How would you break it to someone that their DPS is awful?

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Originally Posted by AlexionSkylark

First of all, can you pinpoint if the DPS in question is being "awful" or just undergeared?
Also, can you pinpoint if he's undergeared in an absolute sense, or he's just less geared than the other DPS in the group?

Those are pretty important questions to ask yourself before branding someone as "awful".

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-The person is using an Animus weapon.
-They are over i100 overall.
-They meet the accuracy cap.
-The person is doing less damage than our comparably geared tank in Defiance. <- chief concern

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

-The person is using an Animus weapon.
-They are over i100 overall.
-They meet the accuracy cap.
-The person is doing less damage than our comparably geared tank in Defiance. <- chief concern

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

Yes, it's bad.

http://i.imgur.com/TSRsrnc.png
(T9, up to golem phase, no deaths until wipe)

We are trying a workaround with them OTing with DPS accessories. It was a last-minute change though, so no real practice with that strategy yet. (Though, the few runs we did have with it turned out a bit better than when they were DPS.)

But a workaround is still a workaround. I want to help them get better with their DPS class. They even went through the trouble of getting an Animus relic for the job, so it'd be a shame for that effort to go to waste.

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Well the only way you know this is parsing. Which has nothing to do with enmity bar. Be careful or you will get banned, it should be personal info not to point out how bad someone is doing.
If you all know each other talk over TS type program and everyone is using parser to improve them self fine. ALSO this is EndGame Raid t9 and if it's a static it's a different issue again.
Talk to the leader and have the weak link kicked from the static and replace. You all have a common goal and this person is holding you back. There are dummies to try stuff out show them one.

DPS should always be viewed in a line graph.

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Originally Posted by CrystalRainbow

Well the only way you know this is parsing which now has nothing to do with enmity bar. be careful.

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There is no need to parse people on the DF or PF. It will be obvious if they don't know what they are doing. If it is your static and raid group, you already know what to do with your friends. It is none of your business to dictate to newbies, newer players, and complete strangers what they must parse. Not only that, they can report you for abusing a parser and rightly so.

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Originally Posted by CrystalRainbow

Well the only way you know this is parsing which now has nothing to do with enmity bar. be careful.

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The impact of the low DPS can be felt in the way the fight is progressing. Enmity generated is abysmal and does not budge from #8 at any given time, save for during the wiping process. Parsing confirms suspicions.
As for caution, I'm not the only PC player in our group, so therefore I am not necessarily the origin of these results.

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-The person is using an Animus weapon.

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Are the other DPS players with a Novus?

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-They are over i100 overall.

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100 and? A i115 player deals a FUCKTON more dmg than an i102...

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-They meet the accuracy cap.

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They are above i100, so that's a given

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-The person is doing less damage than our comparably geared tank in Defiance

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Warrior tanks can do a pretty good dmg AFAIK. Can you post the iLvls of the player in question, the other DPSses and the tank?

This is definitely something I struggle with as well. From learning about all the classes and knowing the max potential of each one based on gear, it makes it hard to contain yourself when you see a baddie.

Not to the degree of, hey you're only doing 380 DPS and you should be 410, but 100-150 DPS below par.
I find those are the hardest to approach. Not talking about DF/Dungeons cause who cares about that, but in actual endgame content.

I dunno about you guys, but what I do is talk to them like they're 10 yrs old, or like some dude in a commercial

"Hey dude, wanna know how to PEW PEW HARDER LIKE A REAL MAN!? Then try this! <insert something useful to improve his dps here>

Now your pew pew pew, will become pew PEW PEW

*results may vary*

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

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It is obvious they are not playing their job correctly. If you can't out dps your tank, its a fundamental issue.

At some point you are going to have to bite the bullet and tell them their DPS #s. The only thing I can suggest that might soften the blow is to spend some time with them with your parser (or whomever you know with a parser), and give them feedback as they try new rotations.

"Hey man, you are super cool, we get along great and we value you as a tank. We definitely don't want to have to do anything like let you go, but we need to put in some work to get your DPS higher. We are just going to be spinning wheels on this fight until we can fix that."

My only concern with this topic is that a RELATIVE measure is being used to attribute ABSOLUTE value.

Again, if I'm i102 but every other DPS in my group is i115+ I'm gonna deal a lot less DPS than everybody, and that doesn't make me an awful player.