Can we please have more options to lower graphics settings?

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

Look I run a gaming laptop with an Intel i7 7700HQ, 16 gigs of Ram, and a GeForce 1060GTX.

That's not some kind of obsolete system by any means... and the particle effects during Raids especially Alliance raids like Copied Factory can really slow it to a chug at times and its only during those types of situations so there is something to be said about turning down particle effects.

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How about Character Config, Character, Battle Effects Settings. Party, Show Limited, or Show None. (I have mine on limited, just so I can see bad stuff on the floor.)

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Benchmarks are more of an indication of potential performance than an actual undisputed grade. The only true test is playing the actual game.

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

Not really, Benchmarks are designed as a WORST CASE SCENARIO, they're designed to test and thus they stress the machine to the limit of its capabilities of running the software. That's why its called a "Benchmark" and not a "Software that will show you what you MIGHT get"

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not a "worse case scenario" ...at all

Benchmarks aren't there to do anything except show you how your computer performs while doing whatever said benchmark does. In this instance, playing a game. You can change settings to get better worse performance so you know where you are comfortable playing at (is it grainy etc) anyways yea

THATS why its called a benchmark, because the user can use it AS A BENCHMARK TO SEE HOW

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Benchmarks, at least in the case of xiv, should be enough to bring the heatsinks on low end equipment to their heat soak, if that's going to be an issue. You won't see a large heat differential in laptops between the benchmark and normal gameplay, for the most part.

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I personally cannot comment on the accuracy of the FFXIV benchmark, but I have encountered others in the past that gave misleading results due to the benchmark itself not lasting long enough to make heat issues obvious. So I think it is possible it could happen with the FFXIV benchmark.

Anyone who wants to truly test their pc performance, and knows what they're doing, won't use something as niche as a benchmark for one specific game. They would use software that does more generalised stress testing, and these stress tests typically last a lot longer than the duration of the FFXIV benchmark.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoints

Benchmarks aren't there to do anything except show you how your computer performs while doing whatever said benchmark does.

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And this is why people sometimes use more than one piece of software to stress test and/or analyse the performance of their machine. Different benchmarks test for different things. I frequently have seen people use both Furmark and another separate piece of software to monitor cpu core use and heat.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Somehow accidentally deleted my post instead of editing it, derp.

Benchmarks sometimes don't quite take heat into account because very often the duration of the benchmark itself is far shorter than a gaming session. So you might get an okay enough result for a benchmark, but in an actual gaming session you might find that the longer you play the worse your performance gets due to heat issues.

Certainly the FFXIV benchmarks are far shorter than most people would play in a normal gaming session.

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I'm sorry but if your computer can run the benchmark perfectly fine, but not the game due to "heat issues" thats a problem with the computer and only something you can fix by blowing out dust or re-applying thermal paste. SE don't need to add lower graphical options for an almost decade old game just because you're too lazy to maintain your PC/console by blowing through it with compressed air every few years.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoints

not a "worse case scenario" ...at all

Benchmarks aren't there to do anything except show you how your computer performs while doing whatever said benchmark does. In this instance, playing a game. You can change settings to get better worse performance so you know where you are comfortable playing at (is it grainy etc) anyways yea

THATS why its called a benchmark, because the user can use it AS A BENCHMARK TO SEE HOW

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This is hardly true. You know why? Because you dont "play" anything while you're running the benchmark - its running through a sequence, its a basis for standardised performance and thus if you can only just about get 30fps on the lowest settings on a benchmark, you cant expect the actual game, with you PLAYING and INTERACTING with it, to be as such, therefore, its a worst case scenario, or by some measures even a best case scenario.

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

I'm sorry but if your computer can run the benchmark perfectly fine, but not the game due to "heat issues" thats a problem with the computer and only something you can fix by blowing out dust or re-applying thermal paste. SE don't need to add lower graphical options for an almost decade old game just because you're too lazy to maintain your PC/console by blowing through it with compressed air every few years.

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Since both the OP and his friend have laptops, this is also worth mentioning: some laptops have poor thermal design and just plain can't run at full load for long periods of time, even if they are squeaky clean. When purchasing a laptop for gaming, it pays to read reviews for this kind of thing and not just buy the cheapest model with the specs you want.

