Just some concerns about roulettes (read, rant)

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

The devs have said they're looking at some changes to MSQ. A Trust version is probably the way to go and means that on any DC where the roulette is a bottleneck for new folks, it won't be a bottleneck. It also allows a new person to go through at their leisure and take everything in without being rushed.

That also doesn't mean they can't keep the current roulette. There are already plenty of vets running it. And if they made cutscenes skippable again, they would have to drastically lower the rewards back to what they were previously. Plus Prae conversations are great. I had a run the other day where the whole party was making egg puns the entire time.

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ya i read up on it, glad that they are and i'm curious on what they're going to do. i agree with everything you said btw and I hope at the end of the day they keep the msq roulette as well. i actually don't mind it other than the people leaving castrum, it can be a bit disheartening lol but it's always a good time when you've got a chill group like that

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Originally Posted by Padudu

ya i read up on it, glad that they are and i'm curious on what they're going to do. i agree with everything you said btw and I hope at the end of the day they keep the msq roulette as well. i actually don't mind it other than the people leaving castrum, it can be a bit disheartening lol but it's always a good time when you've got a chill group like that

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I'm kinda hoping that they move Crystal Tower raids to MSQ roulette if they remove Castrum and Praetorium. That way I can enjoy Alliance Raid roulette again. lol

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I'm kinda hoping that they move Crystal Tower raids to MSQ roulette if they remove Castrum and Praetorium. That way I can enjoy Alliance Raid roulette again. lol

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I vote for this

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

It may be different by DC, but people leaving Castrum on Aether isn't really an issue. The party fills back up again in no time even if everyone but 1 or 2 people leave. There are enough who run with what they get that balance out those who leave so the roulette isn't affected that much.

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Originally Posted by Mika_Zahard

Wrong. People DO leave on all DCs. i play in all 3 NA DCs and i've seen people leaving. Its a matter of who wants to take the bullet. If one person leaves, its very very likely others will follow suit.

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I mean, sure, people probably do indeed leave on all DCs, but I've seen it maybe...twice? Three times in my 10ish years in this game on a Japanese DC. They're not wrong about it not being an issue on many DCs. I'd say it is a non issue in my experience.

I'm not saying it's an ideal situation, wonderfully balanced or whatever, just commenting on the fact that, imho, people don't really leave that often in my experience.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I'm kinda hoping that they move Crystal Tower raids to MSQ roulette if they remove Castrum and Praetorium. That way I can enjoy Alliance Raid roulette again. lol

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I hope they make Cast/Prae trust instances, then rework MSQ to be any/all bottlenecks for MSQ progression. It should include particularly unpopular dungeons, trials and alliance raids that are required for progression. Stuff like Shinryu, stuff like Crystal Tower, stuff like the core expansion-final dungeons, like Amaurot (the level 60, 70, 80, 90 final dungeons).

There's no reason the roulettes can't overlap, even though that might mean getting the same exact thing twice in one day (eg. Shinryu for Trial, and again for MSQ).

Moreover, if they go this route, I think it should be a one time thing- if you abandon it, you just forfeit MSQ for the day entirely to prevent people from leaving longer things (like the Amaurot dungeon) in favor of fast-easy facerolls.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I hope they make Cast/Prae trust instances, then rework MSQ to be any/all bottlenecks for MSQ progression. It should include particularly unpopular dungeons, trials and alliance raids that are required for progression. Stuff like Shinryu, stuff like Crystal Tower, stuff like the end-cap dungeons (the level 60, 70, 80, 90 final dungeons).

There's no reason the roulettes can't overlap, even though that might mean getting the same exact thing twice in one day (eg. Shinryu for Trial, and again for MSQ).

Moreover, if they go this route, I think it should be a one time thing- if you abandon it, you just forfeit MSQ for the day entirely.

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I like where you are going with this, though I don't agree with the day long penalty for leaving. Sometimes things happen or the party is simply too far gone to help.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I like where you are going with this, though I don't agree with the day long penalty for leaving. Sometimes things happen or the party is simply too far gone to help.

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That's true- there should be some way to discourage leaving..but maybe it's 3 strikes in a week, or something.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I'm kinda hoping that they move Crystal Tower raids to MSQ roulette if they remove Castrum and Praetorium. That way I can enjoy Alliance Raid roulette again. lol

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y'all are brave souls because I would take 100 crystal towers over the Ivalice raids any day lol, I eat the floor more than actually play the game in any of those raids

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Originally Posted by Padudu

y'all are brave souls because I would take 100 crystal towers over the Ivalice raids any day lol, I eat the floor more than actually play the game in any of those raids

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Try running CT since ARR almost daily/weekly and then get back to me. :p They were fun back then when mechanics still needed to be done, and even then some of them were being skipped by the end of ARR.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I'm kinda hoping that they move Crystal Tower raids to MSQ roulette if they remove Castrum and Praetorium. That way I can enjoy Alliance Raid roulette again. lol

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I hope they don't. I get stuck with enough Nier. I wish I could reverse unlocking those. But I can't see any reason they need to remove MSQ roulette even if they make a Trust version.

Since the intent of the MSQ roulette is to have people fill out groups to help people needing the run for their MSQ, I'd love to see all dungeons, trials, and raids required to progress in the MSQ be moved to the MSQ roulette. As much as I appreciate the CT raids for their ease and general time vs. tome gain via a separate selection, we really do need variety in the MSQ stuff.

It would also be good to have each Leveling and MSQ roulette give normalized XP based on the level of the job going in. Every non-new player, not just Player In Need, should also get an XP bonus for their first run of the day. It's nice to be able to get extra XP and tomestones in the other roulette categories, but if the Leveling and MSQ roulettes were the best mode of XP gain I can only see this benefitting the entire player base.

Let all the other types of content; Alliance Raids, 50/60/70/80 dungeons, Normal Raids, etc stay in their respective roulette options with normalized XP gain relative to dungeons of the level of the job going in.