We want cleric stance

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Originally Posted by kensatsu

Stylink : 8 whm versus any other group can just lead to a draw
for pvp stuff you don't need only 110 piece on front, but you need 110 piece on wolfden (but it's dead)

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i use my 110 pvp gear on wolves den (only premade 4v4 parties otherwise it won't work), and i melded it with stun and heavy resist (will not pentameld because 15% was already a pain, 8% can only be worse).
On frontlines, i think spell speed and crit would be better, but i don't feel the need to make that "absolute BiS" since it will have an extremely small impact on whether or not my team wins.

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Originally Posted by Khonrath

Honestly, just give healers Cleric Stance and allow DPS to have heal debuffs if they don't already.

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that was my point, they do.

Interesting how the OP doesn't consider healers to be the "tanks" in pvp.

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Originally Posted by Domira

Interesting how the OP doesn't consider healers to be the "tanks" in pvp.

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Healers are tank-like because of the lack of heal debuffs put on them, diminished returns of CC, and PvP abilities allowing healers to take almost no-damage, and no interrupts for X amount of time. SE tried to give us PvP abilities, but they just didn't do it right.

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Originally Posted by Hollowed

They should have just gimped stacking the same jobs instead of the job itself. CS was not op with just 1-2 healers in a pt. Oh well.

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I really think Frontlines would be greatly improved if they enforced a Syrcus Tower group format on the parties. No parties without a healer, no parties stacking 4 scholars. Who knows what it would do to the queues though.

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Originally Posted by Yaltus

I really think Frontlines would be greatly improved if they enforced a Syrcus Tower group format on the parties. No parties without a healer, no parties stacking 4 scholars. Who knows what it would do to the queues though.

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They'll need to remove the GC restrictions and go back to fangs vs claws vs molars-something I would welcome as grand company restrictions add nothing from a gamplay perspective. I'd be all for party sorting as well. I get tired of falling into B allis with 3-4 tanks and no healers.

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Originally Posted by Yaltus

I really think Frontlines would be greatly improved if they enforced a Syrcus Tower group format on the parties. No parties without a healer, no parties stacking 4 scholars. Who knows what it would do to the queues though.

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Not a fan of enforced parties for PvP....Keep it where it belongs....PvE!

I see Paladins cast some kind of immunity ability to make it out of range safely all the time. I see Dragoons casting some kind of heal to survive the focus of multiple DPS'. Given that... White Mages not having Cleric stance is just plain dumb.

I'd like to remove the GC restrictions from Frontlines too for some faster Q times. I'm not in favor of class restrictions though. People should be able to change to help group dynamics.

My main is the SCH, and when CS was up I really loved FL, cause you really could do anything, support, heal, DPS and you would be the tank too.
My point of view:
- Healers with CS in frontlines are more motivated to play it even if the focus fire is almost always on them
- Healers with CS are not rare that forgot to remove it before heal, or put it up in the wrong moment, and it could really kill them.
- Healers with CS as it is in PvE are OP, if you use Bio on someone as SCH with CS it is more powerful than a SMN Bio, it could work for PvE, cause u have to heal A PARTY, but you was able to kill even 3 players alone as SCH.

In my opinion the CS removal was really a lazy crap (in my opinion) because doing the healer in FL is not so exciting as before, but I have no doubt that it shoulded be adjusted.
Some "ideal" fix up to me woulded be for example:
- CS cooldown in PvP rose to 12-20 sec
- When in CS lustrate heal only 12.5% of total HP
- When in CS Holy get a 5sec cooldown
- For each healer after the 2nd, all your healer get a 10% nerf to their MIND
- Remove the 10% buff to the INT while in CS, and maybe give also a 10% nerf to it.

A lot of things could be done instead of it mantaining a skill that effective is part to healer role in FFXIV :/
Also I think that some nerf make sense in FL, but really not in WD, and Cleric Stance in WD didn't break any balance.