What actually happened to white mage?

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

The problem is, while the WHM can in theory dish out the most healing, but the game is balanced so the weakest healer can still do enough healing, this gives the WHM too much healing options. As a result of that restriction, damage becomes the primary measurement of players, which is obviously the weakest part of the WHM, as all that damage was exchanged for healing power. Healing power that becomes obsolete.
Healing requirements are often that low that oGCD healing is enough in most cases. Again a weak WHM aspect.
This just tells me that there simply is not enough damage going on to get the most out of healers to begin with.

Either the healing requirements need to increase (potentialy disrupting other roles too much), in such way that GCD healing becomes the default for all healer roles. Or damage has to be made consistent enough for all roles. Which due to the WHM's GCD nature is a hard part to adjust (yet a key aspect that defines the WHM playstyle - which you normaly dont want to adjust). I think lilies becoming oGCD is the easiest change they can do, but also the most dull change.

I think the better fix would be to make healers simply become more healing dependant in higher difficulty raids/dungeons. Their damage should at that point become mostly irrelevant (which is needed in order to prevent healers becoming judged by damage output). Healers should be healing, its their name. And that is what currently is simply not going on.

The only reason a healer cant go without damage is because solo quests demand damage.

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Do not forget the amount of mitigation usage and shield is more value than heal, WHM is after dmg healer , which most of other healer are more emphasize on pre dmg. If you look the data carefully the ratio of amount of healing for WHM vs shield healer is typically 40% vs 60% in end game content, and also WHM is the only healer which emphasize a lot more on dmg parse than any other healer cuz WHM can’t really do any GCD heal in end game unless is nessassry

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

It's not.

Benediction, Tetragrammaton, Assize, Asylum, Afflatus Solace, Afflatus Rapture, Liturgy of the Bell and Plenary Indulgence don't need any MP to use.

If for some reason you use Cure, then there is 15% chance the next Cure II will cost no MP.

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Dont you lose all lilies if you die?

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Dont you lose all lilies if you die?

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Yup, and each lily is 30 secs , and there is no other method to generate beside waiting

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

If for some reason you use Cure, then there is 15% chance the next Cure II will cost no MP.

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You realistically never use Cure I at levels 50+. Freecure is a bait and some fall for it doing Cure I on big wall pull just to get a free Cure II when their mana bar is full anyway.

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Originally Posted by WhiteWitch

Welp, i never thought my first post would be complaining

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I'd bet that a good proportion of first posts involve complaining about something.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

It's not.

Benediction, Tetragrammaton, Assize, Asylum, Afflatus Solace, Afflatus Rapture, Liturgy of the Bell and Plenary Indulgence don't need any MP to use.

If for some reason you use Cure, then there is 15% chance the next Cure II will cost no MP.

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You lose access to Rapture and Solace for 30s after death.

Benediction and Liturgy are on 3 minute CDs and most likely are not up. After a death, WHM is using Bene on themselves and Liturgy only works when the WHM is taking damage, generally the last thing you want to do after a death thus delaying the heal from Liturgy by 15s.

Assize is used on CD because of the MP restore and Damage so can't realistically be used for healing unless oncoming damage aligns with its usage, which is rare.

Tetra is on a 60s CD while alternatives on other healers are on a much more generous 40/45s CD.

Asylum is 90s vs the other healers 60s.

Plenary Indulgence just boosts your AoE healing and doesn't do any direct healing on its own meaning you either have to use MP or a Lily to trigger it. In contrast, Horoscope with no MP use at all at least heals for 200 potency on its own.

WHM is stuck in a spot where it's bad but popular because the alternative, AST, despite being a powerhouse just isn't fun.

The devs only see that AST isn't popular and WHM is, so they buff AST and assume WHM is fine. AST continues to be bloated and not much fun to play but buffed to insane levels, WHM becomes even worse by comparison, and the cycle continues.

The devs seem incapable of realizing that the only problem with AST is gameplay and WHM is only hanging by a thread because they won't fix AST.

The other reason WHM is staying afloat is because healing is ridiculously easy, so even a terrible class can pull through without GCD heals. That's not good game design. From P3S WHM popularity suddenly plummets.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

It's not.

Benediction, Tetragrammaton, Assize, Asylum, Afflatus Solace, Afflatus Rapture, Liturgy of the Bell and Plenary Indulgence don't need any MP to use.

If for some reason you use Cure, then there is 15% chance the next Cure II will cost no MP.

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Cure 400 MP
Cure II 1000 MP

400+400=800
+400= 1.200 MP.

OOps you just lost MP by trying to get the 15% chance freecure

Tetra is fine but weaker than Cure II now, which is insulting, Assize is fine
Asylum??? Is a hot, it wont save you from much after death, are you okay?
Bell?? 3 Minutes cooldown, you really gonna use it after YOU die?

You lose all lillies, as said. No free heals for you if you dont live for 30 seconds.

Plenary only works together with medica/II, Cure 3 and Rapture. Free in one of 3 cases, which the free one being lost upon death.

Are you doing okay?

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

WHM is stuck in a spot where it's bad but popular because the alternative, AST, despite being a powerhouse just isn't fun.

The devs only see that AST isn't popular and WHM is, so they buff AST and assume WHM is fine. AST continues to be bloated and not much fun to play but buffed to insane levels, WHM becomes even worse by comparison, and the cycle continues.

The devs seem incapable of realizing that the only problem with AST is gameplay and WHM is only hanging by a thread because they won't fix AST.

The other reason WHM is staying afloat is because healing is ridiculously easy, so even a terrible class can pull through without GCD heals. That's not good game design. From P3S WHM popularity suddenly plummets.

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Speak for yourself. AST is the only healer in EW that doesn't cause me to fall asleep. The other three healers are braindead.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Speak for yourself. AST is the only healer in EW that doesn't cause me to fall asleep. The other three healers are braindead.

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Eh, I'm pretty sure he speak for ALOT of people, because all the things he said is correct from an objective point of view, while yours seem to coming of as a bit egocentric. And I don't even know you are aware, but you're basically agree with what he said 100%. (Ask yourself why you doesn't fall asleep on AST while consider the other 3 braindead, and Liam's post is basically the explanation).


I personally don't think there is an issue with WHM, and if there is it is not as bad as people think. There is nothing wrong with the philosophy behind the design of the class, the problem is more on the players that can not reconcile the fact. Yes, it has been saying repeatly, but that doesn't make it become any less of a fact: WHM is a mechanically simple healers that would allow new players to pick up easily and do their expected role fairy well. And by role, I mean "keep the party alive while contribute enough DPS that it's not a deadweight". So in term of ratio of skill-level and expected output, WHM is fine.

It only becomes NOT fine when people start talking about the meta and making comparison they shouldn't be making in the first place. There is literally no point in comparing WHM to any other healers, and especially not to an AST. A new AST will peform 10x worse than a new WHM, just like there would be no justice if a WHM can match an AST in performance while doing a lot less.


I feel the complains about current WHM is a "I want a cake and eat it too" argument. And I'm saying that as a main WHM from 2.0-5.0, and currently a 6.0 AST main although I still keep up with WHM. And before anyone ask, the decision for me switching was made long before 6.0 dropped due to the static need, and have nothing to do with the state of WHM in 6.0