SE should charge an extra subscription to keep using Sleipnir, say an extra £3 a month otherwise his button becomes grayed out. Then you guys could really show how much you're willing to support SE in this apparent dire time of financial need.
Something something read the ToS.
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10-30-2014, 04:03 AMJandor
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10-30-2014, 04:06 AMCeol
Would have liked the minions to be account-wide.
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10-30-2014, 04:12 AMMenchiConsidering we were had a number of the major NPCs obtainable in game for no extra cash price before this cash shop idea happened, I'm pretty certain they would have eventually existed too. That isn't "baseless speculation" it is based on the continual implementation of more NPC mounts... Cash shop reared it's horrible, disgusting head, and now things that SHOULD and WOULD be in game, are now cash shop exclusive, and will remain so, as apparently, enough people are happy to pay EXTRA for things that should be in game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellisin
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10-30-2014, 04:19 AMShadex
If Square is willing to take a hit on player base because they feel that they will make more on cash shop sales than subs lost it proves that they don't give two sniffs about us as players. All we are is money dispensers. Are they a company out to make a profit? Sure. But when you are a company where money is all that matters don't expect loyalty from your customers. In today's saturated MMO market that mentality can be deadly.
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10-30-2014, 07:02 AMFellisinWell done on completely missing the point. Sure mounts/minions were added before the cash shop. I never disputed that. They will still be added alongside the cash shop. As was evident by new minions & mount in 2.4 patch alongside the cash shop optionals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Menchi
No it is baseless speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Menchi
You do not know what would or should of been in the game. But if a mount/minion was developed for the cash shop, there is no guarantee that mount/minion would of ever appeared in the game with out the cash shop existence. It certainly wouldn't if the driving factor for it development was the cash shop in the first place. -
10-30-2014, 08:56 AMStarlordSo, how about those F2P games that give you access to the game? And some F2P you can get by without buying anything. I honestly think what we pay is more than just the servers. We pay them for their paychecks/servers/funds for the game. Funds for the game is key here, as if we didn't pay them there wouldn't be content ( or a FFXIV for that matter).Quote:
Originally Posted by Damane
So I think what we pay them for is more than just " Accessing the servers", or else we should pay F2P games to access their servers as well (but we don't). -
10-30-2014, 10:13 AMErBear^ I'm shocked starlord, really am. Probably the most logical thing in this thread +1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
There is not justification for a cash shop item when they are getting at least a million subs a month. So lets say that they have a million subs at $10 a month. That's at least 10 million dollars a month, what more do they need from this game unless they are preparing it to go f2p. -
10-30-2014, 10:36 AMStarlordLOL, I am only stating what I feel is just. We may not agree on alot of things, but this is one thing that will bug me ( I won't quit over it nor will I use the cash shop) but it will still bug me :/. I am a huge SE fan and even I can see double dipping when I see it. As loyal of a fan as I am, this is one thing I won't sit here and say " This can be a good thing". Cash Shop in a P2P environment is just wrong and completely greedy/double dipping.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErBear
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10-30-2014, 10:47 AMpolyphonicaWell, first of all we don't actually know how many concurrent subscriptions they have right now, but that aside, we also can't see their costs. To have a game with major quarterly updates released simultaneously in 5 languages is not cheap, not to mention the on-going service costs, taxes, and administration expenses. As a start, let's say they're paying 500 people at a cost of $80k USD/year average (cost to the business, not salary); that's over 3 million a month in employee costs alone (and they probably need even more people than that to develop and release at this pace).Quote:
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10-30-2014, 11:41 AMHurlstone
Been surprise how little I have seen of the cash shop items in the world. Only one minion and mount during my Lancer FATE grindy. Browsing the shop in question, there is nothing that has yet caught my eye. Will be interesting to see just what vanity items they add in the future. I would like to see some glamor-based gear, perhaps not based on FF characters though...
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10-30-2014, 01:21 PMFyrebrand
There is not one single person who bought/subscribed to this game for "access to the servers only." You are here for gameplay and content. If you had no expectations of anything but basic access to the servers, you would not even be here.
You know what they should do? Advertise what our purchase/subscription money actually entitles us to, according to the Terms of Service, right on the back of the box:
* Experience unprecedented access to all the servers, in true HD! Gilgamesh, Faerie, Balmung, Coerul, Excalibur... and more!! (More than one character per server costs extra)
* Create a character, choosing from any of 5 different races! (Warning: Actually playing character not included)
* Access cutting-edge game features, such as Installation, Update and Maintenance News, Cash Shop, and Forums!
It's funny, I distinctly remember seeing a bunch of trailers and promotional materials that shows things that very closely resembled game content. There were quests and stuff, story scenes, boss battles... But how can this be? Those things are game content, which no purchase or subscription can actually buy. How does one obtain those things? They look cool. Do I have to buy something else, to get Terms of Service that entitles me to play a game?
