Doesn't it make more sense for Thaum. to have Raise/Rebirth II?

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Originally Posted by allenshu

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...azine-Aug.2011

Interview from Famitsu Connect-On Magazine on Aug 2011

時期については明言できないが、特定の二つのクラスを一定ランクまであげると取得できる、複合ジョブも用意する。たとえば、幻術士と呪術士を両方育てると赤魔導士といった展開もあり得る。
Although the time is unknown, they are planning to have "combined job" which is obtained by two specified class over specified rank. For example, CON + THM = Red Mage.

将来的にジョブだけなく、"クラス"自体も増やす予定でいる。
In the future, not only jobs but also classes will be expanded.

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That's fine, but as I read it jobs will also limit what abilities you can use in attempt for a more class-specific role. It's like putting a filter on. For example: say Conjurer gets Black Mage. You won't necessarily be able to use the spells you mentioned in your previous post on conjurer, because they want to limit that sort of thing. Right now, you can do the mixing and matching, and I would think there will still be a bit of that with a job, but they made it sound like jobs are ways to stream-line the classes even further after already altering abilities and such on each class, which they are doing now.

Right now they have made it seem you will be ranking up a single class for a single job and not necessarily to 50. Also if they have jobs that require levels in several classes, that filter is still going to not let you put on all those abilities for your 'ideal' build because it's suppose to stream line what you're playing. In the end it will just depend on what sort of role you want to be cast into that determines what classes you rank up. You won't have to do all of them unless you want the flexibility of switching between jobs.

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While I can't offer too many new details, another thing I wanted to clarify about the upcoming job system; jobs won't be unlocked at rank 50, but when leveling a class up and it hits a certain rank you'll be able to unlock the related job.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...734#post186734

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Originally Posted by Naylia

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...734#post186734

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That's what I thought I read somewhere. =p

and Jobs don't have ranks or levels....the only ranks/levels are tied to Disciplines.

and saying "having two classes over a specified rank"...doesn't have the same meaning as two rank 50s. Rectangle vs Sqaure...

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Originally Posted by Naylia

and Jobs don't have ranks or levels....the only ranks/levels are tied to Disciplines.

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Yep pretty much, which is why Class Rank = Job rank.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Yep pretty much, which is why Class Rank = Job rank.

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No...which is why the word rank or level should pretty much never be prefaced by "Job". I understand that there are many on the forums that consume lots of information about the game on a daily basis, and would understand the connection you are making. But this type of stuff just confuses the casual observers/players/reader.

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

Right now they have made it seem you will be ranking up a single class for a single job and not necessarily to 50. Also if they have jobs that require levels in several classes, that filter is still going to not let you put on all those abilities for your 'ideal' build because it's suppose to stream line what you're playing. In the end it will just depend on what sort of role you want to be cast into that determines what classes you rank up. You won't have to do all of them unless you want the flexibility of switching between jobs.

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Correct.

Players can still play as classes in the future, which means classes are not replaced by jobs. Therefore, if you want flexibility, you can stay with classes without problems. On the other hand, if you want specific expert actions or equipments, you may need to put the job title on to be allowed to use those. This is why SE said, players can use classes in small party for daily leves or SP-gain purposes. For big events or fighting HNM, players will need full party and expert jobs to handle more difficult battles and situations.

Like I said, based on the released info, this class/job concept is essentially the same with what we have now. What SE doing is just give more hints to let players know what roles/jobs they can be based on the classes by setting some bonus and limitations corresponding to specific roles/jobs.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Yes, it does make more sense OP. Unfortunately, it isn't our call though.

THM are basically priests. Granted they are much darker than we would ever expect a WHM to be, however they are the ones who preside over life and death, dark and light, not Conjurers. Even the name Thaumaturge means miracle worker. The definition of miracle: A surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is considered to be divine. Conjurer, on the other hand, means sorcerer.

These changes to raise make it almost certain CON is going to end up the WHM archetype since it wouldn't be very logical to add these raise spells only to remove them when the job changes go through in a later patch. If this is true, I don't agree with the decision but it is their game. They can do what they want. I just hope they move all the elemental spells over to THMs so they aren't cross classing their main skills from CON just to make BLM work.

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And there lies the key problem with Conjurer White Mages. In such a scenario, who is going to be the Black Mage?? Thaumaturge, in both abilities and lore, has no connection to elemental spirits, philosophy, or magic.

So the Development Team would have to move all elemental spells (and their new AoE variants) from Conjurers and the Conjury Guild to Thaumaturges and the Thaumaturgy Guild. That's 33 spells and abilities!! :eek:

And that just system mechanics. The development Team would then have to explain why the Conjurers lost all their elemental powers, while the Thaumaturges gained them.

Still, if the Development Team went ahead with this, I would personally like to to see something along the lines of the Thaumaturge Guild stealing some artifact (e.g. the Starheart) that gave the Conjury Guild power over the elements, thus depriving conjurers of their elemental abilities and gaining it for themselves. Or that the Conjury Guild's pacts with the elemental spirits expired and the Thaumaturge Guild was able to sign a pact with them before the Conjury Guild had a chance to renew. The Thaumaturge Guild is all about shady dealing and contracts, so I wouldn't put either scenario past them.

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