Mentors - What is expected really?

Mentor's one job is explain to people to not use duty finder for extreme trials and instead put them unsynced in party finder.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Glorified queue filler.
Nothing more.

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Uh huh...yeaaaaahhhhh no. We 've already been over that. Are you looking to contribute to the discussion or you just looking to increase your post count again?

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

Uh huh...yeaaaaahhhhh no. We 've already been over that. Are you looking to contribute to the discussion or you just looking to increase your post count again?

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He's not wrong. Mentor roulette literally exists to fill queues.

Also, your post added nothing to the discussion.

Welp. As someone who wears the crown, I try to help whenever I can. My knowledge of things stop at Savage, Extreme, and high-level crafting content, so for that, I just refer people to someone more qualified to answer their questions.

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Originally Posted by pacifist0rz

Mentor's one job is explain to people to not use duty finder for extreme trials and instead put them unsynced in party finder.

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Mentor's job is to patiently mentor people through the ex trials in mentor roullete instead of insisting they never get to experience content as intended.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

Mentor's job is to patiently mentor people through the ex trials in mentor roullete instead of insisting they never get to experience content as intended.

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Mentors are players just like anyone else. When the Ex party goes in there clueless, gets the mechanics fed to them patiently, and they still refuse to abide by it because the sprouts wanted a frigging carry (this has happened too many times to count, mostly in Ramuh ex), no, Mentors don't owe anyone anything special. We don't pay our subs so we can do a thankless job.
Yes, if we wear the Mentor crown (which we have to when queueing for the roulette) we should be at least so helpful. But we're not saints, we're not expected to be saints, and we're certainly not getting paid to display the kind of attitude and responsibility people here expect us to.

Also, "content as intended" - some might argue extreme primals are PF material. So you know, that's a debate in and of itself and occasionally you'll see the thread pop up on the forums asking for that content to be removed from the mentor roulette. Only times I saw that sort of content be cleared was:
1. Odin, after numerous wipes
2. Ultima
3. 6+ mentors in the party carrying the remaining sprouts to victory - which is also not "content as intended"

I usually don't wear the Mentor Crown because I still feel like a noob in some content. But I do give out tips whenever I can, whether or not I'm wearing the crown. And Novice Network just seems like a Mentor-only chat since sprouts don't really chat in Novice Network so I've sort of stopped using NN. In the end, Mentors are just players, but with more experience under their belt than brand new players.

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

Uh huh...yeaaaaahhhhh no. We 've already been over that. Are you looking to contribute to the discussion or you just looking to increase your post count again?

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I don't post just for the sake of posting.
If you'd like to discuss it, I'm happy to oblige. A short blunt answer was all that was needed, I think. However I'm always happy to expand on anything.

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Originally Posted by MeganLynn

No, it's people with this type of attitude that are the worse players in the game. I would take a mentor that doesn't know much but is willing to learn, over someone with this attitude.

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A mentor shouldn't be willing to learn. He should be willing to mentor less experienced players and to do so, he should have some solid knowledge of the game. However, given how easy it is to become a mentor, many mentors are not competent enough to offer useful advice to sprouts.

Not a single one of the requirements to become a mentor has anything to do with skill or knowledge of the game. As of now, the mentor system is only a way to let people wear a shiny crown and to fill queues faster, placing a big fat carrot (the only 2-seater obtainable by playing the game) at the end of an excruciatingly time consuming grind (2k mentor roulettes)

To the OP: don't bother with the mentor system. If you feel like you can help a player, by all means do so. But realize that the mentor status means absolutely nothing.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

He's not wrong. Mentor roulette literally exists to fill queues.

Also, your post added nothing to the discussion.

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You didn't read any other page in this post did you? We aren't talking about the Mentor roulettes, are are talking about the mentor system as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

THIS IS COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! This is so far off the mark that you are in China when you should be in New York!

SE did not make savage raiding a requirement to be a mentor. SE made mentor system to help low level players learn the game at a basic level. Basic rotations, general questions, and stuff like character config and system config. Novice Network is filled with new players still progressing through the game starting at level 1. The "New Adventurer" status is applied to all players who have less than 168 hours of play time and have not completed the quest The Far Edge of Fate, not players at end game raiding. Just because you have some twisted idea of what a mentor is supposed to be does not make it true.


No they aren't. The average mentor have the same gameplay skill as the non-mentor. You just have such a biased preconceived notion that mentors should be great at the game that when you run into a bad one, you notice the crown and take notice of it more. I'm sure you ran into a bunch of mentors who played just fine but you didn't notice they had a mentor crown on or you don't remember them because they played their role adequately so there was no noteworthy reason to remember them.

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

Mentor Roulettes came much later than the mentor system so no, it's not a scheme to get queues moving. And being able to do savage raiding and being a good mentor does not have much much in common. You can have a really really nasty and rude person be good at raiding and a mentor who is not good at raiding but can help teach new players about the game.

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

Mentors don't choose to be mentors to impress you. And like I said, I'm sure you run into plenty of people who had mentor crowns on who you don't remember because they didn't do anything noteworthy to be remembered for. They did whatever role adequately they sign up for in the dungeon. Ran a dungeon and it went smoothly? In what way is a mentor supposed to shine bright in that regard? Someone being bad at end game has NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with being a mentor. The requirements to obtain mentor are pretty low and the only extra systems they gain is novice network, which is for new players, and a regular "casual" content roulette. Yes you can become a mentor by being a healer that only heals, a tank that stays in tank stance only doing enmity rotation and AoE, and a DPS who doesn't hit all their oGCDs. Or you can become a mentor by making collectables with crafting and gathering while only ever doing each dungeon a grand total of once to unlock them. Show me where it says mentors have to be great at end game?

As long as mentor has a good attitude, share what knowledge they have, and helps new players learn the basics of the game, they have fulfilled the requirements of what SE wanted mentors to be. You need to stop equating mentors with something they are were not designed to be.

Basics of the game being:
How do I get to Limsa?
Where do I get my first mount?
How do I join a FC?
How to I enable more hotbars?
What is a basic rotation for a class?
Where do I go to unlock a job?

If a mentor is also a great at savage raiding and knows a job really well, thats great but it is bonus knowledge.

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Yeah, my posts haven't been adding anything to the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I don't post just for the sake of posting.
If you'd like to discuss it, I'm happy to oblige. A short blunt answer was all that was needed, I think. However I'm always happy to expand on anything.

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In what way was the Mentor System designed to be a "glorified queue filler" when the mentor roulettes (which was not even mentioned about at all in the original post) came much later than the Mentor System itself and Novice Network?