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Originally Posted by tdb

Since both the OP and his friend have laptops, this is also worth mentioning: some laptops have poor thermal design and just plain can't run at full load for long periods of time, even if they are squeaky clean. When purchasing a laptop for gaming, it pays to read reviews for this kind of thing and not just buy the cheapest model with the specs you want.

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A can of compressed air is like £5 on amazon. It's simple - Just power down the PC/laptop, blow the can through it a few times, and boom. If they're still having issues in thermals then its their own fault for trying to play on a machine not designed for the task, in which i'll bring up my original argument that that PC required specs are listed on any store page you buy it from. No ammount of lowerered graphical settings is going to stop a PC from overheating it it doesnt pass muster to run it smoothly in the first place.

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

If they're still having issues in thermals then its their own fault for trying to play on a machine not designed for the task

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This is what I was saying. I just wanted to note that even a laptop which ostensibly has enough power may not be designed for the task of using all that power continuously. Some manufacturers unfortunately pick powerful components but then cut corners on thermal design to bring the price and/or weight down. So you need to look at more than just the listed specs of the machine.

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Originally Posted by tdb

This is what I was saying. I just wanted to note that even a laptop which ostensibly has enough power may not be designed for the task of using all that power continuously. Some manufacturers unfortunately pick powerful components but then cut corners on thermal design to bring the price and/or weight down. So you need to look at more than just the listed specs of the machine.

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And again...how is that the games fault if that's the case? Why should SE spend money and time they would otherwise spend making new content, for every tom dick and harry and bought the equivalent of a house with no openable windows, who also complain they can't open them?
Weird metaphors aside, very few modern machines are like that, with exception to maybe some macbooks. Any machine that cant run FF14 of all things, for extended periods of time even with proper maintenance, are little more than glorified internet browser machines.

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

And again...how is that the games fault if that's the case? Why should SE spend money and time they would otherwise spend making new content, for every tom dick and harry and bought the equivalent of a house with no openable windows, who also complain they can't open them?

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Where did I say it was the game's fault or that SE should do anything about it?

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

I'm sorry but if your computer can run the benchmark perfectly fine, but not the game due to "heat issues" thats a problem with the computer and only something you can fix by blowing out dust or re-applying thermal paste. SE don't need to add lower graphical options for an almost decade old game just because you're too lazy to maintain your PC/console by blowing through it with compressed air every few years.

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I don't know why you're telling me this, I didn't suggest SE should allow people to lower graphics settings even more. My first post actually pretty much says I doubt SE would do it, and said that pc players need to keep up with technology changes.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Considering that SE have dropped ps3 support we can assume that players are expected to have a gaming rig that has a certain minimum requirement, which would be above what a ps3 can do.

I'm not against giving players more options to reduce the graphical intensity of the game, but I think SE want to maintain a certain aesthetic and they have decided that anything below a certain requirement goes against that. There comes a point in which turning down the graphics enough can seriously change how a game looks.

If you're getting below 15 fps in instances your gaming rig is in serious need of an upgrade. I understand that for some people this means spending money they do not have, but this is how it is with gaming. If you don't keep up with how technology moves on you're going to run into problems. Pc gaming is not a cheap hobby.

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Dunno about you but the above post doesn't look like something someone would say if they think SE should cater to people like OP. Really I am very puzzled how me saying "benchmarks aren't always a god-given indication of performance" meant I said "SE need to allow lower graphics settings". I am personally not against the introduction of even lower graphics settings but I don't think SE would be up for doing it for the reasons stated above, nor do I think they should because their game already doesn't demand an amazing rig.

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Originally Posted by tdb

This is what I was saying. I just wanted to note that even a laptop which ostensibly has enough power may not be designed for the task of using all that power continuously. Some manufacturers unfortunately pick powerful components but then cut corners on thermal design to bring the price and/or weight down. So you need to look at more than just the listed specs of the machine.

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It's only really worth getting a laptop instead of a desktop pc if you have reasons such as not having the space for a desktop, or you legitimately need a machine you can carry around with you. If a person has the option to get a desktop pc for gaming, then they should get one instead. Laptops are notorious for getting heat issues because they are often not as efficient as a desktop when it comes to cooling. There are laptops specifically for gaming that of course work better than a generic laptop that happens to have a nice graphics card, but those are often super expensive and frequently are a lot more expensive than a desktop pc with similar spec.