Loot going to the mail

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

This thread isn't asking for more inventory space, so this whole side discussion about mat hoarding is getting quite far off-topic. The request was to provide the opportunity to clear out space for loot, not to get the items without clearing space for them.

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I know. Even worse, OP desires to have loot they won and lost to be mailed to them. It's like me forgetting to pick something up before leaving and wanting it to be delivered directly to my door without any effort on my part. The OP accepts fault, but doesn't want to be accountable for the loss. This is simply a case of 'you snooze, you lose'.

The hoarding is not off-topic because it is exactly the reason why the OP found themselves in that situation. You have ample opportunity to ensure you have adequate space to accommodate loot drops. Going into a raid without sufficient inventory space for loot simply means you went in unprepared. When you do this, then the next thing you should prepare for are the consequences.

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Originally Posted by MiraKershaw

What is this even trying to say LOL , your point being what exactly if it "is" really that "simple" you really wouldn't need 6 retainers. Totally there's a lot of room guy with 2 retainers you just gotta get good and buy 4 more is what your saying

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How do you not understand the post? It was pretty simple to read. The amount of retainers I have is irrelevant to the actual post. The person is moaning about inventory issues and doesnt even have gatherers and crafters at max level. It means he is hoarding mats. Also I love how you left out the rest of my post which IS relevant

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoints

Also considering you have ZERO crafters at 70 tells me you are hoarding mats that you don't need. Unless you are leveling, you need to start dumping. If you are leveling crafting and gathering then you need to be efficient. Go out gather some mats for the crafter you are leveling, come back and craft what you gathered, and then sell it.

You need to plot your path to 70 on both, do a little research and see what you can craft to get to 70. Me personally, I look for the lowest material count item (lumber, leather, thread, Ingots, Nuggets, food components) then I use those items to craft other items, also with low material counts. Once im done I sell the stuff. It really IS that simple.

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There, i posted what you left out. You know, ALL the relevant stuff that pertains to the OP's problem. Don't half quote me just to make your post look good.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoints

The person is moaning about inventory issues and doesnt even have gatherers and crafters at max level.

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Correction: I have MIN at max level, and am actively levelling (and using) the other DoL/H, as well as desynth, don't discount inventory issues based on levels.

What MiraKershaw is trying to point out is that you say that inventory bloat is something that only happens to lazy people with poor space management, yet you actively pay to have 4x as much retainer space as me, I don't think you pay for that just to have different retainer glamours.

I will hold my hands up and say that maybe I can do more to manage my inventory, sure I can throw out some glamour items, maybe throw away some crafting mats that I saved for later, but ultimately why should I be required to? This QoL change is nothing but good (in concept, the mail thing has some iffy execution), and means that I'm not constantly under pressure to keep my inventory empty. I have had days where I spent the day crafting (especially on CUL), and the 20 free spaces I had I didn't notice were full, it happens to everyone, and it shouldn't need to be a problem.

To add on this, just remove the physical items from your inventory and turn them into a "token" under currency - so you save the inventory space for these items. That or just put them in the "Key Items" tab instead... Since we already have so many slots in there that will never be used.

What if they just allowed items to enter the Armoury Chest if your base inventory is full? It could be a "remove only" tag for any items in your Armoury Chest and it would allow players who have neglected to check their main inventory at least 10-15 space reprieve before actually running out of space. They clearly have the ability to have item slots tagged for X slot only, they should be capable of having a yes/no situation that simply states.

Is inventory full? yes.
Is Armoury Chest full? no.
-Place Item in first empty Armoury Chest Slot

This would potentially strain the server a lot less than having to add a concept in which the item now has to go through the mailing service from the instance you are in in order to be given to your character.

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Originally Posted by Airget

This would potentially strain the server a lot less than having to add a concept in which the item now has to go through the mailing service from the instance you are in in order to be given to your character.

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The better suggestion would be to add a system in which the item goes into temporary storage (Very much like the loot window when you open loot chests) and is discarded when you leave the instance. Honestly, with just 3 new inventory management systems, the dev team could fix inventory bloat permanently, those being loot overflow, glamour log, and a token menu (additional things like tackle box would help as well).

Then again... SE is making money off of additional retainers...

I hate to say it but FFXIV is pretty poor on QoL in comparison to other games; my friends in WoW frequently tease me over issues like this.

It wouldn't hurt the game at all to introduce a temporary feature like loot overflow (the postal system is very limited too, so I'm not sure posting items would work).

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

technicality. Ok, so I should have said it's about providing a more convenient or obvious opportunity. The point still remains. It's a simple QoL request that has nothing to do with the inventory bloat / hoarding argument. Nobody is arguing that they shouldn't have to clear space to get the loot, only to be given a chance to do so when needed if they'd missed preparing it in advance. Better designed games have such features, and it would be an improvement for FFXIV to have it too.

