Kick Abuse

Scatter is 100 potency. At 3 mobs, it will do more damage than jolt/impact/verstone+fire (3x100 = 300 potency). You can weave in veraero+thunder here since it deals 300 potency too, and gives 5 more mana instead of just spamming scatter. However at 4 mobs, a single scatter does 400 potency. At 6 mobs, you're blasting 600 potency for every single cast. I'm sure you can understand that using single target spells on big pulls is not only terrible use of your spell kit, but a huge drag on the group as well... It is almost as bad as seeing melee dps with full TP on big pulls, something that deserves an equally harsh treatment. Why settle for bad play in a group situation? You're playing with completely unknown strangers, surely you want them to remember you as a valuable and competent player. And not some mouth breather that made them roll their eyes.

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Originally Posted by Casualty

I'm not sure you intended to sound this way, but what it sounds like you are saying is basically because people have access to level jump potions and speed leveling through Palace of the Dead that somehow exempts them from needing to know even the building blocks of their class when entering duty finder and that reason is because DPS queues are "stupid long".

Is that really what you wanted to say or am I misunderstanding?

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What I'm saying is the dev are making it so that people can just max level without a clue as to how to properly play and using the non existing (in game) playstyle difference excuse to kick people is a very bad idea... it's SEs fault for making leveling without understanding easy then allowing people to kick others for not playing the same way...

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

I think you're mistaking the fundamentals with "top tier playing."

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I'm not. What I'm saying is that people who resort to kicking immediately people who don't play as well as they would like are often the people who kick those who are doing just fine and not holding the group back, but aren't playing at a high level. It's an absolutely cancerous way of behaving.

Does a person not AoEing on a trash pull make things take a bit longer? Sure. But HOW MUCH longer? How many mobs were there? Regardless of what people think, AoEing on a pack of 3 mobs does not make it take much less time than single targeting them down (and for some classes and comps, it's actually faster to single target at that point than to AoE).

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Originally Posted by Whiterock

You're playing with completely unknown strangers, surely you want them to remember you as a valuable and competent player. And not some mouth breather that made them roll their eyes.

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If you spend that much time thinking about the opinions of people in DF, then chances are you need to step back a little bit. Trust me, other than a few exceptionally standout situations, people aren't going to remember every person that they played with that they didn't think played well. That's like 85% of the people that play this game anyways.

Bad play stands out, and bad players are experts at just turning a blind eye and keep the group going like the mindless automatons they are. It might be your sub, but you're dragging down 3 other people that pay just as much as you do. The slow car hogging the left lane on the highway is just as annoying as the person that plays badly in an already very easy and accessible mmo, that even went to great lengths to further lowering the skill floor in SB.

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Originally Posted by Kogekigami

I know its beating a dead horse but I wish we could get a proper answer from the developers not a gm.

Should a party be allowed to kick you for play style.

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I dont believe in vote kicking but its no reason for a rdm to be single targeting

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Originally Posted by Whiterock

Bad play stands out, and bad players are experts at just turning a blind eye and keep the group going like the mindless automatons they are. It might be your sub, but you're dragging down 3 other people that pay just as much as you do. The slow car hogging the left lane on the highway is just as annoying as the person that plays badly in an already very easy and accessible mmo, that even went to great lengths to further lowering the skill floor in SB.

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You know this is a video game right?

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Originally Posted by Elamys

You know this is a video game right?

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I sure do. Did you know that this is a team oriented game? Those 3 or 7 other people's time are just as valuable as your own, and if your playstyle directly affects their enjoyment of said content then they are in every right to remove you.

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Originally Posted by Whiterock

I sure do. Did you know that this is a team oriented game? Those 3 or 7 other people's time are just as valuable as your own, and if your playstyle directly affects their enjoyment of said content then they are in every right to remove you.

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I just wanted to make sure, because droning on about how people are mindless automatons when they're completing content at a perfectly acceptable rate sure does make it seem like perhaps you need to consider running with a premade.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

I just wanted to make sure, because droning on about how people are mindless automatons when they're completing content at a perfectly acceptable rate sure does make it seem like perhaps you need to consider running with a premade.

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Yes, surely we can't expect people to play at even a half decent level. Oh no that'd be bad, we might appear as some sorta tryhards that not only use cooldowns, but know how to play their job at a level that's above average! Single targeting when a tank pulls a large amount of mobs is not a way you're gonna make the run go at a "perfectly acceptable rate" either.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

In my opinion that just breeds elitism.

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The real "elitists" are not the people who expect you to know basic rotations that take less work than single target rotations to speed it up a bit, they are the people who want to make excuses for poor play and even poorer sportsmanship due to some "my sub" nonsense.

In the case of rdm aoe it takes less work than a single target rotation and making excuses for this is more elitist than expecting people to know the basic fundamentals.

The real toxicity rarely comes from the high end players who, lets be honest, tend to group together. It comes from the players who don't make any effort and don't care to demanding everyone else just deal with it because "its just a game" or the previously mentioned "my sub" yada yada.

I have played this game since beta v1 and have only been booted due to DC, likely because I always say hello/goodbye, try to help with tips when necessary and put at least a modicum of effort into even the most boring and faceroll content because I understand that being an mmo this game is more than just me me me me me me me. I also take constructive advice seriously and use it to improve my gameplay, not cry about being bullied for being asked to do the basics of my job.

Seriously, if you took the time you spend complaining on the forums or reddit and apply it to learning the game or trying at A B or C content, you wouldn't have these issues.