2.1 Steel Cyclone, Not Enough

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

IMO adding more to the buffs that have already been presented may not be a good idea right now and such changes may be warranted after the updates in 2.1 come out and people can actually see for themselves where that leaves WAR.

With how much contention there already is surrounding whether or not the changes will result in the classes being balanced, I don't think that now is the best time to ask for more.

I could get behind there being some additional tweaks, changes or buffs to WAR, however for such to be considered I think it only fair to then consider also doing the same for PLD.

For example if you want to improve Steel Cyclone because you don't feel that it is as good as or as useful overall as some of the other WAR combo abilities, that is fine and is a sensible request, but then PLD should have something done to Riot Blade to make it better and more useful to PLD since running out of MP pretty much only happens when spamming Flash.

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That's all well and good if we were talking about balances between WAR and PLD but this is between the attractiveness of a single target ability (Inner Beast) vs. an Area of Effect ability (Steel Cyclone) during situations where you are fighting multiple enemies. It is also about knocking up the attractiveness of 2 rather bland abilities.

*Edit* Snip TouchandFeel being a stand up guy.

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

I get that, hence why I referred to such a request as being sensible. My point was that wanting such changes at this juncture is fine, but that you should then also be open to others that also want such changes done to their class.

While I know my response wasn't 100% on topic, I felt it was worth saying.

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Alright yeah, there are quite a few things I would like to see done to PLD (Shield Swipe/only one real combo/bland AoE rotation/Tempered will/oddly long CD on Bulwark/more action from our sheilds).

I just want to avoid this turning into another PLD vs 2.1 WAR debate.

If they nerf Inner Beast as well, sure.

Drop Inner Beast from 20% DR to 10% DR and add 1% DR per target up to a maximum of 5% on Steel Cyclone.

As it stands PLD isn't as good as WAR. Stop trying to make them even better than they are going ot be.

I have deleted my previous responses in an attempt to be respectful, something we should all try to be.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

As it stands PLD isn't as good as WAR. Stop trying to make them even better than they are going ot be.

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I'm sorry that you are misinformed. Please look more into 2.1 abilities and maybe check out some Theorycraft being done on them. Also please bring forth evidence of your claims, as I see none.

After all that, being brought forth in another thread with your topic at hand, what you are saying may be considered.

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

I have deleted my previous responses in an attempt to be respectful, something we should all try to be.

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All good Touch. Much respect for doing so. <3 Sorry if I was overly rude to you earlier.

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Originally Posted by Traek

I'm sorry that you are misinformed. Please look more into 2.1 abilities and maybe check out some Theorycraft being done on them. Also please bring forth evidence of your claims, as I see none.

After all that, being brought forth in another thread with your topic at hand, what you are saying may be considered.

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Only difference between the two is the 5% in Effective Healing, which is made up by their vastly superior mitigation abilities and their smaller, but constant self-heals. Though we won't know the difference until they release how much Storm's Path mitigates.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

Only difference between the two is the 5% in Effective Healing, which is made up by their vastly superior mitigation abilities and their smaller, but constant self-heals. Though we won't know the difference until they release how much Storm's Path mitigates.

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Again, your gripes and side discussion isn't for this thread. This is a discussion on Steel Cyclone, and its usefulness come 2.1. Current discussion brings it in line with SE's planned changes for IB, and none more. If you find other balance issues with Warrior 2.1 buffs, go discuss them in threads made for such talking points. This isn't a PLD vs. WAR thread, it is a discussion on Warrior abilities.

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

I have deleted my previous responses in an attempt to be respectful, something we should all try to be.

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Since the announcement and subsequent discussions concerning the upcoming patch, you've been constantly respectful and polite. Thanks for being awesome.

OT: I kind of like Paikis' suggestion. It is a bit strange to use an AoE ability against a single target, but I'm up for anything that helps make Steel Cyclone see more frequent use. I'm hesitant in asking for anything more right now though. We're already getting some huge improvements and they've only got so many resources etc.

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Originally Posted by Marleytiva

OT: I kind of like Paikis' suggestion. It is a bit strange to use an AoE ability against a single target, but I'm up for anything that helps make Steel Cyclone see more frequent use. I'm hesitant in asking for anything more right now though. We're already getting some huge improvements and they've only got so many resources etc.

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You are hesitant to ask for more, but Paikis' suggestion asks for best of both worlds doesn't it? Good heal when you want it (OP low end content) and 20% DR we are asking for with 2.1 change. This would just lead to picking and choosing for best content. Which would be SC on most BC content, and Self heal for low end content where you can basically solo bosses. I like the idea of normalizing things a bit more, and as I said above, making SC effective AoE like IB is for ST isn't asking for *more* in mitigation sense. It is asking for the same thing, while making SC viable. I guess I concede we are asking for 1 GCD less for the 20% DR.. Trolol