There's all this talk of new dungeons, rogue/ninja class, Hildibrand... how are people able to play these things!? They aren't in the Terms of Service!!! -
10-30-2014, 02:09 PMtocsinYour original Purchase price bought you that. you know, that 30-40 dollars you paid up front, before even starting to subscribe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fyrebrand
and agreed. SE provides us with a lot more content for no added cost than we are entitled to. The Ninja job and all of the new content after 2.0 could have, and perhaps should have cost us extra money. It would be good business.
also, please don't tell me what I did or did not purchase the game for. I purchased the game to access the servers that my IRL friends were on, in order to socialize with them in a more cost efficient way. whatever content there is, has been only a bonus to my social experience. -
10-30-2014, 02:34 PMpolyphonica
In the end, this whole thing basically amounts to a subscription price increase. But, rather than just saying "we're going to raise everyone's subscriptions by $5/mo. to cover our steep on-going development costs and the infrastructure improvements we need", they've chosen instead to add more optional services so that people who want the extra things pay and everyone else continues to pay the old rate. It's basically just a different way of raising the extra funds (i.e. usage fees vs. tax).
The issue basically comes down to whether you believe the funds raised are going to go directly back into the game, as they pledged, or whether you think it's purely to line some shareholder's pocketbook. Since we don't really have the numbers or know the true costs, we can't really know. People have a view that "my $15 should be enough to cover everything", but that's the price that Blizzard set 10 years ago when WoW launched, and even they added an optional item cash shop since then.
Obviously it makes sense that customers complain about price increases no matter what form, but it's probably true that this way of masking it causes less waves than a global subscription price increase would. We'll have to wait and see if the game on the whole reaps the benefits of the added funds. -
10-30-2014, 05:27 PMMjollnir
Fair point, though if I'd wanted the Blizzard experience, I would have subscribed to WoW.
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10-30-2014, 05:43 PMHysterior
if one single mount is twenty dollars, how much the 2.4 expension goimg to be...?
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10-30-2014, 05:49 PMpolyphonicaI'd guess $39.95 or $79.95 for the CE with the action figure. I suppose they might have a digital deluxe too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hysterior
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10-30-2014, 06:01 PMXakery
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10-30-2014, 06:02 PMJandorAnd then another $40 to get all the stuff they took out of it to put in the cash shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by polyphonica
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10-30-2014, 06:03 PMtocsinHow many times can I upvote this?Quote:
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10-30-2014, 06:15 PMXakeryAs many times as you want!Quote:
Originally Posted by tocsin
There is so much butt hurt rage in this thread. If ya'll just beg your mommies to raise your allowance and hang out in your refrigerator to calm your tits, you'll be fine. Until then, I'm going to get water. It is so salty in this thread. -
10-30-2014, 06:19 PMpolyphonicaThat's basically what Digital Deluxe already is; it's an "Optional Item Purchase" before they had a shop for it, just like the physical goods, deluxe streams, and so on. But sure; no doubt they'll put an extra flying mount on there at some point. In the end, they still have to make sure that what's in the box is deemed worth it for people, optional shop or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jandor
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10-30-2014, 06:25 PMMitArgento
The tears are delicious, as long as they keep cash shop vanity only i couldn't care less and might even buy some stuff myself(like i already did)
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10-30-2014, 06:27 PMmaxthunder1
WOW just WOW 24.00 for that mount, holy crap man that thing better do a lot more than ride for that price. Seriously why on earth would anyone pay 24.00 for a damn mount talk about over priced garbage. I could spend 24.00 on physical goodies but seriously this is crazy actually anyone that purchases it has to be.
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10-30-2014, 06:30 PMXakeryhttp://i1137.photobucket.com/albums/...ps62abc4bf.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by maxthunder1
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10-30-2014, 06:38 PMmaxthunder1Sorry not butthurt, I just cant see why anyone in their right mind would pay that price for well garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xakery
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10-30-2014, 06:39 PMMitArgentoBecause they like it and have money to spend?Quote:
Originally Posted by maxthunder1
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10-30-2014, 06:45 PMmaxthunder1Or they are a fool and wish to waste their money, that would be the logical reasoning, but than again a fool and his money shall soon part.Quote:
Originally Posted by MitArgento
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10-30-2014, 06:49 PMtocsinOne mans trash is another mans treasure.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxthunder1
If I just spent like 6 months farming an awesome looking set of glamour gear, and sleipnir is the absolute perfect addition to it, yeah ill pay 24 dollars for it. That's less than two hours of work for me.