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This is exactly how I see it. It's unfortunate people just see the OP's personal inventory issues as the reason why we should not have this QoL

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Correction: I have MIN at max level, and am actively levelling (and using) the other DoL/H, as well as desynth, don't discount inventory issues based on levels.

What MiraKershaw is trying to point out is that you say that inventory bloat is something that only happens to lazy people with poor space management, yet you actively pay to have 4x as much retainer space as me

I will hold my hands up and say that maybe I can do more to manage my inventory, sure I can throw out some glamour items, maybe throw away some crafting mats that I saved for later, but ultimately why should I be required to? This QoL change is nothing but good (in concept, the mail thing has some iffy execution), and means that I'm not constantly under pressure to keep my inventory empty. I have had days where I spent the day crafting (especially on CUL), and the 20 free spaces I had I didn't notice were full, it happens to everyone, and it shouldn't need to be a problem.

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I pay for 6 retainers because I want too and have OCD issues. None of my retainers are even half full. I have them because I sort them by crafter (arm/bsm, ltw, wvr, alc/cul, crp, and gsm) I never said you were lazy, I said that you are hoarding items. There is a pretty big difference. ANY mmo, since the beginning of time of MMO's (and I have played them starting with UO) has inventory issues as far as a hoarder is concerned. Trust me, I used to be just like you, I had 2 retainers FULL OF GLAMOUR..yea, just glamour lol. When 4.0 hit i said enough is enough.

Why can't I discount inventory issues based on level? I've been there, I know what leveling to 50 and then to 60 and then to 70 is like and just like i said in my original post. You are doing it inefficiently.

As far as leveling your crafting it really is as simple as I said. Obviously there are a couple inside questions you need to ask yourself. Are you leveling DoH/DoL for personal? Monetary? Both? Most people its both in which I say, know your market. Find what you want to partake it and thats what you hoard. The rest is bloat as far as your needs are concerned.

Me for example, the market where my main is (this is an alt account) Is great on consumables (food/pots) and the odd food item that is a pita to get. So that is what I play to.

The bottom line is simple, you need to let go of nonsensical stuff. Old items from level 50 and below have very little worth compaired to items 60+ and all this stuff you are hoarding is why your retainers and inventory are full.


Now, I am not by any means saying that the inventory system in final fantasy is great. It's not, and we SHOULD be given more than 2 retainers (base retainers should be at LEAST 3, hell maybe even 4) with all things considering. I dont think it would change much for you though (or anyone like us), because a hoarder is still a hoarder. You will magically find a way to run out of space again (been there too lol)

You need to go through your retainers and get rid of all the stuff from 50 and below and just sell it on mb, vendor, or trash it. only hold on to the rare glamour piece that is hard to get (which shouldnt be much tbh)

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

This is exactly how I see it. It's unfortunate people just see the OP's personal inventory issues as the reason why we should not have this QoL

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Because it's a terrible idea, you can hold a max count of 25 iirc (im not in game to check) in your mailbox. For someone that cant manage their own inventory when you are LOOKING AT IT ALL DAY. Do you really think this is going to fix their problem? Newp it wont. How do you NOT know when your own inventory is full? there is this UI piece that has all these colored dots showing what space is left...


Look, I'm tired of inventory issues too. i'm tired of having to hold on to ANY glamour items whatsoever. (where is my glamour catalog) And i'm tired of them using "server strain, server load time, server insertrandomfirstserverproblemhere" as an excuse. They definitely need to step it up. But suggesting a terrible idea is still...... guess what? .... a terrible idea.

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Originally Posted by silverlunarfox

I've played a few MMO/MMORPG's lately and they always have either a tab or NPC for loot you cannot receive in your inventory. To see something like that in FFXIV would be nice.

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Now THIS, is a great idea!

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

This is exactly how I see it. It's unfortunate people just see the OP's personal inventory issues as the reason why we should not have this QoL

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That seems to be how a lot of forum suggestions go:

"Rather than requesting some fun new addition which harms nobody, you should all continue doing it the way I do it, even if it's not convenient or logical!"
"Male characters should have fewer outfits to protect us from the risk of some of them wearing skirts!"
"I have no trouble with telling the icons apart so that means your suggestion to improve visibility isn't needed!"
"If someone struggles with a new feature, maybe they should just play WoW instead rather than suggesting a really simple fix!"

Whatever the OP's inventory problems happen to be, the fact remains that having a grace period of some kind to obtain rewards instead of learning you screwed up after it's already too late to do anything about it would be a nice improvement for most people. It's never happened to me and probably never will as I'm ridiculously strict about keeping my bags tidy, but why are people so hung up on policing how others play even when their suggestion makes sense?

The GMs would probably appreciate fewer spurious GM calls requesting help for lost items, too. Saving S-E time and money, and thus justifying the change's existence. Done.