but they could go to the good world (law abiding) and grief people which was so common that you were likely to die if you set foot out of town. BUT it was a full-drop loot PvP. Meaning 100% of what you had on you could be looted. Say you see someone die, you could loot their corpse too! There was karma but still... A small price to pay for end-game gear. Anyway -- Once you do loot someone's corpse, you could also loot their deed. In act, you could also break into people's houses as I remember. It was very, very hardcore like that. This was the norm in MMORPGs until WoW came out. In contrast, it was super casual and almost nobody from other MMOs would want to play WoW due to how it held people's hands so much. But WoW did do the MMO industry a favor by introducing the game to people who normally would never play MMOs and also made it more casual. I don't miss worrying if I'm going to lose all my loot stepping outside of town or losing my house.

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Dang, that IS pretty hardcore. Glad we left those grindy mmo style ages ago. I can understand being a pvp server u could drop ur loot but ur deed? thats a bit harsh.

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Originally Posted by HisShadowX

Like you I have played since 2013 and never once was able to own a home in game. Let the current housing system stand I want my own personal instance land. I am hoping the Island retreat ends up being that but its doubtful.

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Oh, I never said I didn't own a house. I do own my own house but I recognize the system is just bad as it is. Im glad you agree though =3

I wonder if Island Sanctuary are the compromise to the desire, it will obviously not satiate everyone and people shouldn't sell it as instanced housing to others*, but it may please the sense of home base and can potentially have far more interesting progression mechanics than the current housing system (which may endear the system more to some people). I really hope the island system is going to be a good content. . . *I know there was a tweet that basically said it is instanced housing, but as far as I can tell that was a misunderstanding that was never clarified later.

As for the general desire, *pulls out ancient necromantic horse drum sealed with the finest salts*, BANG BANG BANG. Yes please of course. There are a million reasons why I think instanced housing systems can, and are, much better than wards.. and very few, very limited, reasons why I think wards are interesting. For example I do actually believe the FC only wards might be interesting, but as FFXIV has already said themselves they didn't expect so many wanted houses.. Which to me means that maybe there should have been a system just for FC and then a system just for players. There is a lot of history in this issue and so I don't say it like "wow SE no brain, brrrrrrr goes the wheels". Initially the game wasn't as nearly as popular as it was now, and they added FC housing, but players really wanted to have them too so they opened that up. Given the price and not as many players the system, and most servers, was 'fine'. But as the prices dropped because the barrier to entry was quite high, and as more players joined the game, it became obvious the system was non-sustainable (I mean when the system was first added I was already saying that, many, many, years ago.. but at least there are a series of logical steps that got us to that moment).

Also on the point of Yoshida's preference from what I know he was a huge fan Dark Age of Camelot which had pretty much exactly the same housing system as we have here, so I imagine some influence on his preference is coming from that. Though I still strongly believe that an instanced system would have been a far superiors option for the game and the general audience that it sustains, and that perhaps FC could have had a different system if they wanted to create a nice community feeling as was definitely the original desire of the system (it's just not sustainable/realistic for single player housing while also coming with a lot of cons, imo). Such system in and of themselves could also be considered instanced solutions too, like Wildstar did have community (5 plot) systems where you could create huge cities in effect.

Would have been so cool if we could have had our house in the city, or in the Azim Steppe, the water temple, Amarout, etc... If we had the ability to use the place objects where and how you want and what scale you want... man.. the creativity would have been insane. Already people are pretty good with the system (though some are using a third party tool to get around the limitations of the default system, which to me just means SE should consider removing those (collision based restrictions)).

Yes, I'd love apartments of different sizes