it wasn't, though, so I didn't buy it. I got my Direwolf, which is rarer on my server than sleipnir already. -
10-30-2014, 06:51 PMMitArgentoYou'd only be a fool if the money you spent was better spent elsewhere like food, healthcare, school, ect, but if said money is avaiable after spending on all necessary things, then you are allowed to use it on luxury stuff, stuff that isn't necessary, but you like and want, to be honest the more you talk, the more it seems you just don't have the money for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxthunder1
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10-30-2014, 07:22 PMMelinabean0
Personally, as it is now, I am okay with it. Would I rather not have to pay for the items? Well, yeah. I do have bills and such to pay. That being said though, when I'm calculating all my monthly costs, I don't even put in the $15 sub because, well, it's $15. If I really want something in particular, I may buy it as a little treat or something but I won't be rushing over anytime soon. (okay, I did rush to see if they had put a name change in...) If they start adding things like special hair styles, armor, housing items, mounts, and minions in mass quantities or boosts and the like, I would change my tune. But really, this patch came out with plenty of new minions you can get in game, and another mount as well. So far, the balance isn't out of whack. Is it pricey in percentage comparisons to what we pay for the sub or what we paid for the game? It is, but in the end, it's still not a whole lot of money individually.
I just wish we could all calm down here and stop throwing insults left and right because it's getting ridiculous. (Yes, I know this is the internet...) Opinions and debate are one thing, but most of these threads are not that. For me, the addition of a cash shop isn't exactly the start of the slippery slope, but I completely understand that for others who have experienced similar things in other games, it is. If this is your deal breaker, then that's fine. Watch from afar to see what happens if you want, or leave entirely. That is indeed up to you. Others still will embrace it. I will be continuing to wait and see myself as I enjoy the game as a whole. Just STAHP with all the rage towards each other. -
10-30-2014, 07:28 PMJandorAssuming you're right and he doesn't have the spare cash, him not being able to afford it and thinking you're an idiot for buying it aren't mutually exclusive.Quote:
Originally Posted by MitArgento
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10-30-2014, 07:31 PMtocsinI have a complaint, and that is that your wall of text was not nearly large enough of a wall. I was anticipating and excited for more.Quote:
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10-30-2014, 07:40 PMMelinabean0Well, In all honestly it seemed like more of a wall while I was writing it out. I apologize for the disappointment. My reply was more of a general reply to these cash shop threads since this would be the main section of it thus far. I did notice it derailed a bit ago, yet similar threads keep popping up and the same things keep being said over and over again, by the same people in some cases. It's just going nowhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by tocsin
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10-30-2014, 07:46 PMtocsinQuite agreed. I got out most of my frustration both for and against it in the first 300 pages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melinabean0
I remember my first post being in like page 5 of here, when it was first announced at fanfest. been keeping up with it and using my daily limit almost every day, so probably 100 of the posts here are mine!
I particularly enjoyed when we started calling SE a restaurant, and arguing over whether your sub was a plate, or a side of meat.
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10-30-2014, 08:00 PMMelinabean0Yeaah, I had considered writing earlier, but everyone was posting so quickly I couldn't sit down and write something before a bunch of other posts and points popped up. It was a bit hard to keep up at work, which is usually when I'm on the forums. But, seeing as it is still going, I thought I would throw my hat in.Quote:
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I did see part of that, but I feel like what I saw was something about a side of beans...Or maybe that was a different analogy... -
10-30-2014, 08:08 PMtocsinYeah, the original statement was that your sub paid for a meal, and they took away the side of beans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melinabean0
but then the point was made that the beans were not listed on the menu (ToS), and were a free addition, so they started charging a-la-carte for beans.
Then the counter point was that people missed the beans, because they were vegetarians.
Then countered with now you can buy beans, and not HAVE to eat the meat to get to them first.
Then I brought up that the plate of food was the original purchase, and the sub paid for your seat in the restaurant.
fun times, and then I went to the grocery store, bought 10 cans of beans, and donated them to charity so they could have cool mounts too. -
10-30-2014, 08:19 PMMelinabean0Ah, okay. I've been jumping in and out of these threads so thanks for the summary. Haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by tocsin
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10-30-2014, 08:27 PMmaxthunder1I got the cash, I just think that cash shops are a waste and those resources (dev team) could be put to better use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jandor
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10-30-2014, 08:40 PMAsieridLike the flying chocobo/mounts and numerous other armors which those team have and will be created? (Especially for the expansion)Quote:
Originally Posted by maxthunder1
It already is. A single mount and dated holiday armor (Some of which you can't even glamour) in the cash shop compared to the handful already in/coming is really pushing the limits of the money. Woo boy.
While the horse is long since dead and gone, you guys keep swinging away at the dirt. -
10-30-2014, 11:08 PMMjollnirActually, it's about ethics in gaming journalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by tocsin