Monk should be more rewarding

I dont feel the issue is DRG vs MNK, when you could just bring both. The issue is the unwillingness of the community on NA servers to bring more than 1 melee for more or less no reason from a tactical standpoint. Outside of rare encounters like T4, where you are encouraged to bring 2 mages, there is no reason to stack 3 ranged.

Surely you want a bard in everything but i dont see why you would need 2 mages or a second bard. Even the DF prioritizes the groups to have an even split of ranged and melee dps.

Hello my fellow Mnks and drg, I have thought about this topic and I think I found a solution to ease the pain of Mnks dps vs drg.

Drop PB ability and make that passive to when we gain GL3. So when we hit GL3 we go in a fOrm of PB, and while under PB we can Dk Twin to keep buff debuff, spam boot and true from rear for heavy dmg and the occasional SP to refresh GL3 so we can keep PB. I think this will solve the problem

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Originally Posted by TrivariumOri

Isn't that what you use perfect balance for, if you know there is a forced GL drop wouldn't you save perfect balance to regain the stacks and keep the dps up?

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Long cooldown. For example, when you use it to open on Titan, it's not back up in time for the Heart transition. In the example of Ifrit, there's no way you'll have it after every time he does the dashes.

It is indeed good for that purpose, but strictly limited. If they reduced the cooldown on PB, I think even that might go a long way.

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Originally Posted by ChaozK

I dont feel the issue is DRG vs MNK, when you could just bring both. The issue is the unwillingness of the community on NA servers to bring more than 1 melee for more or less no reason from a tactical standpoint. Outside of rare encounters like T4, where you are encouraged to bring 2 mages, there is no reason to stack 3 ranged.

Surely you want a bard in everything but i dont see why you would need 2 mages or a second bard. Even the DF prioritizes the groups to have an even split of ranged and melee dps.

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This is true to a certain degree. I agree that the most sensible setup is PLD, WAR, WHM, SCH, DRG, MNK, BRD, BLM/SMN. That said, a lot of content in game doesn't quite lend itself to such a setup. Looking at how the jobs are balance now, it feels like the devs had that above type of team balance in mind, but at the same time they design content that promotes different setups.

I concede, however, that what you're saying is a strong contributor to the observed imbalance.

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Originally Posted by Butcherboy

Hello my fellow Mnks and drg, I have thought about this topic and I think I found a solution to ease the pain of Mnks dps vs drg.

Drop PB ability and make that passive to when we gain GL3. So when we hit GL3 we go in a fOrm of PB, and while under PB we can Dk Twin to keep buff debuff, spam boot and true from rear for heavy dmg and the occasional SP to refresh GL3 so we can keep PB. I think this will solve the problem

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Very heavy-handed here. That would make MNK OP in a flash. A simple drop in PB cooldown would be sufficient so that MNK's are able to regain GL3 more frequently.

Well since Yoshi-P said FFXIV is an "Casual mmorpg" (lol), I agree on making GL last for 15-18 Secs and reduce the CD of Perfect Balance.

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Originally Posted by ChaozK

i dont see why you would need 2 mages or a second bard. Even the DF prioritizes the groups to have an even split of ranged and melee dps.

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2BRD = Requiem (almost) all the time + songs when needed. 1 BRD = Requiem sometimes and they need to keep an eye on their mana. 2BRD = easy silence for T2. 2 BRD = easy mobility. And since BRD is the easiest class to play, 2BRD = usualy less fails.
BLM/SMN and BLM/SMN = requiem more efficient. SMN = mana song even more efficient. SMN = one more pet for T5. 2BLM = sure slow against knights on T5. BLM/SMN and BLM/SMN = better AOE's.

I don't see why you would need 2 melees when you can clear he game easier with more rangeds. Don't get me wrong, we are raiding with a MNK AND a DRG, but some fights are just way easier without any melee. Garuda EX ? Chirada can live. Titan EX ? No danger of having a plume not stacked. Ifrit EX ? No need to put more pressure on the healers when they have to switch during nails.

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Originally Posted by Vactus

Cause that's a good counter argument.

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Cause saying "Cause thats a good counter argument" is a good argument.

usually before someone say such claims, they usually have excellent knowledge to what their talking about

Thats just plain being ignorant (what you did) since from what Im seeing you have no monk as of the moment thus no foundation for your argument since you have if not none, close to no experienced and/or if not little, no knowledge of the job.

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Originally Posted by Vactus

MNK is the single target kings of DPS. They can solo silence T1 and T2. MNK and DRG have to worry about the same things as melee classes.

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Just further proves of your lack of knowledge of the job so do yourself a favor and just stop to avoid further embarassment.

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Originally Posted by Bloopan

Just further proves of your lack of knowledge of the job so do yourself a favor and just stop to avoid further embarassment.

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I think he only meant monks with solo silence and it does work just fine so I don't really understand whats so embarrassing in what he said.
I do it all the time and do only calls when something went wrong and someone else has to silence ADS.
Even then you can always PB to get that silence off.

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Originally Posted by Atreides

I think he only meant monks with solo silence and it does work just fine so I don't really understand whats so embarrassing in what he said.
I do it all the time and do only calls when something went wrong and someone else has to silence ADS.
Even then you can always PB to get that silence off.

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You have a Ferrari and you want to ride it like a Ford?

Wait...there's one big reason to bring a MNK to T1/T2, which allows you to use "unconventional" parties (3 casters, 2 WAR, etc) and and puts a limit on the power of the BRD and you guys are complaining about it?

So its not rewarding to be the key person in a party in those two turns?

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Originally Posted by Misake

You have a Ferrari and you want to ride it like a Ford?

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No, I fly a SR-71 Blackbird but care about the environment, can't be crushing into an airplane just because I care about the numbers on the speedmeter right?
If DPS is required I go all out, but ADS really?!
There are times you have to drop your epeen meter and do something else, besides I find it way more fun and engaging to watch for something else than my damage once in a while.