Cash shops: Whats wrong with you?

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Originally Posted by Rose_Vilehart

We are both on balmung i dont see these server problems you are speaking about also: you dont see a problem with cash shop, great! but so many other people do that if SE actually did it the game would probably die

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I don't think you're quite right, let me explain on a point-by-point basis.

First, the server issues. I have probably a 15% chance that my game will crash on teleport. Whether that is a server thing or a game glitch, I lack the credentials to say which is which. However, I do know that there are a number of folks on Balmung that I have run with, including myself personally, who has suffered from the dreaded 90k error and got booted from the game. That has happened to me a large number of times, and at least twice, I have been booted to the lobby, only to get hit with a 2001 lobby error as my game forcequits on me. Those are observations I've had, and I am aware that game experiences vary. But the fact of the matter is that the reason that we do not have private housing, and that GC housing is limited (and was stupid expensive at the start) is because the servers are not exactly optimal for handling housing and are in a dire need of upgrading. That I know for a fact because Yoshi has gone on record to say that multiple times.

Second, the cash shop. Like I said, as long as it's flooded with stuff that doesn't increase stats or unlock dungeons, quests, and other related content, then I think a cash shop is fine. Who does it hurt when people can buy Fantasias? Or if there are exclusive sets of Level 50 "All Classes" gear with zero stats on it. Like, say... a SOLDIER 1st Class set that makes a character dress up like Cloud from FFVII or something. I just don't see how that's necessarily gamebreaking other than for bitter immersion-purists who spend their off-RP hours whining about people with Lightning hair.

I'm just trying to understand your point of view while trying to get you to understand mine, that's all.

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Originally Posted by Deifact

It's MY thread now! MUAHAHAHA *pees on everything*

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This is why we can't have nice things >_<

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

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Yeah the server thing is probably just you, i dont have those problems and i just talked to everyone in my fairly large FC nobody else has any problems with the server either.

Paying extra money for content that should already be in our SUB BASED mmo is just no
that and again, im seriously going all in and saying if they included a cash shop SE would lose over half thier sub base
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@Karnyboy
and we cant have those in game for free because?
you just want to spend money to feel special

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Originally Posted by Rose_Vilehart

Yeah the server thing is probably just you, i dont have those problems and i just talked to everyone in my fairly large FC nobody else has any problems with the server either.

Paying extra money for content that should already be in our SUB BASED mmo is just no
that and again, im seriously going all in and saying if they included a cash shop SE would lose over half thier sub base

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Well I respectfully disagree, so I guess we're not going to come to an understanding.

I just know that FFXIV needs better servers and I want to give money to them so they can get better servers, and other than maxing out my sub time whenever I can, a cash shop seems like the only way I can do that without being a millionaire and buying stock in the company. But that's my viewpoint. I don't agree with yours, but I'll respect it all the same.

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Originally Posted by Rose_Vilehart

Yeah the server thing is probably just you, i dont have those problems and i just talked to everyone in my fairly large FC nobody else has any problems with the server either.

Paying extra money for content that should already be in our SUB BASED mmo is just no
that and again, im seriously going all in and saying if they included a cash shop SE would lose over half thier sub base

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I think ultimately you're missing the point. Many of us who are pro-cash shop don't want it to be a requirement to play the game at its fullest. supporters of the CS ideal want it to be spice that adds flavor but not be something you HAVE to buy in to ever to play the game from 1-50 and onward.

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Originally Posted by Karnyboy

I think ultimately you're missing the point. Many of us who are pro-cash shop don't want it to be a requirement to play the game at its fullest. supporters of the CS ideal want it to be spice that adds flavor but not be something you HAVE to buy in to ever to play the game from 1-50 and onward.

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The irony is that there are F2P games out there with a cash shop that are NOT P2W. *Cough Rift cough*. They sell vanity items, stash space, gear and armor that are not top tier (think CT gear). These are exactly the items that pro cash shop players are advocating since they do not "break" the game and "something you HAVE to buy in to ever to play the game from 1-50 and onward." But think about it, why would I play FF14, a P2P game when I can play RIFT, a F2P game if I have to deal with a cash shop in both games. The obvious answer is that these additional benefits are covered under our subscription and any additional content they want to produce should be earned by players through quests or gameplay and not the cash shop.

Excuse me for being crude but instead of telling us how we should pander to cash shops, why don't you do yourself a favor by saving $12 monthly and go play a non P2W F2P game like rift since that is what you seem to be asking for.

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Originally Posted by skaterger

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Not gonna lie, but that sounds kinda mean-spirited and closed-minded. "If you want this feature in this game that I don't like, go play this other game that has that feature and stop bothering us with it." is all I'm hearing. Maybe you could explain it to me better in a reply if I'm not getting the message there, but I just don't see any legitimate downside to a non-P2W cash shop, especially when there are those of us who want to contribute to the game's success more than we already are.

And GW2 is basically the same as Rift, but they are two completely different games, just as FFXIV is different, play what you enjoy. If you are paying to play FFXIV now and enjoy it then what's the fuss about? Myself, you and everyone else would be playing GW2 or Rift because it's F2P if we enjoyed it, but we don't.

I will still support a CS in a game that P2P as long as my monthly sub doesn't have to include an additional XX dollars to remain relevant/competitive.



An example....imagine to unlock any iLvl 115 Weapons required a token that you could only get from a CS, that would be P2W.....that I cannot support.

I can support a CS with a potion that lets me change my race, etc, because I see it as a means to an end for people that created a character they originally had no intention of keeping but ended up wanting to keep it. It's not fair to them who may be hating to play just because of mere aesthetics, but it exists. So charge them $5.00 or whatever it may be, they'll either buy it or not. Where's the issue?

Add this to OP:

http://i.imgur.com/379ch.gif

People defending/asking for this are making me legitimately angry at this point, almost to the point where I hope they add a shop in so I can laugh and point at them when subs plummet. And then be sad that yet another awesome games has been destroyed by corporate greed.

I'll be leaving if a cash shop is added. Good luck to them if they implement one.