Yoshi P's Stance on Pld

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Originally Posted by ArdorGrey

Mainly plds spoiled by 2.x where they were always default MT and de facto solo tank on content where a second tank wasn't mandatory.

I'm not saying pld isn't in a bad spot now, but the amount of outrage seen over this is grossly inproportionate to the absolute lack of tantrums WAR mains ever threw when we weren't even wanted for half the content out there. Yes pld needs tweaks. But don't be goddamn babies just because you don't have a monopoly on the primary tank slot in all parties now.

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Not entirely sure about that; I do remember a cataclysmic increase in salt levels during that time. I will agree the relative difference between WAR and PLD back then was absolutely massive, compared to the current difference.

OP: Good, this is what I thought PLDs needed; hopefully it's done well.

If I remenber correctly it was roughly the same. Lots of WARs started asking for fixes when they started being excluded, a few legacy PLDs responded with almost an identical thing to current WARs - it was about time PLD got some action after two years of never being used for anything in 1.x

(The 1.x scenario was much worse. PLD was only used in 1 fight for all of 1.x - ifrit extreme. It was basically a class to stand in town on. 1.x had other such balance gems as WARx2 BLMx5 WHM and WAR WHM MNKx6 in its endgame - same director, same team.)

Salt levels were largely the same as well, it started with good natured attempts at discussing ways to change class balance for the better but was met with backlash and Yoshi saying it wasn't a problem. Then salt levels rose at the same time as people started getting on side, which was and is odd. I really don't think that time or this time were/are particularly salty though.

Most importantly: Persistence paid off.

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Originally Posted by MeeYow

The 1.x scenario was much worse. PLD was only used in 1 fight for all of 1.x - ifrit extreme. It was basically a class to stand in town on. 1.x had other such balance gems as WARx2 BLMx5 WHM and WAR WHM MNKx6 in its endgame - same director, same team.

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Indeed things were pretty bad back then.

I'm surprised people think PLDs want a monopoly on tanking. I was one of those PLDs who was saying WAR needed adjustments back in 2.0 because I wanted there to be parity between the tanks, so that both are interchangeable and can be used to clear content. When all tanks/heals/DPS can do all content without being excluded due to arbitrary bullshit, everyone wins.

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it started with good natured attempts at discussing ways to change class balance for the better but was met with backlash and Yoshi saying it wasn't a problem.

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This is also true, Yoshida going and saying people were doing it wrong was not helping in any way. I sort of wish I had challenged the devs to produce a WAR gameplay video showing exactly how they expected WAR to be played in coil, since according to them WAR was perfectly viable and fine.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

This is also true, Yoshida going and saying people were doing it wrong was not helping in any way. I sort of wish I had challenged the devs to produce a WAR gameplay video showing exactly how they expected WAR to be played in coil, since according to them WAR was perfectly viable and fine.

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Tbf, WAR was capable of doing all content in 2.0... just at a higher gear level. They expected the gear level required for WAR would also be the required gear level for PLD, but obviously that didn't hold true. Same thing is currently happening with PLD, needs higher gear to do the same thing the other tanks can do with lower gear. I don't think 3.0 PLD = 2.0 WAR, though - non-existant mitigation is a bit more of a problem than slightly falling behind the DPS curve. That said, PLD still needs changes and I hope that the ones coming in 3.1 will bring the job up to par.

Higher iLv is not really something you want to have to resort to though.

PLDs problems aren't as bad but the competition is more fierce with DRK available now, also where WAR had one crippling disadvantage PLD has a wide array of smaller ones.

I really wish the DEVs would open up about how they test, they showed a blog image right around the release of 2.0 where they were testing T2, in full allagan gear and weapons, I hope their policy is to test at the minimum iLv for entry because as a lot of people have stated here, imbalance is felt a lot less in overgeared scenarios but most of the serious content is done when you are not overgeared and imbalance is felt a lot more.

So for the Nth time I am going to please ask a community mod or Dev to put themselves forward and have discussion rather than us have this one way dialogue through interviews. :/

Edit: I went into 2.0 WAR main and 3.0 PLD main. I sure know how to pick em :3

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Originally Posted by ArdorGrey

Yes pld needs tweaks. But don't be goddamn babies just because you don't have a monopoly on the primary tank slot in all parties now.

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We don't want a monopoly on the primary tank slot though. We just want to be reasonably competitive.

for people here saying that WAR wasn't salty, you guys obviously missed the tsunami at 2.0, and apparently also missed the small maelstrom of DRK at the beginning of 3.0...

I'm glad to see a response at least it means they have been reading, but knowing them I'm expecting this super small change that will be barely noticeable and just call it a day. Like people said here, It's not right to say pld are fine when they have to wait an entire month and not only pld but they raid party to compensate for having a pld on their group.

I also fail to understand how a great sword can mitigate more magic than a shield, anyways I don't care when the changes are coming as long as they are coming idk why people are complaining about the time, in fact we should be happy we finally getting some since we haven't really got any adjustments since 2.0-2.1.

let's see how it plans out, but I kinda have this vive that they really don't give to much of a @#$%^ and they just going to do....something not really that relevant... I just hope it's a change enough to make me want to have my PLD back since it kinda burns me that I spend so much eso on chest,hands,head and shield before my bias self finally understood that PLD isn't just what it was.

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Originally Posted by MeeYow

PLDs problems aren't as bad but the competition is more fierce with DRK available now

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Inability to clear content until weeks later where everyone is already geared up to off set the lack of natural ability the job has is just as bad, as from I am reading, that's what merited changes to WAR, the inability to clear endgame raids on a consistent basis until everyone else was geared up if at all.. It has nothing to do with competition at this point, but just the ability to actually clear something w/o holding your group back for weeks to months and being pigeon holed into another class that you don't like.

Honestly, no matter what they do to PLD, as long as PLD doesn't get any higher mitigation through additional traits for natural defense or cool downs, higher DPS to match WAR and DRK, some crazy utility that raid comps can't live w/o, or SE produce fights that revolve around consistent heavy damage to take advantage of our shield which would be bad game design as it would be the same as taking advantage of parry, WAR/DRK is going to win due to the higher damage output.

You can have too much DEF and Curing. That limit has always been if you can live through the strongest attack and a hit or two after, you're good. Any more DEF or Curing after that is a waste. All tanks can live through predictable tank busters. If PLD mitigation for physical attacks were that great, a lot of groups would have started reincorporating them back in A3, where physical damage was present and consistent enough. They haven't.

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Originally Posted by Seku

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^ more clear impossible...

I think the developers wanted the Dark Knight class to be a success and that many people tried the new class to the end. Edit: job, not class.

This has made PLD in disadvantage right now for the difficult raids. It takes time to balance jobs and 3 jobs are probably more difficult to balance than 2. Warrior was in disadvantage for some time, and changes were made. Let's see what comes.