My first experience at tanking

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

I notice that some people have issues with control as well in public groups. Just because you are a tank doesn't mean you dominate everyone and everything. It simply means you take aggro. It doesn't mean you are leader and how dare anyone attempt to take your lead.

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I take issue with that statement. Why? Because I make the judgement call. I can just let any DPS die if their behaviour is not appropriate. I chose tank because I want to dominate, otherwise if damage was the most important aspect of the game I'd pick DPS. By taking the lead off the tank you are basically a tank yourself, but don't play a tank when you could. I see this as a symptom of a remaining system taken off the game that used to give Tanks plenty of managing rights. My biggest issue is not putting my ego before anyone but some DPS running infront of me thinking I wasn't about to pull every mob anyway. It goes both ways really.

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Originally Posted by Awha

That this the thing that mindset is dated. It serves no real purpose since in this game not much changes for the tank when it comes to trash. It is mostly a comfort thing and and senseless tank flex that helps and serves nothing.

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Dated or not here's a lot of places in this game where if you pull something as a dps before your tank, you can die very quickly without them having the time to react. In Baldesion Arsenal, trash mobs are pulled one by one sometimes and if you attack before your tank you can get one shot. Bosses in savages sometimes do a double auto-attack on pull, I'm not sure why but this can easily destroy a dps on minimum ilvl if you early pull even half a second before your tank. So while this doesn't matter at all in dungeons because mobs don't hit hard at all, it's still not a thing one should make a habit of.

Overall, just let your tanks pull the mobs. And tanks, if your dps has the aggro of some mob for whatever reason please give them a hand. Aggroing as a dps serves no purposes unless you're actually bringing the mobs to your tank instead of running around like a chicken. Purposedly not taking the aggro of what your dps took is as detrimental as it slows everyone else and makes it very annoying for the healer.

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Originally Posted by Shin96

I chose tank because I want to dominate

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You chose tank for the wrong reason then. Unless you mean dominating your enemies, which I don't think is entirely the case.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

You chose tank for the wrong reason then. Unless you mean dominating your enemies, which I don't think is entirely the case.

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Way to go. Funny thing is I pull every enemy I see in the dungeon but yeah, seeing a greedy DPS die is definitely up the list of things I enjoy seeing in this game for all the wrong reasons. Everything else in this game doesn't really bother me. Also a tank is dominating in nature since pulling enemies and staying at the top of aggro if your goal, except the game has thrown that out in favour of casual play.

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Originally Posted by Shin96

Way to go. Funny thing is I pull every enemy I see in the dungeon but yeah, seeing a greedy DPS die is definitely up the list of things I enjoy seeing in this game for all the wrong reasons. Everything else in this game doesn't really bother me.

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Well, at least you're self aware.

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Originally Posted by Shin96

I take issue with that statement. Why? Because I make the judgement call. I can just let any DPS die if their behaviour is not appropriate. I chose tank because I want to dominate, otherwise if damage was the most important aspect of the game I'd pick DPS. By taking the lead off the tank you are basically a tank yourself, but don't play a tank when you could. I see this as a symptom of a remaining system taken off the game that used to give Tanks plenty of managing rights. My biggest issue is not putting my ego before anyone but some DPS running infront of me thinking I wasn't about to pull every mob anyway. It goes both ways really.

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In a roulette, really ? Does it hurt your feelings when an underling snatches that punk squid in sastasha ?
Come talk to me when you're my raid leader.

Omgod I can't, are we talking about tank managing rights ? I am dying lol. Baby Zodiark help me because if I could summon my chocobo in a roulette I would.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

In a roulette, really ? Does it hurt your feelings when an underling snatches that punk squid in sastasha ?
Come talk to me when you're my raid leader.

Omgod I can't, are we talking about tank managing rights ? I am dying lol. Baby Zodiark help me because if I could summon my chocobo in a roulette I would.

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Yeah, I don't think they realize just how big of a fool they made of themselves. I really don't.

Typical passive-aggressive response coming from someone that has little to no consideration for new players that might struggle with tanking. I made my case, but I'm going to argue in favour of why a DPS shouldn't pull wall to wall.

Imagine this: A tank has run out of CD's to use and the healer isn't the most skilled person in the world. What could go wrong? DPS pulls more enemies and everyone wipes. You go back to the starting point having wasted my time and yours. Imagine ending up having Aurum Vale which is a very difficult dungeon for example. A DPS pulls the first room everyone dies. Even a tank has to be mindful in here. You could potentially wipe more than once and run the risk of disbanding because a DPS puts their greed above working in a team. Another thing that could happen is you have a tank with an anxiety problem (tanxiety), you completly disregard them by letting a DPS pull the whole dungeon. In your world every dungeon run might be successful, but I've been playing for a long time and I've witnessed various cases of these events happening.

Now of course, none of this might happen. Regardless of what your opinion is or mine, I believe there's instances where this whole act might go wrong. If you play in a group or setting of people you personally know that's totally fine but there's people that don't share your view and by enforcing your view on them, you are essentially doing which you accuse others of: Dominating.

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Originally Posted by Shin96

Typical passive-aggressive response coming from someone that has little to no consideration for new players that might struggle with tanking. I made my case, but I'm going to argue in favour of why a DPS shouldn't pull wall to wall.

Imagine this: A tank has run out of CD's to use and the healer isn't the most skilled person in the world. What could go wrong? DPS pulls more enemies and everyone wipes. You go back to the starting point having wasted my time and yours. Imagine ending up having Aurum Vale which is a very difficult dungeon for example. A DPS pulls the first room everyone dies. Even a tank has to be mindful in here. You could potentially wipe more than once and run the risk of disbanding because a DPS puts their greed above working in a team. Another thing that could happen is you have a tank with an anxiety problem (tanxiety), you completly disregard them by letting a DPS pull the whole dungeon. In your world every dungeon run might be successful, but I've been playing for a long time and I've witnessed various cases of these events happening.

Now of course, none of this might happen. Regardless of what your opinion is or mine, I believe there's instances where this whole act might go wrong. If you play in a group or setting of people you personally know that's totally fine but there's people that don't share your view and by enforcing your view on them, you are essentially doing which you accuse others of: Dominating.

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"B-b-but the new players!" isn't a good argument to make after everything you've said previously. You know, since you have the apparent need to dominate everything.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

"B-b-but the new players!" isn't a good argument to make after everything you've said previously. You know, since you have the apparent need to dominate everything.

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Yes because that's my role. They'll be confident enough knowing I take the weight off their shoulders and you haven't actually adressed anything of what I was saying. I will not change my playstyle even if you use the worst insults on me. I will continue to play Sheriff in this game and make sure that DPS don't enforce their idea of what a tank is supposed to be. I am a jerk of course, might not be the kindest, but you and this other guy really want it your way clearly. Like I said, accept that not everyone wants to do it that way.