Just some concerns about roulettes (read, rant)

[StarkeRegulus]

Hi, how are you doing?

Not sure this post is going anywhere but I personally feel that this needs to be addressed right away. Roulettes are an issue, particularly the PVP and MSQ ones but "all" in general have some issues.

First, the MSQ roulette. People are leaving Castrum in mass as soon as they realize it's not Praetorium. Most of my runs (and I usually run with 1 or 2 sprouts from my FC for a 20% mentor bonus meaning 3 people are guaranteed to stay) end up with 2~4 players leaving right away as soon as the duty starts and a few more going AFK during the duty. This might be even worse as a solo queue.

This is an obvious problem that needs to be fixed. It seems like EW became the big Castrum exodus, and why? Because a lot of people had already maxed out their DoW/DoM pre-EW. When Endwalker came and with it a new level cap, people rushed to level all their classes again and they don't want to waste time on a roulette that gives only a percentage of what the alternative gives for similar time but a lot more effort since Praetorium is "run", fight small group of mobs, "run", cutscene, boss, small mech area, cutscene, boss, cutscene, boss, cutscene, boss, cutscene, boss. You can spend most of this time ALT+TABbed doing something else or watching a show on a streaming service.

Don't worry, I'm not going to suggest you implement a system in which if everyone votes they can skip the video as I know that would just cause griefing with veterans yelling at first timers to vote skip "or else" (potential kicks and/or general harassment).

The PVP roulette is actually possibly worse and unless some sort of "rating" level is added or other solution, you will still be rank 50 and be paired with a bunch of people that have no clue what they're doing or the most common, auto-run in their mounts to the enemy base so they can get killed and respawn, rinse repeat until duty is over to avoid getting AFK-Kicked because "I am only here for the XP". Yes, those guys with 12~14 deaths in your team, they don't suck horribly at the game, they're dying on purpose.

Trials and Alliance Raids? People remove their clothing so they fail the ilvl requirements of harder content so they don't get queued for it and re-equip it as soon as they find queue. After all, why do a Nier raid or Asphodelos trials when I can do simple and fast crystal towers or ARR trials? The %bonus EXP is the same.

I have many other concerns like how you guys sold a pre-order earring in which the biggest selling point was "you get to keep it even when Endwalker comes out" and instantly made the earring obsolete by announcing the stat crunching much further down the road, and I certainly won't be discussing class/job balance because those are like discussing politics or religion, I'll leave it for the devs and there's plenty of people already voicing these concerns with a lot more pull in the community (IE: Xenosys for instance).

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[StarkeRegulus]

Not even going to touch the cesspool that is the novice network circle jerk and how it's more likely to alienate new players than to encourage them to ask questions. It should be a question and answer channel. What it is in reality is a "goooood mowning NN, how are you doing X person chan? How about you Y person kun?! Let's talk about what color should I paint my nails today!"

Can we just get a "we're working on it" or an acknowledgement of the Roulette issues by the development team? We understand how more than a good source of XP and one decent source of tomes, roulettes exist so players can "volunteer" to help others who are trying to find parties for specific duties to get into those parties, but right now the experience can be quite subpar.

I don't know, just felt like bringing these concerns to you since usually you guys say "we don't see those concerns in the forums" so here I am doing my part.

Thanks for this amazing game, it brings me much joy. Thank you for reading.

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[IckeDerTyp]

It's a problem in people's minds! I don't think SE could do anything about it.

People don't play for the sake of playing ... Its all about "min-/Maxing time/use and being rewarded, endorphins".

Get used to it, that's how games are nowadays ^^

[StarkeRegulus]

It's a problem in people's minds! I don't think SE could do anything about it.

People don't play for the sake of playing ... Its all about "min-/Maxing time/use and being rewarded, endorphins".

Get used to it, that's how games are nowadays ^^

And people only steal because they think they can get away with it, your point?

You take away the need for stealing and anyone that is not a kleptomaniac will stop stealing, same logic you take away people's motivation to do something that is "wrong" and they'll stop doing it. Encouraging and "getting used to it" is most certainly not the way to fix something.

[Skiros]

The PVP roulette is actually possibly worse and unless some sort of "rating" level is added or other solution, you will still be rank 50 and be paired with a bunch of people that have no clue what they're doing or the most common, auto-run in their mounts to the enemy base so they can get killed and respawn, rinse repeat until duty is over to avoid getting AFK-Kicked because "I am only here for the XP". Yes, those guys with 12~14 deaths in your team, they don't suck horribly at the game, they're dying on purpose.

The only PvP ranking that matters is your Feast MMR and that's no longer a thing.

They are never going to add MMR to the casual PvP mode.

I for one would love a segregated DF where good players can group up with other group players but sadly that will hurt too many feelings.

[TaleraRistain]

It may be different by DC, but people leaving Castrum on Aether isn't really an issue. The party fills back up again in no time even if everyone but 1 or 2 people leave. There are enough who run with what they get that balance out those who leave so the roulette isn't affected that much.

[Erik501]

It may be different by DC, but people leaving Castrum on Aether isn't really an issue. The party fills back up again in no time even if everyone but 1 or 2 people leave. There are enough who run with what they get that balance out those who leave so the roulette isn't affected that much.

For now... until enough of those people who run with what the roulette rolls get so sick of it that they stop queuing at all like I did myself one month ago.

[TaleraRistain]

For now... until enough of those people who run with what the roulette rolls get so sick of it that they stop queuing at all like I did myself one month ago.

I'm leveling again now but I run the roulette daily for easy tomes at max level and have done for months now and it's just not a problem on Aether.

[Nanne]

The PVP roulette is actually possibly worse and unless some sort of "rating" level is added or other solution, you will still be rank 50 and be paired with a bunch of people that have no clue what they're doing

Frontline roulette mostly exist for the purpose of people getting a quick and fun/casual match. The grand company ranks have nothing to do with anyone's PvP performance because you just eventually get to max rank just by playing daily. Also PvP isn't that popular that you could start splitting the player base into multiple brackets cause the mode still needs 72 players to happen

[kaynide]

MSQ is a rather notorious problem that honestly should be reworked into a trust instance w/ the Scions.

Something I often say here: I wish the next expansion would be a TLC, with some new zones interconnecting existing ones or build off of existing ones with a focus on just fixing back-burner issues like this, trust/squadron issues, the jumping physics engine, viera/hrothgar hats…etc etc.

Just use 1 expansion to handle and future proof a little, and it could go a long way.